Kolo Toure

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Postby Thommo's perm » Wed May 29, 2013 11:02 am

devaney » Wed May 29, 2013 9:04 am wrote:
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killerp » Wed May 29, 2013 10:07 am wrote:Welcome aboard.

Good move from Rodgers, free transfer of an experienced CB, I'm happy with this deal. Toure will bring much needed experience to the backline. He'll do a job & provide a buffer zone allowing the long term replacement to settle in (Assuming we sign a decent young CB  :eyebrow )



plus 1  excellent move as we move in tranistion from Carra era to a new defence


This could easily turn out to be a Gary Mac type move and that turned out ok. Remember the pen against Barca. I was facing the wrong way on the Kop. What a night....


Judging by your comments you face the wrong way quite often...
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Postby maguskwt » Wed May 29, 2013 11:54 am

I don't think this signing alone can turn our defence around. But I guess as an experienced back up it's alright. My concern is his fitness and form. He hasn't played much in the past 2 seasons. And the fact that he has already won alto of trophies before, it seems like he comes to Liverpool as a retirement home...
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Postby aCe' » Wed May 29, 2013 2:15 pm

I have been agreeing with Benny a lot lately, which I find a little unsettling. Regardless, I am not quite sure what Kolo Toure is expected to add to the side at his age. I certainly wouldnt want him to be a starter, he quite simply is not good enough for that. I also wouldn't want him to be a replacement for Skrtel; a younger player who has performed at a higher standard than Toure over the past 3 or so seasons.

Any way you look at it, this move represents a step in the wrong direction as far as I'm concerned. As things stand, we have Skrtel, Agger, Coates and Toure as our main options at centerback. I think many of us were/are? hoping that a top quality players comes in to partner Agger and add a little more quality following Carra's retirement. If we do bring that player in, then new signing Toure automatically becomes 4th choice CB for us, which for me is a role best served by a young player with potential (Coates, Kelly ?)

Like I said, if we bring in Toure and subsequently lose Skrtel, that for me would be a bad move. But it seems that things are moving in that direction.
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Postby maguskwt » Wed May 29, 2013 3:35 pm

aCe' » Wed May 29, 2013 1:15 pm wrote:I have been agreeing with Benny a lot lately, which I find a little unsettling. Regardless, I am not quite sure what Kolo Toure is expected to add to the side at his age. I certainly wouldnt want him to be a starter, he quite simply is not good enough for that. I also wouldn't want him to be a replacement for Skrtel; a younger player who has performed at a higher standard than Toure over the past 3 or so seasons.

Any way you look at it, this move represents a step in the wrong direction as far as I'm concerned. As things stand, we have Skrtel, Agger, Coates and Toure as our main options at centerback. I think many of us were/are? hoping that a top quality players comes in to partner Agger and add a little more quality following Carra's retirement. If we do bring that player in, then new signing Toure automatically becomes 4th choice CB for us, which for me is a role best served by a young player with potential (Coates, Kelly ?)

Like I said, if we bring in Toure and subsequently lose Skrtel, that for me would be a bad move. But it seems that things are moving in that direction.


The concern shouldn't be his age though... because 32 is not that old for a central defender. The concern should be on the number of games he has played and his motivation...
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Postby Eagle » Wed May 29, 2013 3:44 pm

It's not even June yet. Toure isn't being viewed as a marquee summer signing of even as someone who will be a regular starter. It's a sensible start to what should hopefully be a very productive summer transfer window.
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Postby aCe' » Wed May 29, 2013 4:27 pm

maguskwt » Wed May 29, 2013 6:35 pm wrote:
aCe' » Wed May 29, 2013 1:15 pm wrote:I have been agreeing with Benny a lot lately, which I find a little unsettling. Regardless, I am not quite sure what Kolo Toure is expected to add to the side at his age. I certainly wouldnt want him to be a starter, he quite simply is not good enough for that. I also wouldn't want him to be a replacement for Skrtel; a younger player who has performed at a higher standard than Toure over the past 3 or so seasons.

Any way you look at it, this move represents a step in the wrong direction as far as I'm concerned. As things stand, we have Skrtel, Agger, Coates and Toure as our main options at centerback. I think many of us were/are? hoping that a top quality players comes in to partner Agger and add a little more quality following Carra's retirement. If we do bring that player in, then new signing Toure automatically becomes 4th choice CB for us, which for me is a role best served by a young player with potential (Coates, Kelly ?)

