Liverpool FC Forum

Thommo's perm » Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:04 pm wrote:

The Raven » Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:56 am wrote:

maguskwt » Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:21 am wrote:A game changer like carroll 

For all his faults he was just that in the FA cup vs chelsea.

Correct
KK fu'cked up by not playing him from the start

Kenny was knackered, too many late night concerts... 

the minimum requirement at the moment is to win some games, 2 wins out of 10 is f**king ridiculous, especially when you`ve got the likes of suarez, agger, sahin, johnson, sterling, gerrard, allen, lucas etc in your squad.

This is a really easy question to answer. 

The minimum requirement this season is for us fans to get behind the new manager and the team and his philosophies. 

The minimum requirement this season is for us not to panic and start screaming "sack the manager"

The minimum requirement this season is for us to realise that we are at the beginning of a re-building exercise and maybe, just maybe to lower our expectations a little and take some pressure off the team.  We need to realise we came 8th last year with a more experienced and bigger squad of players.

The minimum requirement this season is to do our job, which is to support the club, the team, the manager and each other when things get tough..

Ola Mr Benitez » Wed Nov 07, 2012 4:36 pm wrote:This is a really easy question to answer. 

The minimum requirement this season is for us fans to get behind the new manager and the team and his philosophies. 

The minimum requirement this season is for us not to panic and start screaming "sack the manager"

The minimum requirement this season is for us to realise that we are at the beginning of a re-building exercise and maybe, just maybe to lower our expectations a little and take some pressure off the team.  We need to realise we came 8th last year with a more experienced and bigger squad of players.

The minimum requirement this season is to do our job, which is to support the club, the team, the manager and each other when things get tough..

Good post.

Outside of relegation, I'm sticking with the current manager, I'm prepared to give him 3 seasons. Flipping managers is disastrous. Rebuilding processes....ugh. Look at the amount we spent on players Kenny rated, who Brendan doesn't.

I do think we need some evidence of a UK based board and CEO to run our club like a proper sports business.

i`m not actually advocating a change of manager i`m advocating for the manager to change.
the big fear we all had when FSG were mentioning names like martinez, lambert and rodgers as successors to dalglish was could they handle the pressure of managing such a big club? especially a big club in crisis and imo rodgers got this job too early, the mistakes he has made have been amateurish.

the owners took a hell of a lot stick from all quarters (fans, written press, media etc) over what happened in the summer, infact they took so much stick john henry had to write an open letter to explain what happened but lets look at last summer.
everyone could see that the one thing liverpool lacked last season was a goalscorer, only barcelona in the top 5 league`s in europe (spain, germany, italy, france and england) spent more time in the opposition`s final 3rd and no one hit the woodwork more times than us. performances in general were good and out of the 38 league games we were outplayed in probably only 5 or 6 of them.

we all seem to forget that rodgers spent nearly £30m in the summer (allen, borini, assaidi) and he failed to address the one glaring problem in the side, not only that he made the situation worse!!
we started this season with a weaker squad than we finished last season with, and thats after spending £30m.
in my eyes thats an amateurish mistake.

look at the way he handled the carroll situation, if he didnt want him at the club then fair enough but as manager it`s his job to get the best deal for the club, but rodgers was driving carrolls price down by making it so obvious in the press that he didnt want him, carroll`s stock was quite high after the euro`s and i`m sure a more experienced manager would have talked him up to drive the price up but rodgers was doing the opposite.
rodgers priority in the summer didnt seem to be buying a striker but surrounding himself with familiar faces, as soon as he got in the door he announced that joe cole had a big future at the club and seemingly everyone that we were linked to were his mates - kalou, borini, allen, signurdsson, sturridge.......even ashley williams when it looked like agger or skrtel might be going.
and i wont even bother mentioning the farce at the end of the transfer window, how he could balls that one up after saying he wouldnt work under a DoF god only knows.
rodgers has made mistake after mistake and here we are with 2 wins from 10 games in the league.
he wasnt ready for this job imo, his statements swing wildly from shankly-esque call to arms to doom and gloom predictions and even when he called out downing, cole and enrique in the press it was almost as if he had been reading fans forums and then saying what the fans want to hear.
there is a lot to like about his passing style and he does make brave decisions like playing suso and sterling etc but i think we have got a manager who is still learning the game, we are basically being managed by an managerial apprentice.

