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Andy Carroll is doing well for West Ham in a team set up to get the best out of him. He has the ability to become a very good striker in the prem for a club that will build around him. Even during his short time with us he still produced good moments - not enough unfortunately and isn't ever going to be suited for us under BR.

Thankfully he won't be able to play this weekend because on current form he would destroy Carra and Agger - they can't cope with a striker who will try and bully the cb's

Thommo's perm » Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:33 am wrote:

devaney » Tue Apr 02, 2013 2:13 pm wrote:

mart » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:07 pm wrote:I'll be surprised if he is sold for more than 10 mill.

If we could only get £10m for Andy then I would keep him and develop him as an attacking central defender with the option to use him in attack when necessary.

I made a spoof post about Andy being retrained as a CB and I kinda understand where Devaney's coming from. Lots of players have been retrained into a new position, e.g. our own Ray Kennedy was changed from striker to midfielder. Lets face it apart from an inability to defend Andy Carroll's got all the other attributes we want from a CB, maybe during the game if we have Carra coaching him from behind the goal we might be in with a shout   

To be fair hes got the scoring record of a centre back, i cant believe even Sam Allardyce cant get much out of him with his hoof merchants

Liverpool still plan to sell striker Andy Carroll for £17m
Andy Carroll’s loan spell at West Ham has done nothing to persuade Liverpool he will revive his career at Anfield next season, but the Merseyside club will not lower their £17 million asking price this summer.

By Chris Bascombe
11:00PM BST 03 Apr 2013

Although there is a prospect Carroll may have to return to his parent club in time for the next pre-season, that would only be in the event of further haggling over his fee, with Newcastle United sure to rival West Ham and revive their interest in re-signing their former player.

It is still Liverpool’s intention to sell Carroll at the earliest opportunity, but as they proved last summer, not on the cheap.

Liverpool face West Ham United this weekend, although Carroll will be ineligible for the Anfield fixture under Premier League rules.

Brendan Rodgers, the Liverpool manager, plans to meet Carroll at the end of the campaign to discuss his future, but it will be made clear his position has not changed in the last 12 months, particularly as the Merseysiders have since added to their attacking options.

At best, Carroll would only be a squad player for Liverpool with Rodgers having already shaped his team in a way which he does not feel would suit the 24-year-old’s strengths.

There is no desire on the club’s part to have a highly paid player stuck on the bench, nor on Carroll’s to see his career stall when he wants to be a regular starter and has ambitions to force his way back into the England fold in time for the World Cup.

As it stands, West Ham are in the prime position to make Carroll a permanent signing. As part of their year-long loan offer, they secured the option to conclude a longer-term deal for £17 million if they avoided relegation.

Sam Allardyce’s side are relatively safe in mid-table, but there have been no discussions yet between the parties about triggering Carroll’s clause as it remains a substantial investment for the London club.

Carroll will also be weighing up his options, influenced by whether Allardyce - who has championed the former England striker and made it clear he wants to keep him - signs a new contract.

The issue will be further complicated by Newcastle’s lingering hopes of taking Carroll back to the North-East - providing they stay up.

They baulked at Liverpool’s asking price a year ago, refusing to pay more than £12 million for a player they sold for £35 million in January, 2011.

Liverpool, however, will reopen negotiations with Newcastle manager Alan Pardew if West Ham do not take up the option of buying Carroll because they are interested in discussing a potential player swap-deal.

Rodgers is an admirer of French midfielder Hatem Ben Arfa, whose form and fitness he has been monitoring throughout the season because he believes he could fit seamlessly into the Liverpool line-up.

Carroll has scored five goals in his 17 appearances for West Ham.

Liverpool have recruited Daniel Sturridge since allowing Carroll to go alone. Sturridge is already under pressure to add consistency to his natural talent having been left out of the side that defeated Aston Villa last weekend.

