Liverpool FC Forum

metalhead » Mon May 21, 2012 2:34 pm wrote:Tony Evans been criticizing them on twitter, he has been livid since Kenny got the sack. He also said some interesting stuff about January, that Kenny was surprised he didn't get the money in January and the owners are stalling regarding the stadium. He thinks FSG are not the right people in the club and voiced the same concerns of some fans that they would scrap trophies over $$$

I always find Tony Evans the most miserable git on Twitter going. Tony Barrett is far more reasoned and objective.

As for his concerns I echo them but in a far lesser state. FSG aren't moving as fast as I would want, I accept that. But do I want them out? Definitely not!

I personally think they should have given Kenny another season however they didn't buy this club to support us, they bought us as a business. They saw our heritage and potential and noticed a discrepancy about our current standing in world football. They saw value in our club, value to succeed and make money. All the evidence of their current and previous endeavours within the world of sport show that they can succeed, I am not ready to doubt that with us right now.

However I am willing to persevere in the knowledge that greatness will not return over night. Forcing these guys out now would devastate this club for years to come, quite frankly their rescue of this club through the legal battles against the cowboys before is reason alone to be patient.

come on people... these guys aren't stupid. they know as well as we do that the appointment of the next manager is absolutely critical and i'm happy to see that they are giving it a good mulling over instead of just rushing headlong into a replacement. its all to easy to be suspicious after the previous bunch of yanks but we're way better off this time round. besides, we'll never get another owner with such a fit wife. lets be thankful for small mercies, eh?

Talksport have Martin Lipton (from the Daily Mirror)on today from 8pm and part of the discussion will be about our club etc. May be worth listening too....

Tony "China buys Liverpool" Evans has stolen a living. Journalism is an easy job ("you got grade C GCSE?.. heres a job"). He lets emotion dictate his viewpoints hence they are usually flawed.

Having said that, he is right to have misgivings about FSG because first and foremost they are investors. They are here to maximise their bank balance. Fair enough you may say, but I cannot think of a good owner (in this sport) that is an investor. The best owners are wealthy benefactors who give out money and dont expect a return. There are three clubs competing for the title... Man City (benefactor), Chelsea (benefactor).. the other is Man U (owner fleecing them) who are only competing due to the excellent way they were run in the 1990s by Edwards and co. who maximised club income with stadium expansion, successful marketing/merchandise. Man U are a rare exception due to the money the club generates.

A western owner is not a good one as ultimately their aim is to take money out. I cant see us competing with these guys in charge for that simple reason.

D___C » Tue May 22, 2012 7:22 pm wrote:Tony "China buys Liverpool" Evans has stolen a living. Journalism is an easy job ("you got grade C GCSE?.. heres a job"). He lets emotion dictate his viewpoints hence they are usually flawed.

Having said that, he is right to have misgivings about FSG because first and foremost they are investors. They are here to maximise their bank balance. Fair enough you may say, but I cannot think of a good owner (in this sport) that is an investor. The best owners are wealthy benefactors who give out money and dont expect a return. There are three clubs competing for the title... Man City (benefactor), Chelsea (benefactor).. the other is Man U (owner fleecing them) who are only competing due to the excellent way they were run in the 1990s by Edwards and co. who maximised club income with stadium expansion, successful marketing/merchandise. Man U are a rare exception due to the money the club generates.

A western owner is not a good one as ultimately their aim is to take money out. I cant see us competing with these guys in charge for that simple reason.

You can pine for a sugar-daddy if you want, that's not what I want for my club.

D___C » Tue May 22, 2012 7:22 pm wrote:Tony "China buys Liverpool" Evans has stolen a living. Journalism is an easy job ("you got grade C GCSE?.. heres a job"). He lets emotion dictate his viewpoints hence they are usually flawed.

Having said that, he is right to have misgivings about FSG because first and foremost they are investors. They are here to maximise their bank balance. Fair enough you may say, but I cannot think of a good owner (in this sport) that is an investor. The best owners are wealthy benefactors who give out money and dont expect a return. There are three clubs competing for the title... Man City (benefactor), Chelsea (benefactor).. the other is Man U (owner fleecing them) who are only competing due to the excellent way they were run in the 1990s by Edwards and co. who maximised club income with stadium expansion, successful marketing/merchandise. Man U are a rare exception due to the money the club generates.

A western owner is not a good one as ultimately their aim is to take money out. I cant see us competing with these guys in charge for that simple reason.

We're a completely different kettle of fish to Chelsea and Man City. In fact, we're much closer to Man Utd in terms of our business potential.

If it needed any re-inforcing, then all the surveys show that we have one of the most valuable brands in world football, certainly by comparison with Chelsea and Man City. Not only that, but we have a much larger fanbase that means we'll be able to fill more seats should we eventually build a new stadium, and our potential in key markets like Asia far exceeds anything Chelsea or Man City will ever likely be capable of matching. Meeting those challenges is not beyond us provided FSG are prepared to invest the required amounts to build a stadium and in the team to get us regular top four football that'll be a key part of the plan. That needn't cost them a billion quid, though the right choice of manager will be key.