Like I said, if we bring in Toure and subsequently lose Skrtel, that for me would be a bad move. But it seems that things are moving in that direction.


The concern shouldn't be his age though... because 32 is not that old for a central defender. The concern should be on the number of games he has played and his motivation...


I agree with that. He has started 18 league games for a side who have a very limited number of 1st team CBs over the last 2 seasons, and that's not good enough. I also have concerns about his fitness and his motivation, but both are aspects that could be argued or worked on. 
The reason I emphasized his age is because (at 32) the signing goes against the club's strategy of signing young players with potential who could one day become starters if they develop fast enough.

The key point that I keep coming back to though is this,we have a limited number of scenarios that could take place with this signing being finalized. And every way you look at it, it doesn't look good. 

A) We take it as a given (and I know it's too early to suggest this) that the club will sign a top quality CB to partner Agger, then it comes down to a choice between Skrtel and Toure for that backup spot. Do people genuinely feel that selling Skrtel and replacing him with Toure would be a good move ?

B) In the unlikely scenario that Skrtel does stay, we add a top CB, and end up with NEW SIGNING, Skrtel, Agger, Toure, Coates. Would signing a player at the end of his career who is reportedly on 70K a week to become 4th choice CB ahead of a promising youngster (Coates, Kelly, Wisdom...take your pick) when we have a limited number of games next season be seen as a good move ?     

C) We decide to keep things as they are today. Not signing any other CBs and relying mainly on Skrtel and Agger as a CB pairing with Toure and a youngster as backup. Would that be an improvement on what we had this year ? Especially considering the fact that most fans think that reinforcing the position should be the club's top priority.

Personally, I'd keep Skrtel at the club even if we offered 15mill for him. I think he'd be very hard to replace and I worry about how our defense would look without Carra and Skrtel being there next season given the players we've been linked with.
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Postby woof woof ! » Wed May 29, 2013 4:56 pm

I wouldn't be against signing Toure. I'd look at it as somewhat similar to the signing of the big Greek fella Kyrigiakos who came in to plug the gap after Sammi's departure. We never expected him to be a signing for the "future" but while he was here he put in a decent shift.

I wouldn't be happy however if Toure was signed at the expense of Skrtel who despite his up's and downs imo still has a lot to offer.

As for Coates, I'm disappointed that as a club we haven't been able to help this lad develop in the premiership. He came to us with a more than good reputation and optimistic predictions for his future. It was only two years ago that he won the best young player award in the Copa America and yet since arriving at Liverpool after a couple of admittedly ropey performances it seems he's been consigned to the bin and allowed to stagnate. Sod's law, a few years down the line he'll be putting in some top performances for a club in La Liga .
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Postby crazyhorse » Wed May 29, 2013 7:53 pm

Benny The Noon » Tue May 28, 2013 5:53 pm wrote:Poor signing - our sights should be set higher than someone being released by a top team because he can't do a job at the top level anymore.

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Postby Benny The Noon » Wed May 29, 2013 7:55 pm

We bought Hyypia in his 20's - what's the connection with Toure ?

Gary Mac was still playing very well when we got him as a free - he is a one off as opposed to being the norm
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Postby RedHands » Wed May 29, 2013 10:13 pm

Really good value signing. He's miles better than skrtel. He's massive and great in the air so it will help us beat the likes of west ham, west brim, and stoke who just sit and hope to nick a goal off of a set piece.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Wed May 29, 2013 10:16 pm

You really think he is massive ?

He is actually shorter than Carra and every other CB we have and being aerial dominant has never been his forte !
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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed May 29, 2013 10:21 pm

Benny The Noon » Wed May 29, 2013 9:16 pm wrote:You really think he is massive ?

He is actually shorter than Carra and every other CB we have and being aerial dominant has never been his forte !


he is better than carragher, skrtel and agger in the air.
mind you thats not saying much, fvcking icarus on a hot day was better in the air than those 3
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Postby aCe' » Wed May 29, 2013 10:29 pm

RedHands » Thu May 30, 2013 1:13 am wrote:Really good value signing. He's miles better than skrtel. He's massive and great in the air so it will help us beat the likes of west ham, west brim, and stoke who just sit and hope to nick a goal off of a set piece.


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Postby RedHands » Thu May 30, 2013 12:18 pm

Just watch the Southampton game where Skrtel gets taken to school by Jay Rodriguez for the 3rd goal. Good defenders just do not do what Skrtel did on that goal.
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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Thu May 30, 2013 1:12 pm

saying in todays paper that skrtel wants to stay now.
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