Andy Carroll signs for West Ham

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Postby Kash_Mountain » Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:10 am

As Brendan Rodgers has stated to Stewart Downing, that to get more games, he will have to adapt and play at Left Back.......surely Andy Carroll can adapt to a new style of playing. Getting rid of Carroll, imo, would be a mistake.
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Postby celtic-red! » Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:50 am

bunglemark2 » Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:20 am wrote:Getting rid of Carroll is a mistake. Looking at Fellaini and how he tore the filth a new ar$ehole at Goodison shows there is absolutelt a need for a Plan B, once other team figure out how to stop LFC's Plan A. Carroll's performances at the end of last season showed he was up for it and could make a contribution. And if BR's motivational skills are anything to shout about, then he should make the right noises and get Carroll up for it.

He costs 80K per week, hardly a huge amount in the context of the rest of the team. He's a young lad who can get better with the right coaching and discipline.

We have Downing and Cole on ridiculous salaries and neither has delivered a single, decent performance since they were signed.
We have Spearing, admittedly on less, who won't get a game. We have youngsters who need Championship experience to blood them before they can be considered for a future with the club or not.

Bad, bad move BR. I don't agree with this....


how many times does it have to be said.  You will not see a BR's livepool team ever play like everton did vs Man Utd.

All this Plan B talk is laughable.  If Plan A doesnt work then BR will try and make Plan A better!

Carroll doesnt fit into BR's vision.  Why cant people accept this?
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Postby Benny The Noon » Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:02 am

celtic-red! » Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:50 am wrote:
bunglemark2 » Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:20 am wrote:Getting rid of Carroll is a mistake. Looking at Fellaini and how he tore the filth a new ar$ehole at Goodison shows there is absolutelt a need for a Plan B, once other team figure out how to stop LFC's Plan A. Carroll's performances at the end of last season showed he was up for it and could make a contribution. And if BR's motivational skills are anything to shout about, then he should make the right noises and get Carroll up for it.

He costs 80K per week, hardly a huge amount in the context of the rest of the team. He's a young lad who can get better with the right coaching and discipline.

We have Downing and Cole on ridiculous salaries and neither has delivered a single, decent performance since they were signed.
We have Spearing, admittedly on less, who won't get a game. We have youngsters who need Championship experience to blood them before they can be considered for a future with the club or not.

Bad, bad move BR. I don't agree with this....


how many times does it have to be said.  You will not see a BR's livepool team ever play like everton did vs Man Utd.

All this Plan B talk is laughable.  If Plan A doesnt work then BR will try and make Plan A better!

Carroll doesnt fit into BR's vision.  Why cant people accept this?


What happens if plan A continues to not work
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Postby Benny The Noon » Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:03 am

@BenSmithBBC: Andy Carroll resolved to stay at #LFC and prove himself despite the club's attempts to move him on. http://t.co/h0cacqKM

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Postby Thommo's perm » Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:10 am

Kash_Mountain » Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:10 am wrote:As Brendan Rodgers has stated to Stewart Downing, that to get more games, he will have to adapt and play at Left Back.......surely Andy Carroll can adapt to a new style of playing. Getting rid of Carroll, imo, would be a mistake.


Carroll will cover Agger when (not if) he gets injured
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Postby celtic-red! » Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:10 am

Benny The Noon » Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:02 am wrote:
celtic-red! » Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:50 am wrote:
bunglemark2 » Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:20 am wrote:Getting rid of Carroll is a mistake. Looking at Fellaini and how he tore the filth a new ar$ehole at Goodison shows there is absolutelt a need for a Plan B, once other team figure out how to stop LFC's Plan A. Carroll's performances at the end of last season showed he was up for it and could make a contribution. And if BR's motivational skills are anything to shout about, then he should make the right noises and get Carroll up for it.

He costs 80K per week, hardly a huge amount in the context of the rest of the team. He's a young lad who can get better with the right coaching and discipline.

