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Did you see Cissoko today ?

If they are both that good - why has their parent club allowed them to leave on loan.

Benny The Noon » Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:34 pm wrote:Did you see Cissoko today ?

If they are both that good - why has their parent club allowed them to leave on loan.

Is this an argument? Because Chelsea a CL team ,a legit candidate for an EPL title ,a filthy rich team decided on letting one of their players leave it means he is Krap? They almost let Mata go so what? And if he is that bad why not Sell ,probably they A. Estimate his talent and might want him back B. They placed a high price Tag which other's couldn't meet (why the high price tag? ask your contacts in London).
Same to Ali ,they might have a better player then him at the moment ,maybe he invited the boss daughter to dinner and forget to bring her back?

this isn't an argument. Why did Inter let Coutinho go? Some players don't fit certain systems ,some have fierce competitions from others ,some are shiite.

Trust what you see ,and from what i saw so far ,both at the minimum are good Squad players.

Cissoko had one season at Valencia and was poor last season there after being poor for a season at Lyon - he just wasn't good enough for them so have IMO let him go on loan in the hope of getting a fee at the end

Players go on loan for a couple reasons IMO - they are young and upcoming and need playing time and experience so go to club to gain that experience or they aren't good enough to get into their clubs first team so go on loan in the hope that someone will pay a fee for them.

Teams that get players on loan are normally mid table teams who are happy to take on players without the fee and not pay full wages. Teams that can't afford players over a certain wage or fee.

I don't believe we should a club that gets players on loan and the ones we have got so far IMO haven't improved us on the pitch.

Benny The Noon » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:20 pm wrote:By one of our own I mean - one of our own players and not another teams player.

Moses certainly IMO is offering nothing extra than we already had we both Downing and Sterling last season

Liverpool as a club shouldn't be bringing players on loan - and we have two of them. Even more two players who haven't improved us IMO

Moses "offering nothing extra" ?

Moses is currently being asked to play a role that

1, Doesn't suit his abilities
2, Is being employed in a role that Downing and Sterling were never asked or expected to fulfil.
3, By default the comparison is already redundant.

Liverpool as a club shouldn't be bringing players on loan

Why not ?

Downing was asked to play left back and that didn't seem to give him a get out clause.

Moses has also played in the wide area and not offered much as well there.

And loaning players is for mid table teams who can't afford the wages and transfer fees of the top players. If we can't but a player then we give one of our youngsters a go.

only me » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:45 pm wrote: Why did Inter let Coutinho go?

A clubs preparedness to let a player leave either permanently or on loan isn't always a true reflection of the players ability or unrealised potential

see Sturridge for further  example.

moses`s strength is running with the ball (and taking players on) where as a number 10`s role is threading cute passes through for the strikers. the phrase square pegs in round holes springs to mind, gerrard would have been a better option there.
moses is obviously being played out of position, hopefully coutinho will be back very soon.

woof woof ! » Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:21 pm wrote:

only me » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:45 pm wrote: Why did Inter let Coutinho go?

A clubs preparedness to let a player leave either permanently or on loan isn't always a true reflection of the players ability or unrealised potential

see Sturridge for further  example.

And every time a player leaves doesn't mean it's automatically the same situation as Coutinho

Moses leaving IMO is a true reflection.

Benny The Noon » Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:19 pm wrote:Downing was asked to play left back and that didn't seem to give him a get out clause.

Moses has also played in the wide area and not offered much as well there.

And loaning players is for mid table teams who can't afford the wages and transfer fees of the top players. If we can't but a player then we give one of our youngsters a go.

Downing, Left Back ? what game was that ?

Guess it was a one off and unmemorable which falls in line with most of his performances for our club.

Moses playing wide has offered just as much as Sterling or Downing ever have, but thats just my opinion.

woof woof ! » Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:27 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:19 pm wrote:Downing was asked to play left back and that didn't seem to give him a get out clause.

Moses has also played in the wide area and not offered much as well there.

And loaning players is for mid table teams who can't afford the wages and transfer fees of the top players. If we can't but a player then we give one of our youngsters a go.

Downing, Left Back ? what game was that ?

Guess it was a one off and unmemorable which falls in line with most of his performances for our club.

Moses playing wide has offered just as much as Sterling or Downing ever have, but thats just my opinion.

Downing a few times last season played at left back when Enrique was injured and was comfortable in the role

And if Moses has offered just as much as you say then why did we loan him if he is offering nothing more - surely we get players into the team to improve it not just offer as much ?

I actually think both offered (and Sterling offers )more than Moses but that's just my opinion

Benny The Noon » Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:27 pm wrote:

woof woof ! » Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:21 pm wrote:

only me » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:45 pm wrote: Why did Inter let Coutinho go?

A clubs preparedness to let a player leave either permanently or on loan isn't always a true reflection of the players ability or unrealised potential

see Sturridge for further  example.

And every time a player leaves doesn't mean it's automatically the same situation as Coutinho

Moses leaving IMO is a true reflection.

Well I guess we're all entitled to an opinion

On this issue, for what it's worth, my opinion of your opinion is



I'm now definitely bored.

woof woof ! » Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:36 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:27 pm wrote:

woof woof ! » Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:21 pm wrote:



A clubs preparedness to let a player leave either permanently or on loan isn't always a true reflection of the players ability or unrealised potential

see Sturridge for further  example.

And every time a player leaves doesn't mean it's automatically the same situation as Coutinho

Moses leaving IMO is a true reflection.

Well I guess we're all entitled to an opinion

On this issue, for what it's worth, my opinion of your opinion is



I'm now definitely bored.

Very much reciprocated Woof 

Benny The Noon » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:05 pm wrote:Yes Sterling is one of our own - a youngster that we develop into a quality player.

      Brilliant.

You mean a Sh*t young player we signed off Q.P.R. and is still Sh*t?

only me » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:29 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:20 pm wrote:By one of our own I mean - one of our own players and not another teams player.

Moses certainly IMO is offering nothing extra than we already had we both Downing and Sterling last season

Liverpool as a club shouldn't be bringing players on loan - and we have two of them. Even more two players who haven't improved us IMO

IMO you are wrong. Both Moses and Cissoko are excellent squad addition ,Ali IMO is better the Enrique and Moses is a legit sub.

Cissoko better than Enrique?

Are you on sniffing glue?

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:23 pm wrote:moses`s strength is running with the ball (and taking players on) where as a number 10`s role is threading cute passes through for the strikers. the phrase square pegs in round holes springs to mind, gerrard would have been a better option there.
moses is obviously being played out of position, hopefully coutinho will be back very soon.

Sorry but thats rubbish.

You don't have to have certain attributes to play in a number ten role (as you put it). There are many different ways you can perform that role. As I've said in earlier posts. Its a free role. There is nothing to stop him pulling wide and effectively spending the game out there if thats where he's best.

Steve McManaman played in exactly the same (starting position) that Moses has been playing in yet he was pretty good at it. Granted he was a completely different quality of player, but his strengths were exactly what you claim Moses's strengths to be.

You can play a target man in that role, a Rooney or Suarez style player, a Bergkamp type, or even the likes of Ozil, Arshavin, Aimar, Giggs, Zidane or any of the others you care to mention over the last fifteen years.

The point is, there is more than one way to play that role and Moses, due to a complete lack of quality is showing exactly how it shouldn't be done.