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D___C » Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:59 am wrote:80 million spent on players we are looking to offload...

who would they be then?

mkingdom » Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:26 am wrote:

D___C » Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:59 am wrote:

friendlyguy33 » Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:30 pm wrote:
I must say I find the Brendan Rodgers era so far a most unappealing one.

As opposed to the Kenny era that put us in this mess?

In terms of damage, Kenny's era did more more than any other in my 20 years supporting the club (on the field... 110 million spent and made the team worse, lowest PL finish ever, 80 million spent on players we are looking to offload... off the field... terrible at dealing with the media, gave a curmudgeonly/miserable image of the club.

Such was the waste the new owners have reigned in the spending. Rodgers is having to look at cheaper options thanks to Kenny's splurge on pap.

Kenny failed. Rodgers is having to undo the damage he has been left with. He will need time before any judgement can be made.

Sigh....another "Liverpool spent £110m" comment.

I am not defending Kenny's signings at all, as the league table does not lie, but really, let's once and for all get rid of this Sky headline grabbing nonsense that Kenny spent £110m.

He sold Torres £50m, Babel £9m, Mereiles £10m, plus a few other odds and sods.  He also reduced the wage bill by about £30m a year.  This does not make his signings any better, but let's get the maths right.

Sorry mate, but that argument is a bit draft. You are basically saying its ok to waste money. It isn't, and that's why Kenny is gone.

Yes we got money back, but we sold some valuable assets to get it.

mkingdom » Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:26 am wrote:

D___C » Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:59 am wrote:

friendlyguy33 » Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:30 pm wrote:
I must say I find the Brendan Rodgers era so far a most unappealing one.

As opposed to the Kenny era that put us in this mess?

In terms of damage, Kenny's era did more more than any other in my 20 years supporting the club (on the field... 110 million spent and made the team worse, lowest PL finish ever, 80 million spent on players we are looking to offload... off the field... terrible at dealing with the media, gave a curmudgeonly/miserable image of the club.

Such was the waste the new owners have reigned in the spending. Rodgers is having to look at cheaper options thanks to Kenny's splurge on pap.

Kenny failed. Rodgers is having to undo the damage he has been left with. He will need time before any judgement can be made.

Sigh....another "Liverpool spent £110m" comment.

I am not defending Kenny's signings at all, as the league table does not lie, but really, let's once and for all get rid of this Sky headline grabbing nonsense that Kenny spent £110m.

He sold Torres £50m, Babel £9m, Mereiles £10m, plus a few other odds and sods.  He also reduced the wage bill by about £30m a year.  This does not make his signings any better, but let's get the maths right.

Oh dear... so if i bring in 3k per month and spend 2k... then ive only spent 1k? Yippeeee.. im using that excuse the next time i splurge on garbage.

As an Accountant (not that this relevant on any level as a primary school student would be aware of this) you look at both income and expenditure. Kenny spent 110 million, 80 million of it on pap. Now as regards income, that 50 million was our money, not Torres money, not Dalglish's money. We developed and improved a player to the point where he became a 50 million liquid asset. As for Mereiles he is ten times the player Henderson is. Kenny chucked that money down the sewer, and in terms of restrictions on money available Rodgers has felt the ramifications of it.

In most fans best XI next season... none of Carroll (35m), Downing (20m) or Henderson (17m) feature in it. Thats 72m (just on fees... the geordie alone picks up 4.5m per year in wages) that we are looking to offload (Tony Evans). Coates has barely played so the jury is out on that one.

Kennys legendary status has allowed him to escape the scrutiny from many of our fans that others would have got. He was a disaster and Rodgers is having to pick up the pieces.

Since when are we looking to offload Henderson or Downing ? Carroll will also go only if the deal is good.

Kenny won the clubs it's first trophy in 6 years.

All three players are available.

I wouldn't have said anything against Kenny, and i have largely refrained from doing so thus far. But when you have people hammering Rodgers before he has even started (when he is faced with a daunting task of having to clean up the mess left by Kenny as well as Hodgson/Rafas last 2 yrs), some perspective is needed.

Due to mismanagement and awful decisions we have been a sinking ship for 3 years. Rodgers needs both time and support.

Who told you that Henderson and Downing are available ?

Kenny is no longer the manager so time to stop the crucifying of him. Last year Liverpool won a trophy.

D_C If you are indeed an accountant then pity help your clients. If I bring in £3k per month and spend £2k then I still have £1k left unlike you the accountant who claims to have actually  spent £1k when in reality you have spent £2k but your net expenditure is -£1k?  Yes Kenny spent £100m and the club rightly took full advantage of selling a very disgruntled and long time out of form Torres for £50m. Ignoring net spend suits you because you are a complete joke of a supporter and really haven't got a clue. Still convinced your a bitter lad! Accountant my ars.e !!!!

