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heimdall » Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:30 pm wrote:

Kharhaz » Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:27 am wrote:My take on Andy Carroll.

Towards the end of the season, or as a few have pointed out, since the Newcastle game, Andy Carroll started to come into his own.

He dominated defences, he scored goals, he was a bigger threat than Suarez was. Go on, I dare you, tell me im wrong.

The decision to send Carroll out on loan was a bad one in many ways, for me mainly, because he was the one who finished the season as one of our most impressive players. Of all our players, he finished the strongest. Am I wrong?

He then went on to play for England in the Euros and scored a blinder. Once again circumstance has denied Carroll his glory, in the Euros case, Rooney the useless donkey.

Carroll is definately not a bad signing, but ill used? yes, I could agree with that.

you are wrong on both counts, he has never been and never will be a bigger threat than Suarez and he certainly was not our best player at the end of last season. Scoring one goal in a championship does not suddenly make you world class.
If as you suggest he was getting better and better why has he failed to deliver as West Ham, a team which does play to his "supposed" strengths?

He was and is the worst signing we have ever made and I hope he never pulls on the Red Jersey again.

Sorry my friend, at that time he was a bigger threat. So your wrong there, and secondly no, he is not our worst signing, that honour goes to Downing.

We have had a lot worse signings than Carroll or even Downing.

Boocity » Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:03 am wrote:We have had a lot worse signings than Carroll or even Downing.

£ for £ I'm struggling to think of any. If we sell both Downing and Carroll now we would do very well to recoup £25m for the two of them. That is a massive £30m loss over a very short space of time. So perhaps you could throw a few names into the mix. Aquilani and Keane come to mind and were probably equally as bad as Downing but certainly not Carroll who has proved to be an even bigger disappointment.

devaney » Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:45 am wrote:

Boocity » Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:03 am wrote:We have had a lot worse signings than Carroll or even Downing.

£ for £ I'm struggling to think of any. If we sell both Downing and Carroll now we would do very well to recoup £25m for the two of them. That is a massive £30m loss over a very short space of time. So perhaps you could throw a few names into the mix. Aquilani and Keane come to mind and were probably equally as bad as Downing but certainly not Carroll who has proved to be an even bigger disappointment.

Kharhaz - I find it admirable that you are prepared to defend Carroll and enthuse about his improvement towards the end of last season. Yes he did some reasonable work against United and Chelsea in the FA Cup but that is all it was. He had been so incredibly poor for 16 months that any improvement would have been noticed and given too much credit. Carroll has scored 3 goals in 37 league games and if that isn't sufficient evidence to suggest he isn't up to the job of a striker then I don't know what is.Sorry mate I just cannot agree with your assessment of Andy.

devaney » Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:57 am wrote:

devaney » Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:45 am wrote:

Boocity » Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:03 am wrote:We have had a lot worse signings than Carroll or even Downing.

£ for £ I'm struggling to think of any. If we sell both Downing and Carroll now we would do very well to recoup £25m for the two of them. That is a massive £30m loss over a very short space of time. So perhaps you could throw a few names into the mix. Aquilani and Keane come to mind and were probably equally as bad as Downing but certainly not Carroll who has proved to be an even bigger disappointment.

Kharhaz - I find it admirable that you are prepared to defend Carroll and enthuse about his improvement towards the end of last season. Yes he did some reasonable work against United and Chelsea in the FA Cup but that is all it was. He had been so incredibly poor for 16 months that any improvement would have been noticed and given too much credit. Carroll has scored 3 goals in 37 league games and if that isn't sufficient evidence to suggest he isn't up to the job of a striker then I don't know what is.Sorry mate I just cannot agree with your assessment of Andy.

Hes what 22? are players rated as ***** washed up never will bes after a poor season at 22? Then i give you borini by the end of the season.

Kharhaz » Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:54 am wrote:

eds » Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:14 am wrote:

Kharhaz » Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:27 am wrote:My take on Andy Carroll.

