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by **parchpea** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:07 pm

Not thinking ahead or moving with the times cost us our position at the very
top of English football and regrettably its gone on for that long now we have
absolutely no chance of turning it around without a 'massive' injection of cash.

Im not suggesting we are in dire straits because that is not the case, we have a
very good football team and some top players, but if your talking about going from that
to be Champions and cement regular Champs League football it will take money we simply do
not have at this point.

Sometime I get the impression some fans have become quite content with where we are
and maybe its a generation thing because we have been below the pinnacle for so many years
now, but for me its still hard to take not being the best and time has not made me forget
what we lost or want it back every season.

by **devaney** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:29 pm

Benny The Noon » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:33 am wrote:
devaney » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:06 am wrote:What happens when all twenty Premiership teams have rich billionaire owners?

Not long ago United had the wealth and in fairness to the horrible kunts a lot of it was developed. They never simply went out and bought a team in the same soulless way as Man City and Chelsea by spending obscene amounts of money over a very short time scale. Now United,Chelsea,Man City,Barca,Real Madrid,Bayern Munich,PSG and even the likes of Anji all have the ability to chase after the very best players. The list is getting longer every season. The best players now have a lot more choice where to play and where to live. Life will become increasingly more difficult for the clubs with the new money who are paying ridiculous amounts of money in transfer fees and salaries.Look at Man City and Chelsea this season for example. Just what are they going to win? Swansea could end up having a better season in terms of trophies than these two utterly soulless clubs.

Do the players really care? Tevez goes on a golf sabbatical and throws his dummy out when things aren't going quite his way. What do you think Bill Shankly would have done with Tevez? Balotelli is another bad example of the modern day footballer and it saddens me to say it but Fernando Torres attitude also stinks.Rooney and his agents almost hold United to ransom to get what they want and they succeeded.Ferguson has never recovered from that and his bitterness went some way to them losing against Real Madrid on Tuesday. If these are the sort of players and clubs that you want then lets go and find ourselves a rich billionaire but I still want to know what will happen when everybody has a rich billionaire?

Welcome to modern football.

Either jump on the bandwagon or get left behind.

As a self professed know it all I was expecting a better answer. What happens when all Premiership teams have billionaire owners or even half of them?

by **damjan193** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:34 pm

Benny The Noon » Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:38 am wrote:
damjan193 » Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:38 am wrote:
Benny The Noon » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:53 pm wrote:
At least they have won titles even if they have bought the best players to do it.

We used to buy the best players throughout the 70's and 80's to get the best team to win the title.

It's just done on a grander scale now.

Ill have Chelsea's 3 Prem titles in the last decade over our None

But would you also have their plastic fans and soulless team?

We have plenty enough plastic fans anyway

And why is their teams soulless ?

Oh come on Benny, you can't ask me why is Chelsea soulless. They are a classless team with an idiot owner who changes managers like we change socks and they have mercenary players who have no respect for the club or the manager.

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:37 pm

If all the owners are billionaires then it will prob be closer to a level playing field with the more respected clubs getting the better players. But it's a situation that won't ever happen. Billionaires won't buy the smaller clubs because they aren't the right base for big billionaires - they want big exposure - they will get that from the top clubs not from the Norwich or Stoke or West Brom etc

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:40 pm

damjan193 » Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:34 pm wrote:
Benny The Noon » Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:38 am wrote:
damjan193 » Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:38 am wrote:But would you also have their plastic fans and soulless team?

We have plenty enough plastic fans anyway

And why is their teams soulless ?

Oh come on Benny, you can't ask me why is Chelsea soulless. They are a classless team with an idiot owner who changes managers like we change socks and they have mercenary players who have no respect for the club or the manager.

Yet City arent like that are they.

Getting a billionaire as an owner doesn't suddenly make the fans or teams soulless. Thankfully will already have a massive worldwide fanbase with class - that won't change with money.

by **devaney** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:14 pm

Benny The Noon » Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:37 pm wrote:If all the owners are billionaires then it will prob be closer to a level playing field with the more respected clubs getting the better players. But it's a situation that won't ever happen. Billionaires won't buy the smaller clubs because they aren't the right base for big billionaires - they want big exposure - they will get that from the top clubs not from the Norwich or Stoke or West Brom etc

Ok let's just assume that 8 clubs get billionaire owners. Who would be the more respected clubs? City were hardly that well respected before the arrival of Mansoor and the same applies with lovely caring Roman and Chelsea! Yes it would become a level playing field and it would prove considerably more difficult to simply buy the title you are so desperate for. Yes I agree that our name would help but if a billionaire arrived tomorrow we would still have to compete with a growing number of clubs for the very best players and that number of very rich clubs is going to increase because at the moment football is sexy. But what happens when they get fed up and take their money away? I'm sorry but a lot more imagination is required as I have previously said.

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:22 pm

Who has got fed up and taken their money away ? It's a scenario that has happened yet and when it does I expect the club to be in a position to continue to be successful.

City had the base - Chelsea had London

Add in Arsenal , Us , Spurs maybe even the bitters and Villa.

It doesn't need imagination - it needs money. Has done for over a decade now.

Yes I am desperate to win titles again because I liked the club being the most successful in the country.

