Liverpool FC Forum

RedAnt » Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:46 pm wrote:

alwayslfc » Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:57 am wrote:Can anyone enlighten me on why we are a WorkInProgress? I disagree with it. To me, it's a lame excuse for supporting KD no matter what. Reason for my disagreement is this and I cite 2 examples. Look at Mourinho who landed with the Chelsea job in summer of 2004, he was the new manager at Chelsea who took over from Rainieri who left Chelsea in an 'unsatisfactory' state and he won the PL with them in his first 2 seasons. You could say they were a work in progress when Mourinho took over.

Look at A.Pardew at Newcastle. He took over from Hughton who was sacked and you can say Newcastle was a work in progress, yet now, looks like they will qualify for CL if Spurs continue with their rot like Liverpool. And yet Pardew never spent 120 million on players, just a great scouting system. Newcastle have made Liverpool blush.

So Liverpool are a 'work in progress' and looks like we'll be lucky to finish 10th this season. If Kenny wants to continue for one more season, he would better come out with a b.loody good reason on why FSG should not sack him.

Chelsea tossed money at just about any player who has legs. They won the title quickly with a team of mercenaries subsidised by Abramovich's oil billions, not through hard work, or loyalty, or faith, or passion. A lot of those players and indeed the manager are no longer at Chelsea. So in a counter question, perhaps you can enlighten us to how such a 'disposable' set up would serve us better?

Well it might serve in winning us the league for starters and why is it that Maureen's team didn't need time to "gel" when Kenny's does? Also maybe explain why Pardew's signings haven't needed time to gel?

heimdall » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:55 pm wrote:

RedAnt » Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:46 pm wrote:

alwayslfc » Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:57 am wrote:Can anyone enlighten me on why we are a WorkInProgress? I disagree with it. To me, it's a lame excuse for supporting KD no matter what. Reason for my disagreement is this and I cite 2 examples. Look at Mourinho who landed with the Chelsea job in summer of 2004, he was the new manager at Chelsea who took over from Rainieri who left Chelsea in an 'unsatisfactory' state and he won the PL with them in his first 2 seasons. You could say they were a work in progress when Mourinho took over.

Look at A.Pardew at Newcastle. He took over from Hughton who was sacked and you can say Newcastle was a work in progress, yet now, looks like they will qualify for CL if Spurs continue with their rot like Liverpool. And yet Pardew never spent 120 million on players, just a great scouting system. Newcastle have made Liverpool blush.

So Liverpool are a 'work in progress' and looks like we'll be lucky to finish 10th this season. If Kenny wants to continue for one more season, he would better come out with a b.loody good reason on why FSG should not sack him.

Chelsea tossed money at just about any player who has legs. They won the title quickly with a team of mercenaries subsidised by Abramovich's oil billions, not through hard work, or loyalty, or faith, or passion. A lot of those players and indeed the manager are no longer at Chelsea. So in a counter question, perhaps you can enlighten us to how such a 'disposable' set up would serve us better?

Well it might serve in winning us the league for starters and why is it that Maureen's team didn't need time to "gel" when Kenny's does? Also maybe explain why Pardew's signings haven't needed time to gel?

Expalin why Mancini's does ffs, swings  and roundabouts.

To splash money around like there's no tomorrow like Chelsea and City is one solution, but management must know how to handle the players and keep them in the club, not spoil them. And don't fire your manager if he fails to win the Pl just once like Chelsea with Ancelotti and Mourinho. Well Chelsea are already in the CL final and could win it and the FA cup as well. Doesn't that tell you money makes the world go round? I am not saying this is the only way, but it works provided you know how to handle the players and keep them happy.

Pardew's team doesn't need time to gel and by Liverpool's definition, are also a Work In Progress. Why are they on the verge of finishing 4th and we're going to finish 9th and we spent far more hundreds of millions than them. So like I said before, Kenny would better come up with a best reason on why FSG should not sack him and give him another season to redeem himself.

heimdall » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:52 pm wrote:
erm yes, since you haven't actually given any reasons, just complete and utter blind faith *****. he's Kenny therefore he is the best ever ever ever.   

The lad has provided you with the best answer he can deliver ,if faith and belief are considered two of Liverpool supporters most admirable
traits ,then why the fuck are they concepts that are quite clearly alien to you ?

Liverpool Football Club exists outside the media party line ,its fans don't conform to this "impatient for success" model the media like to bracket
most clubs in the Premiership with ,so why do you continually discredit something that this great club and its unique fans are steeped in ?

Dalglish is here for the long run ,the fans know this and we are more than willing to baffle the bejesus out of our biggest and most bemused
critics and detractors ,so why aren't you ?

