whats a good season?

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Postby Stu the Red » Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:07 pm

For me I actually think its more about the money spent being proven to be right and getting good value, while shipping out the dead wood and finishing fourth.

I personally think if the likes of Can, Moreno, Markovic and Balotelli can show they were not wastes of money and we can grab fourth I'll be content.

Unfortunately the failure to release Mignolet, Skrtel, Johnson, Lucas and Borini, as well as releasing Agger and Reina for buttons, especially as both suit the system and are miles ahead in terms ability than what we have greatly grates on my nerves. Not to mention he then replaces Enrique with a kid who is naïve to the extreme.
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Postby RedAnt » Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:27 pm

I honestly think Mignolet could be a great GK, if coached correctly. He needs another 'keeper to learn from. Someone experienced and who'll retire when it's right for Migs to take the gloves.
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Postby Stu the Red » Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:42 pm

I disagree completely, the lad is completely dog average at best. He wouldn't be in my top 15 keepers in the league to be honest, is he a premier league keeper? Yes, he's however a very poor one at best for me.
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Postby Thinkpad » Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:55 am

The squad is decent and good enough to be challenging. Maybe just 2 players short.
If SAF is our manager we would be neck to neck with Chelsea.
As I have said, the software of the team is the problem.
BR tried to emulate Chelsea of 2013 with a devastatingly bad result.
This year Chelsea goes for the gusto. And Liverpool, plays defensive and play safe.
I guess last year's failure to win the EPL has an impact on BR.
Guess he blamed his open play tactics.. The same thing happened to Rafa.
But Rafa's change was due to a lost in a match.
Both didn't make the right decisions for the team after the setback.
Never look like challenging again.
So for me, the sign came early.
BR is probably not the manager that will get us the EPL title.
At least based on what I have been witnessing.
He still has the rest of this season to correct himself.
I will give him that and evaluate him again after.
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Postby Dundreamin is back » Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:16 am

To date if we finish in the top4 I would in my humble opinion call that a success
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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Thu Nov 06, 2014 9:53 am

Dundreamin is back » Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:16 am wrote:To date if we finish in the top4 I would in my humble opinion call that a success


I agree mate, qualifying for the CL 2 years on the bounce would constitute significant progress for us especially as we've recently spent 5 years out of the tournament.
There's a lot of competition for just 4 places in this country with at least 4 clubs with significantly more resources than us so to get back in the top 4 again would be a good achievement.
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Postby LFC1990 » Thu Nov 06, 2014 11:30 am

A good season - the Quadruple??

Excepted season - Top 4 with a few cup runs and getting out the CL group
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Postby Stu the Red » Thu Nov 06, 2014 2:03 pm

Interesting not one single person thinks that some of the money spent needs to be justified in any way… I think the likes of Moreno and Markovic have been shocking so far as well as some others and I can't believe some people are finding excuses for level of players brought in.

In all honesty, had I personally inherited a team that finished second and had one hundred and sixteen million to spend I would expect to do something
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Postby Kopite-Jud » Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:39 pm

Stu the Red » Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:03 pm wrote:Interesting not one single person thinks that some of the money spent needs to be justified in any way… I think the likes of Moreno and Markovic have been shocking so far as well as some others and I can't believe some people are finding excuses for level of players brought in.

In all honesty, had I personally inherited a team that finished second and had one hundred and sixteen million to spend I would expect to do something


Don't you think a top 4 finish would partially justify the money spent mate?

I believe he's blown the lot personally, having still playing the likes of Johnson / Skrtel / Mignolet is a travisty. I'd be more forgiving if we finish top 4, but i just cannot see it.  I don't think we've strengthened where we needed to.

I'd be more than happy in the post Suarez era to finish top 4.

It would be interesting to know what the season plan / expectations is with John W Henry.

After finishing 2nd and giving him so much money, then surely, the minimum would be top 3 and a good CL run ? ?

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Postby The_Rock » Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:03 pm

From most of the replies, I can gather that getting 4th will be seen as a success. I concur too. It is imperative we get 4th.

The thing is I just can't see us getting 4th. The whole team seems to be in some kind of confused state. It seems they don't even know what they are supposed to do when they get on the pitch. There is just no teamwork at all.

And I don't think things will get better once sturridge is back. We didn't look all the convincing against Southampton and Man city. Even against Spurs there were moments where we defended horribly and could have conceded a goal or 2. Unless we go 2 up top (to give the opposition defence something to worry about) and shore up the midfield to protect the defence....I can see us dropping more points and finishing mid-table.

