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bowolf42 » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:35 pm wrote:Rodgers has handled this situation atrociously, never, ever, should have spouted off about letting him go out on loan and shoud have kept his own counsel until he spoke to the lad personally, really disappointed with him and I am not sure Mourinho would have handled it so badly so he has not learnt that much, 150 page manual? not got a section on how to deal with players Brendan?

clueless ^

If we do get rid of Carroll as expected, we must make it a top priority to sign a top quality wide player. I cant for a second see Suarez playing the wide role or Borini commanding a starting spot so early in his Liverpool days. Losing Carroll, in addition to Kuyt & Maxi would leave us thin in both quantity and quality upfront.

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aCe' wrote:If we do get rid of Carroll as expected, we must make it a top priority to sign a top quality wide player. I cant for a second see Suarez playing the wide role or Borini commanding a starting spot so early in his Liverpool days. Losing Carroll, in addition to Kuyt & Maxi would leave us thin in both quantity and quality upfront.

Dont see why Suarez couldnt play as a WF in a 4-3-3.  Suarez is quick, has great dribbling ability and could still be very dangerous,

playing as a WF is not like a winger.  He wouldnt be sticking to the byline trying to get crosses into the box.

I am pretty sure Suarez played as a RF for Ajax and done very well!

Typical silly season reporting though - all "it is thought" and "appears". Unsurprisingly there is nothing from the club to quote as i think its been made clear its all behind closed doors now. West Ham are reported as denying a deal but i cant find anything quotable from them either.

A quick search for an actual quote brings up one from Rodgers on saturday "There has been a lot written about Andy, but you saw today he's happy to be here and he's worked very well since he's been here.The reality is he's still a Liverpool player, he can fit into how I want to play, and he's happy here. I'm certainly not wishing to push him out of the door.""

Suarez plays across the front line, he never sticks up top so i dont see any problem with him playing as WF, i'm pretty sure he would interchange with the other 2 forwards.

aCe' » Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:19 pm wrote:I cant for a second see Suarez playing the wide role.

You've been saying this for a while, aCe', but as far as I can recall, Suarez has played on the left for both Ajax and at times for Uruguay. Frankly, with his skill set I should think he'd capable of performing to his best right across the front line so long we're asking him to drift inside and join in with the attacks, rather than playing a conventional wide role. If we are going to offload Carroll I would be happy with us signing another striker and playing Suarez high up one side (left, so he can cut in) of a 4-3-3.

If this is true I believe it is a big mistake
I honestly hope this doesnt come back to bite us on the ar'se

he wont go to west ham as its a step down from the level he's currently at.he will dig the heels in until he forces a move to newcastle and the owners wont want that in case they finish higher than us and he scores 20 and helps fire them to the cl.
most fans want him to stay and feel he can be of use to us next year and he should be given that chance.he wont devalue that much in a season but what is devaluing him is the club hawking him around on loan deals with options to buy at the end.are we really stuck for 2 million quid and the 80k wage he earns? if we are then we have got the equivalent of the glaziers.
he wants to be here and is committed to us + he knows he has to up his game next season so would it really hurt rodgers to give him that chance or is it that he hasnt got an option as they wont give him any or little money that he needs to buy his players.
this situation has gotten beyond embarrassing for both the player and club.

yeah suarez has regularly played on the left of a front three for uruguay with cavani on the right and forlan down the middle. we see him regularly doing damage from an inside left position (see the goal against stoke in the carling cup as a prime example). borini is also capable of playing this role so it appears that we're looking at players who are versatile in an attacking sense.

we do need another forward if carroll goes though so if he does go somebody must be lined up to replace him otherwise it would make no sense.

stmichael » Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:59 pm wrote:yeah suarez has regularly played on the left of a front three for uruguay with cavani on the right and forlan down the middle. we see him regularly doing damage from an inside left position (see the goal against stoke in the carling cup as a prime example). borini is also capable of playing this role so it appears that we're looking at players who are versatile in an attacking sense.

we do need another forward if carroll goes though so if he does go somebody must be lined up to replace him otherwise it would make no sense.

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celtic-red! » Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:33 am wrote:whou

aCe' wrote:If we do get rid of Carroll as expected, we must make it a top priority to sign a top quality wide player. I cant for a second see Suarez playing the wide role or Borini commanding a starting spot so early in his Liverpool days. Losing Carroll, in addition to Kuyt & Maxi would leave us thin in both quantity and quality upfront.

Dont see why Suarez couldnt play as a WF in a 4-3-3.  Suarez is quick, has great dribbling ability and could still be very dangerous,

playing as a WF is not like a winger.  He wouldnt be sticking to the byline trying to get crosses into the box.

