Liverpool FC Forum

Then there is no title winning glory.

That's the reality of the situation - no one likes but that's way it is now.

Either stay a mediocre mid table club or push forward.

Ticket prices will go up regardless of if we have a billionaire owner.

For it to be anything different needs a radical change in the game in this country - but that's not going to happen as the clubs about to get even more money because of new tv deals.

It's one big gravy train - either jump on and enjoy the ride or miss it and be resigned to settling for the minor places.

Benny do you actually believe that we are a mid table club?

We currently sit 7th with it being in our hands to finish above Everton and I wouldnt rule out top 5.

It really angers me when you hear this ***** especially as our last 2 games we have scored 9 conceeding 0 and one was away from home to a team we have struggled to beat away in recent seasons

No I wouldn't mind.

You either have to move with the times or be left behind.

I know which I'd prefer.

While billionaire owners have certainly improved their clubs and won trophies, they've yet to prove that they can build a club which can dominate domestically and in Europe on a regular basis.   

The top clubs in Europe at the moment got to were they are by years of hard work and long term thinking, getting the youths at all ages playing the same system / philosophy as the first 11.  Developing and investing in youth as well as having the funds to make some major  signings for the here and now.   

I think FSG are doing a very good job in relation to long term plans and youth.  They've hired a young manager with a clear style of play in mind.  We investing a lot in young players and have developed others through our academy.  From what I hear, we're playing the same style of football with all age groups.  If thats the case, them young players will be well used to the system from an early age. 

The reason for this thread, and the one thing that FSG seem to be missing... is the ability to invest any of their own money into the club.  They simply cant pay top fee's or top wages for players.  Without this, I don't think we'll be able to compete with the top clubs. 

It will become a constant vicious cycle of finding great players like Suarez, eventually losing them to more successful clubs, one of the younger players might step up, repeat cycle.

I'd love to have owners that had a long term vision as well as the funds to pump in right now.  Then we might see some immediate success and be able to build for a dominating future.

jacdaniel » Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:09 pm wrote:While billionaire owners have certainly improved their clubs and won trophies, they've yet to prove that they can build a club which can dominate domestically and in Europe on a regular basis.   

The top clubs in Europe at the moment got to were they are by years of hard work and long term thinking, getting the youths at all ages playing the same system / philosophy as the first 11.  Developing and investing in youth as well as having the funds to make some major  signings for the here and now.   

I think FSG are doing a very good job in relation to long term plans and youth.  They've hired a young manager with a clear style of play in mind.  We investing a lot in young players and have developed others through our academy.  From what I hear, we're playing the same style of football with all age groups.  If thats the case, them young players will be well used to the system from an early age. 

The reason for this thread, and the one thing that FSG seem to be missing... is the ability to invest any of their own money into the club.  They simply cant pay top fee's or top wages for players.  Without this, I don't think we'll be able to compete with the top clubs. 

It will become a constant vicious cycle of finding great players like Suarez, eventually losing them to more successful clubs, one of the younger players might step up, repeat cycle.

I'd love to have owners that had a long term vision as well as the funds to pump in right now.  Then we might see some immediate success and be able to build for a dominating future.

Ok I accept that I'm being pedantic but do you honestly think that Abramovich has improved Chelsea football club. Yes they have won trophies but in terms of respect and their overall standing I'm not so sure. Some supporters will say that they don't care about the club or players behaviour as long as they are winning trophies.Chelsea are a classic example of how new money can create an utterly soulless football club that very few people except their own supporters would want very much to do with. Abramovich's style of ownership is fascinating. He will go to any lengths whatsoever to achieve success. Manager after manager have been sacked. So few top flight managers are now interested in Chelsea that Abramovich was almost forced with having to use the services of Benitez who had been out of work since his very short and very unsuccessful spell at Inter Milan. Such is the arrogance of Abramovich that he gives Rafa the disgraceful title of interim manager and tells the world that Guardiola will join them in the summer of 2013.Abramovich targeted Torres IMHO because of the goals that Fernando had scored against them. Thank you Roman for the £50m.

I would absolutely hate to see eight rich owners in the Premiership that behaved in such a soulless and uncaring manner. If it is all simply down to nothing but money then the game is stuffed.

Chelsea have massively improved as a club since Abramovich arrived at the club. If you don't think they have then I would have to wonder what you think the game of football is all about.

Benny The Noon » Sun Mar 10, 2013 3:10 pm wrote:Chelsea have massively improved as a club since Abramovich arrived at the club. If you don't think they have then I would have to wonder what you think the game of football is all about.

The team undoubtedly has improved. That's what you get when yo spend a veritable fortune and couldn't give a fk about how much money you lose. There is an obvious inevitability when you adopt a financially suicidal system. Has Abramovich improved the club in the same way?  Personally I don't think so. Your couldn't give a fk how we win approach lends itself to the soulless Abramovich style of ownership. You need to accept that not everybody is the same as you.