Our competitiors for 3rd & 4th.
1)Arsenal for all their problems, have bought extremely well this summer. Once Sanchez and Wellback really settle, I can't see them not getting top 4.

2)Manure despite their results, having been playing quite well. Di Maria is doing for them what Suarez did for us. You take him away from manure...and they look very average (This just shows why it is important to buy 1 quality player instead of 3 or 4 average players for that same price). Once they click...they could go on a run as they have some great attacking players who will get them goals no matter whom they play at defence.

3)Southampton ain't gonna drop that many points. They have bought well (and the ones they brought it are an upgrade over the ones they let go..........  (another learning point for the crappy transfer committee....when you buy a player make sure he is better than the one you are trying to replace). And they play as a team too with a manager who has coaching experience all over Europe.
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Postby Boocity » Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:27 pm

I dont think Southampton will last the pace, I reckon they will drop down to 7th or 8th in thes second half of the season. I think most of the top sides with the exception of Chelsea are all having a bit of a mare so top 4 is well within our grasp if we get our act together
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Postby red till i die!! » Thu Nov 06, 2014 9:04 pm

Boocity » Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:27 pm wrote:I dont think Southampton will last the pace, I reckon they will drop down to 7th or 8th in thes second half of the season. I think most of the top sides with the exception of Chelsea are all having a bit of a mare so top 4 is well within our grasp if we get our act together


I wouldn't write Southampton off mate. They are currently 8 pts off us and play Leicester next whereas we have Chelsea. By Tea time on Saturday we could be 11 behind them and given how we are playing its a big ask to draw that back. Confidence is a massive factor and they have gained plenty due to the position they find themselves in and they have absolutely nothing to lose. Koeman has done a fantastic job banding them together and replacing what had left in the summer.Their Defense is performing very well only conceeding half the amount of goals as the Chav's.  If he can keep that morale going along with avoiding crucial injuries to a few players then I'd say they will be in the mix for 4th. They have only one game a week and If he's training them right they should last the distance.

for me we will be in a dogfight for 4th along with the scum and southampton. Thats taking into account we buy a striker in january. Sturridge will be enough when we have him but hopefully the club won't be gambling on him remaining fit.

we have failed to deal with the extra games this season so the best situation for us is to at least make the Knockouts in the CL as then we will avoid the Europa league. If we get into that it will totally feck the schedule up as we will be playing on Thursdays and then catch up in the league. We could also face long trips   as well. Avoid that and i think we could really put a decent run of wins together before the pressure is really on to do so.
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Postby Fowler_E7 » Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:32 am

For me coming 4th is the bare minimum not a success, to come withing touching distance of winning the title and to then fail to qualify for the champions league after spending over 100mil would be a complete disgrace and probably a sack able offence. A good season would be getting around 75 points, knock out stages of the champions league and a domestic cup semi final and at least 4 of our new players finding there feet. The worst id be prepared to accept is scraping 4th place.
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Postby eds » Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:56 am

As I said at the start of the season, 4th is the minimum expectation on Rodgers this season. If we win a domestic cup even better.

I was skeptical seeing the "names" that he was bringing in and with the recent run of poor performances am even more skeptical.

In saying that he can still turn it around but needs to cut out a lot of the stuff that hasn't worked or put fans offside. No more wanky sound bites, no more playing Gerrard and Johnson in every game and try and at least introduce some of the newer players we have, so we know whether they will be good enough for next season. Also more importantly no more youngsters, bargain bin loans or free transfers lets try and get a world class player in January.

The problem is I don't have the confidence he will do any of this and will rely on Sturridge to get out us out of jail when he is back. Hoping I'm wrong and Rodgers starts showing us why he was bought in to manage this club.
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Postby stmichael » Fri Nov 07, 2014 12:08 pm

Stu the Red » Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:03 pm wrote:Interesting not one single person thinks that some of the money spent needs to be justified in any way… I think the likes of Moreno and Markovic have been shocking so far as well as some others and I can't believe some people are finding excuses for level of players brought in.

In all honesty, had I personally inherited a team that finished second and had one hundred and sixteen million to spend I would expect to do something


Moreno shocking? That's harsh. He's been far better than most of our defenders and has shown a lot of promise, especially going forward. He's only 20 aswell. As for Markovic, he's 20 and learning a new league whilst essentially playing out of position. He needs time. Only a year ago people were saying the same about Sterling (he's too lightweight, needs to be loaned out or sold etc).

We were in for Sanchez and he essentially turned us down for the "appeal" of London.
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