One further point that you've overlooked is that we haven't yet seen how Chelsea's and Man City's ownership situations play out in the long-run. What happens if Abramovich or the Sheikhs pull the plug, with their wage bills as high they are? They may decide to stay and invest long enough to make them sustainable by themselves, but that's a long way off, and if UEFA have any gumption they'll also have the FFP rules to contend with, which should be to our advantage.

Don't think i've ever been as disillusioned with the club as right now.

I have a terrible feeling we were sold a pup with these owners. They have no idea about the sport they are in, that much is clear.

Appointing Kenny due to fan power. Kenny was 10 years out of the game and sunnying himself on a boat. Complete lack of leadership... "you dont know what your doing.. you dont know what your doing"
Sanctioned 110million spent on players whom no other owner in their right mind would. They didnt have a clue about player worth.
Appointing a director of football (dont work in this country, dont work anywhere). Appointing one was bad enough, appointing a FAILED one just compounded it.
Sack manager after one full season (not just that, but to do that to a manager whom u allowed spend over 110million and so are his players...not allowing time to bed in, also the new manager may want nothing to do with them)... bizarre.

None of that should have happened.

Theres no word on the stadium (apparently they have gone back to the cheap generic bowl design... if it gets built). They wouldnt sanction spending in January when we had no half decent defensive midfielder at the club which resulted in Jay Spearing, arguably the worst regular ive seen at the club in my lifetime, wear the jersey.

And now they are conducting a dozen interviews for the managers job...yes because any manager worth their salt would agree to this process. "you dont know what your doing". They are clueless about the sport. They dont have deep pockets. Ultimately they are investors who know nothing about us, saw an opportunity to buy us on the cheap, and hope to make a decent return.

FSG don't have deep pockets? No of course not, they're just a bunch of American multi-billionaires, their pockets aren't deep at all. One of FSG's members owns AS Roma and The New York Times Company has a stake in FSG.

You're right they are investors, this club is an asset to them and they are going to do everything they can to ensure their assets is as valuable as possible, that means they'll be looking as seeing us winning trophies in particular the league and the CL to generate as much revenue as possible. Now, if FSG get us winning major trophies again, I have no problem with them slipping a few million each into their pockets. As long as they run our club like a business, have us in profit and are making successful on and off the pitch, then they're welcome to their bonuses and money.

People say they no nothing about football, nothing about our club, this may or may not be true, but they sure know how to run a business and they'll look to make us as valuable and as successful as possible.

Another thing that annoys me is some fans are never happy. If FSG didn't give £110m worth of investment to Dalglish to spend, they'd be classified as another Hicks and Gillett, they give Kenny the backing he needs and they are criticised for that. They have taken more than week to find a possible replacement manager, they're being criticised for that. They are operating behind closed doors, the way businesses operate, they're criticised for that too. They don't back the manager in January because they had clearly lost faith in him, they probably saw Dalglish's incompetence in handling the Suarez racism row incident as being detrimental to the brand of Liverpool football club, as well as the image! Yet they proceed with Kenny until the end of the season, they're criticised for that. These owners just cannot win, no matter what side of the fence supporters sit, there appears to be a growing dissatisfaction with FSG.

Boxscarf » Thu May 24, 2012 9:08 pm wrote:Another thing that annoys me is some fans are never happy. If FSG didn't give £110m worth of investment to Dalglish to spend, they'd be classified as another Hicks and Gillett, they give Kenny the backing he needs and they are criticised for that. They have taken more than week to find a possible replacement manager, they're being criticised for that. They are operating behind closed doors, the way businesses operate, they're criticised for that too. They don't back the manager in January because they had clearly lost faith in him, they probably saw Dalglish's incompetence in handling the Suarez racism row incident as being detrimental to the brand of Liverpool football club, as well as the image! Yet they proceed with Kenny until the end of the season, they're criticised for that. These owners just cannot win, no matter what side of the fence supporters sit, there appears to be a growing dissatisfaction with FSG.

Do they pay you to say stuff like this?

No Thommo's Perm, I'm just not an ungrateful person. These people saved our club from going into administration. You can quite rightly say they brought us on the cheap, they see us as having great marketing potential and they want to make money from the club. However, what's the problem with this if they turn us into serious title challengers on all fronts and have us back in the European mix? It's a win-win situation. Our supporters get to watch us being successful on the pitch and FSG get to enjoy the perks that come with successful clubs off the pitch. I really do not see the problem, nor do I see the problem with them running us like a business and making business decisions without a shred of sentimentality in their outcomes. I welcome FSG because I feel they are going to modernise our football club which is what it needs in order to have a successful future. The last thing this club needs to become is a relic, a reminder of what once was. We need to be modern, dynamic and we need to see more pots in the cabinet and that won't happen whilst being run as if we were a small fish mongers in Plymouth.