Towards the end of the season, or as a few have pointed out, since the Newcastle game, Andy Carroll started to come into his own.

He dominated defences, he scored goals, he was a bigger threat than Suarez was. Go on, I dare you, tell me im wrong.

The decision to send Carroll out on loan was a bad one in many ways, for me mainly, because he was the one who finished the season as one of our most impressive players. Of all our players, he finished the strongest. Am I wrong?

He then went on to play for England in the Euros and scored a blinder. Once again circumstance has denied Carroll his glory, in the Euros case, Rooney the useless donkey.

Carroll is definately not a bad signing, but ill used? yes, I could agree with that.

Carroll is rubbish and the fact that you think Shrek is a "useless donkey" compared to him, pretty much sums up why no one will take your opinion seriously.

Oh wait just noticed you said he is a bigger threat that Suarez......                       

Good one. You were just having a laugh all along.

And my opinion of shrek is simple, he is simply playing on past reputation.

Yeah past reputation. The 27 league goals he scored last season are in the past.

devaney » Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:57 am wrote:

devaney » Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:45 am wrote:

Boocity » Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:03 am wrote:We have had a lot worse signings than Carroll or even Downing.

£ for £ I'm struggling to think of any. If we sell both Downing and Carroll now we would do very well to recoup £25m for the two of them. That is a massive £30m loss over a very short space of time. So perhaps you could throw a few names into the mix. Aquilani and Keane come to mind and were probably equally as bad as Downing but certainly not Carroll who has proved to be an even bigger disappointment.

Kharhaz - I find it admirable that you are prepared to defend Carroll and enthuse about his improvement towards the end of last season. Yes he did some reasonable work against United and Chelsea in the FA Cup but that is all it was. He had been so incredibly poor for 16 months that any improvement would have been noticed and given too much credit. Carroll has scored 3 goals in 37 league games and if that isn't sufficient evidence to suggest he isn't up to the job of a striker then I don't know what is.Sorry mate I just cannot agree with your assessment of Andy.

carroll wasnt worth anywhere near the £35m we paid for him and he isnt a prolific goalscorer but that doesnt mean he isnt a very effective player. carroll puts defences under pressure and he attracts defenders creating space for other players.
you are concentrating on his goal return but some of the best games he had in a red shirt he didnt actually get on the scoresheet.
the derby game at anfield was one of our best performances of the season and carroll had a superb game, he totally dominated fellaini (moyes stuck fellaini on carroll) and jagielka and his performance against chelsea at anfield was a similar story, we scored 4 goals and although carroll didnt score himself he created a goal for agger, won a penalty and created so much general havoc john terry labelled him as `unplayable`.
i think rodgers f##ked up by discarding carroll, i still think we should get him back, i`d play him as the central striker and have the likes of suarez and sterling or even borini playing off him. i dont think carroll would break any scoring records but the players playing off him might.
whatsmore i think we`d have more threat about us as a team because we`d ask teams different questions.
considering the way carroll finished the season and considering how well he did for england i think rodgers is possibly the only manager in the country who wouldnt have at least given carroll a chance.

Really? How anyone can say Rodgers ***** up big time by letting go of Andy Carroll after Andy Carroll suffered another injury set back is beyond me. Rodgers has become an easy scapegoat for some for the failings of our owners and previous managers just like how benitez was towards the end of his tenure. How many good games have Andy Carroll had for West Ham? Their fans are saying Andy Carroll is not worth 17 million, he's worth 6 million. Half of them are saying Carlton Cole is better than Andy Carroll. I don't agree with them. I think Andy Carroll is just as good as Carlton Cole...