If Carroll returned to Anfield now, he would not even be guaranteed a place on the bench on a week-to-week basis.

Rodgers still needs to raise as many funds as possible by offloading those surplus to requirements while also keeping control of his squad’s wage bill so that underused players are not absorbing valuable resources. It all adds up to Carroll’s return being an inconvenience the club would have to reluctantly deal with as and when it happened, rather than a chance for a fresh start.

Liverpool to offer lifeline to flop Carroll as striker prepares for Anfield return

By DOMINIC KING
PUBLISHED: 22:24, 3 April 2013

UPDATED: 08:03, 4 April 2013


Andy Carroll could be given the chance to resurrect his Liverpool career if he accepts that he will not be a regular starter.

The England international is currently on loan at West Ham and while they have no obligation to buy him at the end of the season, they would be keen to sign him permanently.

Carroll's former club Newcastle have also registered their interest and one potential outcome would be a swap deal which would see Hatem Ben Arfa move to Anfield.

As it stands, he will return to Liverpool and discussions about his future will begin then between his advisors and the club. If Liverpool cannot find a buyer, Carroll would take his place back in the squad but it is most likely that he will be offloaded.

Newcastle have never hidden the fact they would like to bring Carroll back to Tyneside two-and-a-half years after selling him for a record-breaking £35million.

But, as is the case with West Ham, Newcastle would be unwilling to pay anything close to the £17million Liverpool were looking for when he became available.

If he does remain at Liverpool, Carroll - who cannot play in Sunday's match between the sides at Anfield, due to the terms of his loan - will not be one of the club's front line strikers but if he can accept that, he will be given opportunities.

Carroll has hit form recently, scoring twice against West Brom, but West Ham have looked at other options, most notably Vitesse Arnhem's Wilfried Bony.

Rodgers has significantly reshaped Liverpool's forward line since the 24-year-old left in August and now has options that include Luis Suarez, Daniel Sturridge, Philippe Coutinho, Stewart Downing and Raheem Sterling.

Carroll only made two brief substitute appearances for Rodgers, totalling 18 minutes, before he was allowed to leave before the end of the transfer window. Fulham were the only side, other than West Ham, to make an enquiry.



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Not coming back
Forget it

Thommo's perm » Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:36 am wrote:Not coming back
Forget it

Don't be so sure, If there are no buyers at the right price I think he will be offered a bench place here. Andy will grab that chance i'm sure.

Fingers crossed.

if i was carroll i`d accept that i wouldnt be a regular starter at anfield and try to do what henderson and downing have done, both were initially frozen out (hendo was even offered to fulham as part of a dempsey deal but refused to go) but have forced their way back into the managers thinking.
i think we need a carroll type player in the squad, we still have too many games like the west brom game (both of them), stoke, everton, oldham, hearts, swansea in the league cup, villa at home etc where we look lightweight and off the pace (thats being kind, weak as p1$$ is a more apt description).
i think if rodgers accepts that sometimes there are some games where you arent going to break teams down with precision passing (especially teams that score an early goal and get 11 men behind the ball) and sometimes there are teams that get stuck into our flair players to the extent we sh1t ourselves and go missing (everton, stoke, oldham etc) then we might actually do something in this league.

i thought andy was unlucky to be frozen out without at least having the opportunity to prove himself, especially when the likes of cole was given plenty of opportunities.
i`d much rather have carroll to bring on than borini.

the worse signing ever in terms of return on investment... 35 million back then could've bought a proper world class striker... he is a lesser striker than Crouch... not surprised no one wants to pay 17 million... at most he will fetch us 10 million...

If Carroll does come back to the club I hope he is given a chance by both the manager and the fans.

In return I hope we get 100% from Carroll as a minimum

Benny The Noon » Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:37 pm wrote:If Carroll does come back to the club I hope he is given a chance by both the manager and the fans.