Disregarding the obvious fact of him not being used to the position and it being a gamble how effective he would be, I can still find 3 major problems with Suarez playing the wide role..

1) When we dont have possession, I dont trust that Suarez has it in him (in terms of awareness and positioning) to track the fullback.
2) Who do we have who is better at the central role ? Before anyone says Borini, the 2 are not even comparable in terms of scoring record, experience, ability...etc. Not to mention the fact that Borini is new to the club and has never played at the highest level consistently wherever he has been.
3)  Why? What do we stand to get out of it ? It's been repeated over and over that Suarez will likely be moved to the flank but I just dont understand it. His best work is done from deeper positions where he can receive the ball and run at the (usually) slower centerbacks committing them and opening up the central space for other players. Moving him to the flank if anything would limit his option on the ball. Would also force him to cut in repeatedly making him much more predictable and probably leading to us losing possession more often than not. He's not that good a passer of the ball and if anything he's usually guilty of not passing it when the pass is on. Can see him and us being frustrated by that especially if we dont have a top striker in the central role.

All in all, instead of building our attacking force around Borini I'd rather bring players in to support Suarez playing the central role. He's a proven goal scorer and if we can improve the creative players around him (the wide players) then I can see him becoming much more effective in his current role.

LFC2007 » Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:50 am wrote:

aCe' » Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:19 pm wrote:I cant for a second see Suarez playing the wide role.

You've been saying this for a while, aCe', but as far as I can recall, Suarez has played on the left for both Ajax and at times for Uruguay. Frankly, with his skill set I should think he'd capable of performing to his best right across the front line so long we're asking him to drift inside and join in with the attacks, rather than playing a conventional wide role. If we are going to offload Carroll I would be happy with us signing another striker and playing Suarez high up one side (left, so he can cut in) of a 4-3-3.

Consistently he hasn't. Even for Uruguay (where he has been used in a wide role a few times) he was never as effective as he has been in the central role. Uruguay had the problem of trying to fit 3 top strikers (Forlan was quality at the time) and tried Suarez down the flank to achieve that. Soon they realized it wasnt as effective and started either playing Forlan in a more reserved role behind Suarez and Cavani or playing Forlan/Suarez without Cavani. Worked out pretty well for them.

As for Ajax, I havent watched all their games but from what I've seen his last year or two when he shined for them, he was always played in a central role.

Roger Red Hat » Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:40 pm wrote:

bowolf42 » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:35 pm wrote:Rodgers has handled this situation atrociously, never, ever, should have spouted off about letting him go out on loan and shoud have kept his own counsel until he spoke to the lad personally, really disappointed with him and I am not sure Mourinho would have handled it so badly so he has not learnt that much, 150 page manual? not got a section on how to deal with players Brendan?

clueless ^

Clueless. In what way you Yorkshire tw@t?

aCe' » Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:27 pm wrote:
Consistently he hasn't. Even for Uruguay (where he has been used in a wide role a few times) he was never as effective as he has been in the central role. Uruguay had the problem of trying to fit 3 top strikers (Forlan was quality at the time) and tried Suarez down the flank to achieve that. Soon they realized it wasnt as effective and started either playing Forlan in a more reserved role behind Suarez and Cavani or playing Forlan/Suarez without Cavani. Worked out pretty well for them.

As for Ajax, I havent watched all their games but from what I've seen his last year or two when he shined for them, he was always played in a central role.

How were you able watch him play during his last year or two with Ajax, whilsting watching us at the same time as watching Seria 'A', La Liga, international football etc.? 

I believe he has consistently play wide in a 4-3-3 for Ajax (if I could be ar'sed I might check), and for Uruguay, although it isn't the be all and end all if he hasn't. All it would really mean if he has is that other managers have thought him capable in that role and that he's probably got a fair understanding of the position. If he hasn't, then it's not to say that he couldn't be utilised there to good effect for us. I see Suarez as a very versatile player. To play wide in a 4-3-3, you need a little more pace than if you're playing central and you need to know when to move inside to pick the ball up, but it's not like playing wide in a 4-4-2.  In a 4-3-3, with the extra midfielder in behind and the full backs bombing forward, there is more opportunity to drift into central positions and cause problems from there. Even if turns out not to be his best position, as long as it maximises the team's potential, that's all that matters. It's definitely something worth considering, in my opinion.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jul/30/andy-carroll-west-ham-liverpool?

You fucking tell em Big Man .....

Something really stinks about this ,and I'm blaming the owners .