I think we're in the wrong thread here YC. I can't really see where he's made mistake after mistake TBH, I mean buying players he's familiar with - he's not buying them because their his mates, it's because he believes they're going to improve the club.

I agree that he made one catastrophic error with the Carroll debacle. It seems he got let down by the owners, they didn't stump up the funds, BUT unless he was 100% sure they were good for the money he shouldn't have let Carroll go - it was a BIG mistake. Aside from that he's done well. The squad we've got now, the first team, it's not strong. He's doing ok and he needs support. If supporters start doubting already we're *****. He needs more of a chance.

      we started this season with a weaker squad than we finished last season with, and thats after spending £30m.
in my eyes thats an amateurish mistake.

I think that's a gross generalisation.

Kenny Kan » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:01 pm wrote:

      we started this season with a weaker squad than we finished last season with, and thats after spending £30m.
in my eyes thats an amateurish mistake.

I think that's a gross generalisation.

why? i know some players like maxi and kuyt wanted to leave but that doesnt mean the manager has to let them go.
like the carroll situation rodgers should have made sure the club was sorted before we started letting players leave.
if it was hodgson leaving the squad threadbare like this he would have been castigated by the fans.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:55 pm wrote:

Kenny Kan » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:01 pm wrote:

      we started this season with a weaker squad than we finished last season with, and thats after spending £30m.
in my eyes thats an amateurish mistake.

I think that's a gross generalisation.

why? i know some players like maxi and kuyt wanted to leave but that doesnt mean the manager has to let them go.
like the carroll situation rodgers should have made sure the club was sorted before we started letting players leave.
if it was hodgson leaving the squad threadbare like this he would have been castigated by the fans.

Why!

Kuyt, Bellamy and Maxi were also knocking on a bit and not one of them was a prolific goalscorer. Couple this with the primary fact Rodgers had to trim the wage bill down and your statement becomes a generalisation that over looks these important facts.

Kenny Kan

Why!

Kuyt, Bellamy and Maxi were also knocking on a bit and not one of them was a prolific goalscorer. Couple this with the primary fact Rodgers had to trim the wage bill down and your statement becomes a generalisation that over looks these important facts.

bellamy was probably our best player in the first half of last season and maxi scored some important goals for us too, he scored twice at stamford bridge and scored a couple away at blackburn as well. even dirk, he wasnt the player he once was but he showed with his goals in that huge F.A cup clash against united and in the league cup final against cardiff that he could still weigh in with vital goals.
to let them go without replacing them was a big error, and wages shouldnt come before the performance of the team.
we are not portsmouth, we can afford to carry a few extra players.
maxi wouldnt have missed that sitter shelvey did against newcastle thats for sure.

to let them go without replacing them was a big error, and wages shouldnt come before the performance of the team.
we are not portsmouth, we can afford to carry a few extra players.   

Well then your gripe should be aimed at the owners not Rodgers.

If we get 3 points for Chelsea Sunday i cant wait to see some of you "fans" change your minds so quickly

LFC1990 » Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:10 am wrote:If we get 3 points for Chelsea Sunday i cant wait to see some of you "fans" change your minds so quickly

i really hope we do win lad, apart from everton and united there`s no team i want to beat more.
if rodgers plays his usual style against them they will rip us to shreds, if we thought swansea broke well against us at anfield with dyer and routledge the likes of hazard, mata and torres will really take us apart.
i think we have got to play smart, i`d play 2 holding midfielders infront of the back 4 and let them come onto us, then i`d pick sterling and assaidi to play either side of suarez and try to hit them on the break.
i`d play similar to the way we played against everton in the second half but without the aimless hoofing from the keeper.
i dont think their defence is particularly quick so i think we can get at them on the break, bellamy and maxi certainly did last season in two seperate games.