In return I hope we get 100% from Carroll as a minimum

He will be at least 3rd choice... more probably 4th choice... BR is mad if he plays Carroll ahead of Suarez and Sturridge...

Offload for as much as we can get and strengthen other areas and look for a cheaper younger striker with more potential...

He will provide an option that we don't have and one that could have helped us at times this season.

It's not about 3rd choice it's about having options in the team - something we struggled with last season.

maguskwt » Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:47 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:37 pm wrote:If Carroll does come back to the club I hope he is given a chance by both the manager and the fans.

In return I hope we get 100% from Carroll as a minimum

He will be at least 3rd choice... more probably 4th choice... BR is mad if he plays Carroll ahead of Suarez and Sturridge...

Offload for as much as we can get and strengthen other areas and look for a cheaper younger striker with more potential...

4th choice? behind who? borini?
carroll will start the season as third choice striker and it`s up to him how it goes from there.
personally i think he`d be a great option from the bench and he`d be a great option to start in games where we know the opposition are going to get stuck into us, sometimes in this league you`ve just got to roll your sleeves up and battle and at the moment we dont do that, and thats why we are so inconsistent.
how much money would you put on liverpool beating the likes of stoke or oldham away?
do you think the likes of allen, lucas, coutinho, downing...hell even agger and skrtel have the physical prescence to counter the threat of an ale house side?
if i was manager carroll would be just one of a number of physically strong players i`d bring in, i`d bring a strong CM in and a couple of powerful center halves too, we are way too lightweight to win this league.
i`m starting to doubt wether lucas will ever regain his old form, he`s been back for the best part of the season and he still looks way off the pace to me, he`s getting brushed off a lot and players are going past him too easily, i think we need a big strong center mid who can cover the ground quickly but also has a bit of ability on the ball, considering he will probably go for less than £10m i`d go for that diame.

we cant have a £35mil bench warmer, were not Real Madrid FFS! Carroll is never gonna be a regular here and we should sell him if we can get a decent price, id only keep him if teams try and take the ***** with the transfer fee, anything over £15mil we should accept IMO

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:06 pm wrote:

maguskwt » Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:47 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:37 pm wrote:If Carroll does come back to the club I hope he is given a chance by both the manager and the fans.

In return I hope we get 100% from Carroll as a minimum

He will be at least 3rd choice... more probably 4th choice... BR is mad if he plays Carroll ahead of Suarez and Sturridge...

Offload for as much as we can get and strengthen other areas and look for a cheaper younger striker with more potential...

4th choice? behind who? borini?
carroll will start the season as third choice striker and it`s up to him how it goes from there.
personally i think he`d be a great option from the bench and he`d be a great option to start in games where we know the opposition are going to get stuck into us, sometimes in this league you`ve just got to roll your sleeves up and battle and at the moment we dont do that, and thats why we are so inconsistent.
how much money would you put on liverpool beating the likes of stoke or oldham away?
do you think the likes of allen, lucas, coutinho, downing...hell even agger and skrtel have the physical prescence to counter the threat of an ale house side?
if i was manager carroll would be just one of a number of physically strong players i`d bring in, i`d bring a strong CM in and a couple of powerful center halves too, we are way too lightweight to win this league.
i`m starting to doubt wether lucas will ever regain his old form, he`s been back for the best part of the season and he still looks way off the pace to me, he`s getting brushed off a lot and players are going past him too easily, i think we need a big strong center mid who can cover the ground quickly but also has a bit of ability on the ball, considering he will probably go for less than £10m i`d go for that diame.

Center midfield is by far our biggest problem at the moment, we do not have an effective combination of players. We need some strength and power in there to compliment the passers in the team. We are so light weight its embarrassing, Lucas or Allen needs to be replaced by a proper defensive midfielder with some height, strength and a tackling ability. I'm not a big fan of players who are more athletes than footballers but in the premiership you have to have someone like that in the side, we would be much better with a Mascherano, Yaya, Diame or Sissoko type