I'm not happy being a mediocre mid table club , I wasn't happy just being a CL club. I want more , the players will want more. All the fans should want more for the club. To get more we will need to buy better and to buy better will need to spend more money. That's the way of the prem now.

by **devaney** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:53 pm

Benny The Noon » Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:22 pm wrote:Who has got fed up and taken their money away ? It's a scenario that has happened yet and when it does I expect the club to be in a position to continue to be successful.

City had the base - Chelsea had London

Add in Arsenal , Us , Spurs maybe even the bitters and Villa.

It doesn't need imagination - it needs money. Has done for over a decade now.

Yes I am desperate to win titles again because I liked the club being the most successful in the country.

I'm not happy being a mediocre mid table club , I wasn't happy just being a CL club. I want more , the players will want more. All the fans should want more for the club. To get more we will need to buy better and to buy better will need to spend more money. That's the way of the prem now.

You seem utterly incapable of accepting that if more and more clubs have crazy money to spend then the club with the most money is probably going to get the best players. All that your unimaginative plan will achieve is even larger transfer values, a further increase in already disgraceful player wages and lets not forget even more money to parasitical agents. It certainly will not guarantee titles and trophies. It will simply mean that there are more rich clubs chasing titles, trophies and top four places. The money in football has gone mad. Wenger is on £7m a year. That is more than the CEO of Apple who until not long ago were the worlds largest listed company. They've got £130b in the bank. Maybe Tim Cook is a Liverpool supporter !!

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:19 pm

It seems you are getting closer to grasping what modern football is now - a money game.

No one has said getting a billionaire guarantees anything but getting that sort of backing gives the club the best chance to compete for the title.

It's all about which teams spend the most money to get the best players. Been like that for a long time now and it's not going to change for a long time until wage caps are enforced.

by **devaney** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:35 pm

Benny The Noon » Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:19 pm wrote:It seems you are getting closer to grasping what modern football is now - a money game.

No one has said getting a billionaire guarantees anything but getting that sort of backing gives the club the best chance to compete for the title.

It's all about which teams spend the most money to get the best players. Been like that for a long time now and it's not going to change for a long time until wage caps are enforced.

And you seem incapable of grasping the frailties associated with your somewhat fragile and unimaginative plan.

by **devaney** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:38 pm

devaney » Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:35 pm wrote:
Benny The Noon » Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:19 pm wrote:It seems you are getting closer to grasping what modern football is now - a money game.

No one has said getting a billionaire guarantees anything but getting that sort of backing gives the club the best chance to compete for the title.

It's all about which teams spend the most money to get the best players. Been like that for a long time now and it's not going to change for a long time until wage caps are enforced.

And you seem incapable of grasping the frailties associated with your somewhat fragile and unimaginative plan. Well actually it's not a plan it's a giant size begging bowl with the word desperation running through it! Your Liverpool's equivalent of a Big Issue seller !!! :laugh:

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:46 pm

I know the frailties with it .

I know it's unimaginative.

It's football and football is run by money. Once that concept is grasped then possibly you might understand what is needed in the current climate for clubs to succeed. You don't win titles by being imaginative , you don't win titles by being safe. You win titles by taking financial risks and be able to buy the best players.

Until then we will continue to struggle and some people have accepted that and seem content with that because they expect us to rise again because we are Liverpool ! It's fairytale stuff totally detached from reality. One day they will wake up to the reality of the situation of modern football

by **devaney** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:32 pm

Benny The Noon » Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:46 pm wrote:I know the frailties with it .

I know it's unimaginative.

It's football and football is run by money. Once that concept is grasped then possibly you might understand what is needed in the current climate for clubs to succeed. You don't win titles by being imaginative , you don't win titles by being safe. You win titles by taking financial risks and be able to buy the best players.

Until then we will continue to struggle and some people have accepted that and seem content with that because they expect us to rise again because we are Liverpool ! It's fairytale stuff totally detached from reality. One day they will wake up to the reality of the situation of modern football

You may know the frailties but you very clearly don't understand the consequences of them and it would be futile of me to try and get you to think differently. If we all adopt your tunnel vision of the game it won't belong before the average fan has to pay £100 for a standard ticket.

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:36 pm

You do realise that fans are already paying over a £100 a ticket at Arsenal !

It's already reality ! It's here already - it's not something that is going to happen - its happening now.

Do you not understand that ? The game is now based on money.

My "tunnel vision" of the game is the current reality of the game.

Unless you think it's not based on money ?

by **devaney** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:54 pm

Benny The Noon » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:36 pm wrote:You do realise that fans are already paying over a £100 a ticket at Arsenal !

It's already reality ! It's here already - it's not something that is going to happen - its happening now.

Do you not understand that ? The game is now based on money.

My "tunnel vision" of the game is the current reality of the game.

Unless you think it's not based on money ?

Sorry I should have been a little clearer. I meant your average Liverpool fan would be paying £100 for a ticket. What do you think the average net weekly wage is on Merseyside? £400 or that a bit top heavy? is it reasonable or just downright greedy to expect the average supporter to cough up 25% of his weekly net wage on a ticket and that's not including all the other associated costs of going to the game. You seem quite prepared to accept this distasteful ultimatum in search of glory !!

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