maguskwt » Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:17 pm wrote:Really? How anyone can say Rodgers ***** up big time by letting go of Andy Carroll after Andy Carroll suffered another injury set back is beyond me. Rodgers has become an easy scapegoat for some for the failings of our owners and previous managers just like how benitez was towards the end of his tenure. How many good games have Andy Carroll had for West Ham? Their fans are saying Andy Carroll is not worth 17 million, he's worth 6 million. Half of them are saying Carlton Cole is better than Andy Carroll. I don't agree with them. I think Andy Carroll is just as good as Carlton Cole...

funny how the other 2 promoted clubs (including the champions southampton) are struggling in the bottom 3 at the halfway point of the season and yet the newly promoted club carroll goes to are flying high in 8th position, above the likes of us, arsenal and newcastle.
coincidence i suppose.......
carroll gives any team he plays for a threat up front, he may not score himself but opposition defenders know they are in for a tough game. for a newly promoted club to have the ability to play any club in the league incuding the likes of city and united and know that they can cause them problems by just throwing balls into the box is a huge plus.
lets face it i bet even his biggest critics like you are glad that he cant play against us in our next game, he totally demolished skrtel and big soto up at st james park and who bet against him doing the same to agger and skrtel?
and re his injuries, maybe if he had a proper pre season instead of being f##ked around by rodgers he wouldnt be picking up so many injuries this season. makes me laugh when you think of the game time rodgers mate joe cole got in pre season, at least carroll for all his faults actually looked like he wanted to play for this club and tried his heart out.
i liked carroll, he showed a lot of guts, unlike the likes of sahin who goes missing in derby games etc it was the big clashes against the likes of everton, united and chelsea where carroll was at his best.

Kharhaz » Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:54 am wrote:

eds » Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:14 am wrote:

Kharhaz » Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:27 am wrote:My take on Andy Carroll.

Towards the end of the season, or as a few have pointed out, since the Newcastle game, Andy Carroll started to come into his own.

He dominated defences, he scored goals, he was a bigger threat than Suarez was. Go on, I dare you, tell me im wrong.

The decision to send Carroll out on loan was a bad one in many ways, for me mainly, because he was the one who finished the season as one of our most impressive players. Of all our players, he finished the strongest. Am I wrong?

He then went on to play for England in the Euros and scored a blinder. Once again circumstance has denied Carroll his glory, in the Euros case, Rooney the useless donkey.

Carroll is definately not a bad signing, but ill used? yes, I could agree with that.

Carroll is rubbish and the fact that you think Shrek is a "useless donkey" compared to him, pretty much sums up why no one will take your opinion seriously.

Oh wait just noticed you said he is a bigger threat that Suarez......                       

Good one. You were just having a laugh all along.

At that time he was on top form. All the pundits where saying on that form he is unplayable. He was better than Suarez at that time. The downside was, the season ended. And my opinion of shrek is simple, he is simply playing on past reputation. For me he is over rated, and when he playes for England, he simply does nothing.

But its good to see the amount of evidence to prove my opinion wrong, oh wait, there wasnt any, just idiotic comments shooting down my support for Carroll. It should surprise me, but going on todays "supporters", it doesnt.

Remind me how many goals he got for us at the end of the season when he was "on fire". Unplayable my @rse. He always was and always will be an utterly cr@p footballer.

heimdall » Wed Dec 05, 2012 7:00 pm wrote:
Remind me how many goals he got for us at the end of the season when he was "on fire". Unplayable my @rse. He always was and always will be an utterly cr@p footballer.

Andy Carroll is a very good footballer. However my main problem is the fact that he doesn't seem capable of scoring enough goals. When you buy a striker (irrespective of the amount paid) you expect a good goals return and we just never got that with Andy Carroll. People say "he's dangerous, he causes defenders all sorts of problems" and true he is a dangerous centre-forward and yes he does cause defenders problems, but all of that is meaningless if he doesn't stick the ball into the net. Putting the ball into the net is what wins football matches and with Andy in our team this season, I doubt we would be any higher than we are now.

He's a good footballer, I can understand why we brought him, but he's not what we need. We need another 20 + goals a season striker.