I am optimistic of a brighter future for our club with  John W. Henry and Tom Werner leading the line.

Boxscarf » Thu May 24, 2012 9:08 pm wrote:Another thing that annoys me is some fans are never happy. If FSG didn't give £110m worth of investment to Dalglish to spend, they'd be classified as another Hicks and Gillett, they give Kenny the backing he needs and they are criticised for that. They have taken more than week to find a possible replacement manager, they're being criticised for that. They are operating behind closed doors, the way businesses operate, they're criticised for that too. They don't back the manager in January because they had clearly lost faith in him, they probably saw Dalglish's incompetence in handling the Suarez racism row incident as being detrimental to the brand of Liverpool football club, as well as the image! Yet they proceed with Kenny until the end of the season, they're criticised for that. These owners just cannot win, no matter what side of the fence supporters sit, there appears to be a growing dissatisfaction with FSG.

for a start most of that transfer money came from player sales, they spent about £30m of their own money but according to fans who study this type of thing apparently they`ve cut £30m off the wage bill so they are near enough even.
they want to look at themselves first over the suarez situation as well, you cant tell me that over an issue as serious as race that they werent part of the decision making process?
the suarez saga really went into meltdown that day when the players wore those t shirts and the club released that belligerent statement, you cant tell me that wasnt given the okay at a high level. kenny was hung out to dry by the owners over that.

Boxscarf » Thu May 24, 2012 9:18 pm wrote:No Thommo's Perm, I'm just not an ungrateful person. These people saved our club from going into administration. You can quite rightly say they brought us on the cheap, they see us as having great marketing potential and they want to make money from the club. However, what's the problem with this if they turn us into serious title challengers on all fronts and have us back in the European mix? It's a win-win situation. Our supporters get to watch us being successful on the pitch and FSG get to enjoy the perks that come with successful clubs off the pitch. I really do not see the problem, nor do I see the problem with them running us like a business and making business decisions without a shred of sentimentality in their outcomes. I welcome FSG because I feel they are going to modernise our football club which is what it needs in order to have a successful future. The last thing this club needs to become is a relic, a reminder of what once was. We need to be modern, dynamic and we need to see more pots in the cabinet and that won't happen whilst being run as if we were a small fish mongers in Plymouth.

I am optimistic of a brighter future for our club with  John W. Henry and Tom Werner leading the line.

Oh youre gooooooood
I heard the star spangled banner as I read that

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Thu May 24, 2012 9:21 pm wrote:

Boxscarf » Thu May 24, 2012 9:08 pm wrote:Another thing that annoys me is some fans are never happy. If FSG didn't give £110m worth of investment to Dalglish to spend, they'd be classified as another Hicks and Gillett, they give Kenny the backing he needs and they are criticised for that. They have taken more than week to find a possible replacement manager, they're being criticised for that. They are operating behind closed doors, the way businesses operate, they're criticised for that too. They don't back the manager in January because they had clearly lost faith in him, they probably saw Dalglish's incompetence in handling the Suarez racism row incident as being detrimental to the brand of Liverpool football club, as well as the image! Yet they proceed with Kenny until the end of the season, they're criticised for that. These owners just cannot win, no matter what side of the fence supporters sit, there appears to be a growing dissatisfaction with FSG.

for a start most of that transfer money came from player sales, they spent about £30m of their own money but according to fans who study this type of thing apparently they`ve cut £30m off the wage bill so they are near enough even.
they want to look at themselves first over the suarez situation as well, you cant tell me that over an issue as serious as race that they werent part of the decision making process?
the suarez saga really went into meltdown that day when the players wore those t shirts and the club released that belligerent statement, you cant tell me that wasnt given the okay at a high level. kenny was hung out to dry by the owners over that.

Ive no doubt that KK, having had time to think, knows that he was set up by FSG who were waiting for something to happen so they could sack him.
The silence from them during that time was deafening

Kenny hung himself out to dry over the Suarez racism incident with his aggressive nature during that period. Liverpool also made themselves look like morons when they were adamant that Suarez was innocent and when came the opportunity to appeal Suarez's ban, Liverpool cowered like a small kitten and agreed with the suspension therefore accepting Suarez's guilty verdict. I believe FSG have little do with the day-to-day running of the club that falls to people like Ian Ayre. I believe that FSG constantly assess situations surrounding the club throughout the course of the season and then have an end-of-season review to see what needs alterating, what can be improved, what went well.

The criticism that FSG have had to endure over the last few weeks is a disgrace and people should be ashamed of themselves. I hope FSG make us successful, because I just want people like the Leprachun man and Benny the Noon to eat a rather large slice of humble pie.