Teams play football to win. That's what the game is about - winning.

I like winning and I understand what is needed to win the prem.

Benny The Noon » Sun Mar 10, 2013 7:17 pm wrote:Teams play football to win. That's what the game is about - winning.

I like winning and I understand what is needed to win the prem.

I don't have any desire to fk up the Suarez thread with this debate so I will continue it here. To bring Suarez into this money debate is just too left field even by your standards.

You have accepted that simply buying success is a "shitty thing" - your words not mine and yet you claim this has always been your stance. Throughout this debate you have single mindedly insisted that the only way we can win the title is by finding a billionaire owner that doesn't mind losing a lot of money in the short and more than likely the long term. In other words you are quite prepared that Liverpool FC just becomes another "shitty thing".

I admit that I do not have a guaranteed road map as to how we can win the title but for the time being, as I have said previously, I'm prepared to give the present regime more than five minutes to turn around the awful mess the inherited.

Excellent - you give them that and then let us know when you come to realisation that there is only one way to win the title.

It is a shitty thing - goes along with how Sh*t the game of football has become.

This isn't a new thing by a long stretch, it's been around for a decade - Rafa realised it hence why he wanted more money from the Yanks , Moores realised it hence why he was looking to sell.

Benny The Noon » Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:26 am wrote:Excellent - you give them that and then let us know when you come to realisation that there is only one way to win the title.

It is a shitty thing - goes along with how Sh*t the game of football has become.

This isn't a new thing by a long stretch, it's been around for a decade - Rafa realised it hence why he wanted more money from the Yanks , Moores realised it hence why he was looking to sell.

You see I don't subscribe to your vision that the game has become Sh*t. I simply don't like buying success and that is the difference between you and me. That is the area of the game that I have little time for. Liverpool earned the right to spend a lot of money over many many years on players and the stadium because they were an incredibly successful business. Manchester United wether you like it or not also earned that right. Chelsea and Man City metaphorically speaking took a suitcase full of steroids !!

Most Premiership present day stadiums are fantastic by comparison to what I experienced standing on the Kop during the sixties in a river of p.iss !! Ok it was great fun and the atmosphere was amazing but lets face it the conditions were basic in the extreme. Media coverage of the game now is exceptional compared to the occasional live match that was televised before the nineties. The quality of the football has also improved through advance training and technology. These are just a few examples of how things have changed for the better. As usual you are being very simplistic when you describe the game as Sh*t 

The problem for you is you're stuck back in those romantic notions and you don't realise that my "vision" isn't actually a "vision" it's a reality - the reality of the modern game that we now see - a sport ruled by money where the teams with the most money are the success and the best players go to where they can get the most amount of money and success.

It's a game controlled by money and rich people but ruined by money. That started 22 years ago when they formed the Prem and Sky bought the rights.

A romantic notions are long gone.

Both us and Man Utd were/are successful because they were able to get the best players over a sustained period - teams now do that over a shorter period with more money. Players, Owners , Fans no longer show paitence to build up anything - only have to see our 4 years - people demanding Rafa was sacked , then Woy , then Kenny - this time next year if BR doesn't have us in the top 4 then the calls for him to go will grow as well.

That's modern football and it won't get better whilst companies like Sky and BT continue to offer billions to broadcast matches

Dear lord, get the violins out, we need some sad dreary background music for this thread.

Like there is never one opinion, there is never one solution to any problem. Have faith lads, Liverpool will return and if its done right, we'll stay.

Benny The Noon » Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:25 am wrote:
Both us and Man Utd were/are successful because they were able to get the best players over a sustained period - teams now do that over a shorter period with more money. Players, Owners , Fans no longer show paitence to build up anything - only have to see our 4 years - people demanding Rafa was sacked , then Woy , then Kenny - this time next year if BR doesn't have us in the top 4 then the calls for him to go will grow as well.

That's modern football and it won't get better whilst companies like Sky and BT continue to offer billions to broadcast matches

I would argue that , in our hey day, we attracted the occassional "best player" but more often than not we created "best players" because they were able to fulfil a particular role in the Liverpool way of playing football.

supersub » Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:16 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:25 am wrote:
Both us and Man Utd were/are successful because they were able to get the best players over a sustained period - teams now do that over a shorter period with more money. Players, Owners , Fans no longer show paitence to build up anything - only have to see our 4 years - people demanding Rafa was sacked , then Woy , then Kenny - this time next year if BR doesn't have us in the top 4 then the calls for him to go will grow as well.

That's modern football and it won't get better whilst companies like Sky and BT continue to offer billions to broadcast matches

I would argue that , in our hey day, we attracted the occassional "best player" but more often than not we created "best players" because they were able to fulfil a particular role in the Liverpool way of playing football.

Barnes, Beardsley, Aldridge and Houghton was a good summer though