We have Downing and Cole on ridiculous salaries and neither has delivered a single, decent performance since they were signed.
We have Spearing, admittedly on less, who won't get a game. We have youngsters who need Championship experience to blood them before they can be considered for a future with the club or not.

Bad, bad move BR. I don't agree with this....


how many times does it have to be said.  You will not see a BR's livepool team ever play like everton did vs Man Utd.

All this Plan B talk is laughable.  If Plan A doesnt work then BR will try and make Plan A better!

Carroll doesnt fit into BR's vision.  Why cant people accept this?


What happens if plan A continues to not work


Then BR will keep trying to make it work.  We all know how BR's likes his football team to play.  He isnt gonna move away from that!

This whole you need a plan B talk is a myth.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:16 am

But what if it doesn't work - what if 4 months down the line we are sat mid table struggling for goals ?! Do we continue to try just because it's the managers ideas ?! I would hope our manager would be a bit more adaptable than that.
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Postby Roger Red Hat » Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:22 am

you think if we're struggling for goals having the option to bring on someone who has scored 4 times in a season is a good position to be in? I'd rather not thanks.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:25 am

Roger Red Hat » Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:22 am wrote:you think if we're struggling for goals having the option to bring on someone who has scored 4 times in a season is a good position to be in? I'd rather not thanks.


It's better than having no option.

Let's not forget before we bought him he scored at a decent rate in the prem when fit and confident.

Andy was mis managed last season. When he found a bit of form and confidence he looked a proper cf
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Postby Kenny Kan » Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:11 pm

I've come full circle with this idea, I don't think it will be as half a big loss if Rodgers moves him on, not the way people on here are making it out to be anyway.
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Postby bunglemark2 » Thu Aug 30, 2012 1:20 pm

Roger Red Hat » Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:22 am wrote:you think if we're struggling for goals having the option to bring on someone who has scored 4 times in a season is a good position to be in? I'd rather not thanks.


I think scoring 4 times in a season, with a dysfunctional team around him, no Suarez, Gerrard missing half the time, Downing underperforming etc....
What do you expect - bloody miracles ? Carroll isn't gonna dance from one box to the other, ghost past 6-7 players and slot it calmly in the back of the onion sack. That's not the player he was, is or will be.
BUT - he offers another option. If Plan A does not work (let's face it - we don't have Xavi, Iniesta etc. to make it work) then you can't force it to work if you haven't got players who are as comfortable on the ball as they are scratching their nads in front of the TV.
You can't just have ONE Plan. It doesn't work in life, in business....and not in football, unless you are Barca !

Carroll is young. If he has an appetite for it from what he is saying, give him a go.
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Postby maguskwt » Thu Aug 30, 2012 1:21 pm

I just don't understand what people sees in carroll. Even lukaku seems more of a threat than Carroll Ffs. All I see when caroll plays is jumping and executing half headers which is most of the time not on target. If Carroll needs so much confidence to play decent, he's not gonna get there seeing he's not starting games. It is better to cut the losses and reinvest in a striker that will be able to play BR's system. Look at how Allen had made such a significant impact to the team...
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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Thu Aug 30, 2012 1:31 pm

if clint dempsey and borini are considered plan A then i dont see why carroll cant be as well
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Postby maguskwt » Thu Aug 30, 2012 1:58 pm

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:31 pm wrote:if clint dempsey and borini are considered plan A then i dont see why carroll cant be as well


Borini, while he had made some mistakes, is alot more promising striker than Carroll. Already he has shown to be a better fit to the team and a better partner for Suarez. His movement is way better, his instinct is way better and he has more football IQ. On top of that he works his socks off like Kuyt.

As for Dempsey...He had scored like 14 and 20 goals in his previous 2 seasons for freakin Fulham...
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Postby the return of HAS » Thu Aug 30, 2012 1:59 pm

People are talking as if lumping balls up to a target man is the only plan B in football. There are plenty of tactical changes you can make to try and change the course of a game. And if we really want to lump the ball into the box in the last 10 minutes we just stick Coates upfront to cause havoc.
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