In most fans best XI next season... none of Carroll (35m), Downing (20m) or Henderson (17m) feature in it.

Sorry but your stance is the furthest from "most" fans. If the sample on this site is anything to go by, you have about 1% support, 2% max.

You know very little in fact. Liverpool Echo recently went with this article -

'I look at the young kid Jordan Henderson who got a wee bit of stick last year but do you know what, this is a boy who was 21 years of age,' Rodgers told the Liverpool Echo.

'I thought when I first saw him at Sunderland that this kid is going to be a really good player. He's coming to a massive club and massive expectation.

'He moves away from home, he is on his own and he has to be a world beater straight away. It was never going to happen.'
Rodgers reckons he can help Henderson improve when he puts his stamp on the Reds.

He added: 'This kid can play football. If he is in a certain system - in an environment which is going to help him and educate him in the game - you will see that.
'The biggest thing for me that I've heard about Jordan is his attitude. He has got an incredible attitude.

'If you have got a player like that who has got the ability and the thirst to learn - he can run all day, he is physically good, he is strong, he is quick - and you can remodel him.'

Seriously, you need a brain scan.

I think Carroll has been harshly dealt with. I mean, all players deserve the chance to show what they can do, and be assessed as to how well they can adapt to a new style of playing. IMO, I think Carroll could adapt successfully into a player that Rodgers would like. Carroll does have a good touch, and was just beginning to show confidence toward the end of last season and during the Euro's.

I hope he stays, let' see what happens.

Kash_Mountain » Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:57 pm wrote:I think Carroll has been harshly dealt with. I mean, all players deserve the chance to show what they can do, and be assessed as to how well they can adapt to a new style of playing. IMO, I think Carroll could adapt successfully into a player that Rodgers would like. Carroll does have a good touch, and was just beginning to show confidence toward the end of last season and during the Euro's.

I hope he stays, let' see what happens.

I agree!!

some disgraceful posts about kenny in here, yeah i`m sure fsg gave him £50m to spend on whoever he wanted when he was interim manager and only about 2 weeks into the job. 
half of the whoppers on here wouldnt even be supporting the club if kenny hadnt have turned this club around from being the biggest pariahs in international sport into a respected football institution again.
i wouldnt mind but even in this `disasterous` reign everyone is going on about he took over a club hovering above the relegation zone and took them to 2nd in the form table and then the following season took the club to both domestic cup finals winning one of them which was our first trophy in 6 years.
unbelievable it really is.

Just in relation to the Kenny thrashing thats gone on here by one forum member in particular.....  Quite obviously too much was paid for Carroll but selling Torres for 50 million was great business.  Henderson is developing and will come good.  For me Downing has been the greatest let down.  After inheriting a shambles Kenny got us to two cup finals, winning one (our first silverware for six years).  Despite the poor league form that would have been an impressive first full season for any manager trying to rebuild Liverpool.  I don't think Kenny deserves criticism for what he tried to achieve and how he went about it.  I don't care what people think.  Given all Kenny has done for Liverpool F.C. and the city of Liverpool I think the man is beyond criticism and as the Rodgers era begins I believe Liverpool fans should get over the fact that he didn't click his fingers and win the title last year and instead remember him as a great Liverpool legend.

Just how egotistical and full of their own self importance must a person be to suggest he speaks for the majority of fans ?  Especially when his opinions are
largely based on the denigration of one particular player ,who for anyone with the tiniest iota of football knowledge is clearly on the cusp of iconic status .
Deranged Cretin

Sean » Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:24 pm wrote:I don't care what people think.  Given all Kenny has done for Liverpool F.C. and the city of Liverpool I think the man is beyond criticism .

Thats a ridiculous statement to make after all your meant to be a liverpool fc fan so if it doesnt go the way it should for us people have to take the blame Kenny included.

I think the man himself would agree

D___C » Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:32 pm wrote:All three players are available.

I wouldn't have said anything against Kenny, and i have largely refrained from doing so thus far. But when you have people hammering Rodgers before he has even started (when he is faced with a daunting task of having to clean up the mess left by Kenny as well as Hodgson/Rafas last 2 yrs), some perspective is needed.

Due to mismanagement and awful decisions we have been a sinking ship for 3 years. Rodgers needs both time and support.

Henderson isnt available especially after the comments made by Rodgers not so long ago