Kharhaz » Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:54 am wrote:

eds » Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:14 am wrote:

Kharhaz » Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:27 am wrote:My take on Andy Carroll.

Towards the end of the season, or as a few have pointed out, since the Newcastle game, Andy Carroll started to come into his own.

He dominated defences, he scored goals, he was a bigger threat than Suarez was. Go on, I dare you, tell me im wrong.

The decision to send Carroll out on loan was a bad one in many ways, for me mainly, because he was the one who finished the season as one of our most impressive players. Of all our players, he finished the strongest. Am I wrong?

He then went on to play for England in the Euros and scored a blinder. Once again circumstance has denied Carroll his glory, in the Euros case, Rooney the useless donkey.

Carroll is definately not a bad signing, but ill used? yes, I could agree with that.

Carroll is rubbish and the fact that you think Shrek is a "useless donkey" compared to him, pretty much sums up why no one will take your opinion seriously.

Oh wait just noticed you said he is a bigger threat that Suarez......                       

Good one. You were just having a laugh all along.

At that time he was on top form. All the pundits where saying on that form he is unplayable. He was better than Suarez at that time. The downside was, the season ended. And my opinion of shrek is simple, he is simply playing on past reputation. For me he is over rated, and when he playes for England, he simply does nothing.

But its good to see the amount of evidence to prove my opinion wrong, oh wait, there wasnt any, just idiotic comments shooting down my support for Carroll. It should surprise me, but going on todays "supporters", it doesnt.

F**k me you ARE being serious, you silly c**t. 

Your definition of top form is very subjective. I dont think scoring 3 goals within the space of a few games is "top form" regardless which way you see it. Thats why Van Persie was considered as last season's player of the year and Carroll was the laughing stock of the league. If he was so unplayable why did he not score or assist more goals? Messi is unplayable, a one-dimensional big lug who can only score mostly with his head is not "unplayable", you silly f**king clown!

Whatever "pundits" you are going on about, they were wrong as well. The rest of us fans who actually watch ALL the games throughout the season, know what the f**k we are talking about. He WAS not better than Suarez at the time, never has and never will be.

Oh but you cry out for evidence........Here's your f**king evidence: Carroll scored 9 goals with 4 assists in 29 games, in all competitions last season. Suarez  scored 17 goals with 8 assists in 37 games, in all competitions last season. To add to this Suarez countless times had his shots miss by a few inches, hit the wood work or were great saves pulled off by oppposition goal keepers. Do you want me to go on?  Suarez scored 9 goals for Uruguay helping them lift the Copa America and was player of the tournament, THAT's F**KING FORM. Carroll was sitting on the England bench and managed to score 1 miserable goal, helping them achieve f**k all.......... Some fancy little shuffle before scoring in the FA Cup isn't what I call form or being "unplayable".

And if you are comparing him to Shrek, let me just say this. Shrek will probably score three or four more times more goals for England and Merchandise United throughout his career then Carroll will score throughout his respective career. I don't care about a given point in time, no one does. The quality of a player is measured over a few seasons, not a few games. He is struggling at West Ham for a reason, he is s**t. He had a great start to the league a few years ago, but in football terms that was a LONG time ago. He is not a good player and should come no where near our club EVER again. 

So before you call other people's comments idiotic look at your own. There is not one sane Liverpool fan that would agree with your own moronic opinion. Now go sit down, sh*t up and have a f**kin Coke. You are wrong, just accept it.

eds: don't sit on the fence.....what exactly are you trying to say ?

bunglemark2 » Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:50 am wrote:eds: don't sit on the fence.....what exactly are you trying to say ?

I think, and I could be wrong here, hes on a male form of on....

Kharhaz » Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:01 am wrote:

bunglemark2 » Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:50 am wrote:eds: don't sit on the fence.....what exactly are you trying to say ?

I think, and I could be wrong here, hes on a male form of on....

And that fact that you have been silenced into submission, makes you a.........