In truth I would say RedAnt (who incidentally speaks for a very large part of the fan base )is equally perplexed by your stance 

heimdall » Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:55 pm wrote:

RedAnt » Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:46 pm wrote:

alwayslfc » Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:57 am wrote:Can anyone enlighten me on why we are a WorkInProgress? I disagree with it. To me, it's a lame excuse for supporting KD no matter what. Reason for my disagreement is this and I cite 2 examples. Look at Mourinho who landed with the Chelsea job in summer of 2004, he was the new manager at Chelsea who took over from Rainieri who left Chelsea in an 'unsatisfactory' state and he won the PL with them in his first 2 seasons. You could say they were a work in progress when Mourinho took over.

Look at A.Pardew at Newcastle. He took over from Hughton who was sacked and you can say Newcastle was a work in progress, yet now, looks like they will qualify for CL if Spurs continue with their rot like Liverpool. And yet Pardew never spent 120 million on players, just a great scouting system. Newcastle have made Liverpool blush.

So Liverpool are a 'work in progress' and looks like we'll be lucky to finish 10th this season. If Kenny wants to continue for one more season, he would better come out with a b.loody good reason on why FSG should not sack him.

Chelsea tossed money at just about any player who has legs. They won the title quickly with a team of mercenaries subsidised by Abramovich's oil billions, not through hard work, or loyalty, or faith, or passion. A lot of those players and indeed the manager are no longer at Chelsea. So in a counter question, perhaps you can enlighten us to how such a 'disposable' set up would serve us better?

Well it might serve in winning us the league for starters and why is it that Maureen's team didn't need time to "gel" when Kenny's does? Also maybe explain why Pardew's signings haven't needed time to gel?

newcastles best possible achievement this season will be 4th and that may not be enough to get them into the competition to play some champions league money fixtures.......whereas we have one cup gleaming nicely in the trophy room and possibly another cup to accompany it for a year. Oh I do love a good cup final trip.......

RED BEERGOGGLES » Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:17 am wrote:
Dalglish is here for the long run ,the fans know this and we are more than willing to baffle the bejesus out of our biggest and most bemused
critics and detractors ,so why aren't you ?

In truth I would say RedAnt (who incidentally speaks for a very large part of the fan base )is equally perplexed by your stance 

Absolutley. And I love what you've written here:

"Liverpool Football Club exists outside the media party line ,its fans don't conform to this "impatient for success" model the media like to bracket
most clubs in the Premiership with ,so why do you continually discredit something that this great club and its unique fans are steeped in ?"

We are unique and proud to be unique. I'd love us to win the league, and I know for a fact i'd be much more delighted if we won it through hard work and patience and all the other traits that make us unique as opposed to some sugardaddy coming along and handing us a wad of cash to buy that nice shiney trophy. Is there any supporter over 25 years on this forum who would like to buy the league like Chelsea have and Man City are trying to do? If there are, I don't think there'll be many. I'd feel dirty. As dirty as I feel when Suarez decides to take a tumble in the box. There's no honour, dignity or pride in cheating, and as far as i'm concerned, buying the league trophy is as much cheating as winning a match with an ill-gotten penalty. I'd take no pleasure in either.

As for this part:

"Dalglish is here for the long run ,the fans know this and we are more than willing to baffle the bejesus out of our biggest and most bemused
critics and detractors ,so why aren't you ? "

...well, you've failed to notice that Heimdal is one of our biggest critics and detractors.    So there's your answer.

PS Sorry if it seems i'm picking on you Heimdall, but you do keep mistaking my undieing support and loyalty as "blind faith". I've stated many times that I support Liverpool FC and since Kenny is our manager, I support him by default. I'm not happy with this season. Far from it, as are many of us. Why you keep tossing "blind faith" around as an insult is a lil baffling.

Yup, so many records have been broken. Teams who haven't won at Anfield for 50+ years are all doing it now. The walls of the Anfield fortress are crumbling down to dust and blown away by the wind.

I can now give 2 more reasons for the downfall. One of the chief reasons was old Torres, he ditched us at the last minute of the Jan 2011 window and subsequently we made that over inflated panic buy. If he were still here and partnering up front with Suarez, we would have qualified for CL. Suarez need someone of the Torres calibre to help Liverpool win games. And unfortunately the replacement is a f.ucking joke.

I thank Torres for all the goals he scored for us, but I also hate him for ditching us at the last minute and giving us insufficient time to find a suitable replacement. Up till now, we haven't got that Torres equivalent replacement that we badly need.

The absence of Lucas is another chief reason for the downfall. Have you all noticed Liverpool's downward trend only started after Lucas was out?

RedAnt » Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:56 pm wrote:

RED BEERGOGGLES » Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:17 am wrote:I'd love us to win the league, and I know for a fact i'd be much more delighted if we won it through hard work and patience and all the other traits that make us unique as opposed to some sugardaddy coming along and handing us a wad of cash to buy that nice shiney trophy. Is there any supporter over 25 years on this forum who would like to buy the league like Chelsea have and Man City are trying to do? If there are, I don't think there'll be many. I'd feel dirty.

I thought 100 mill was a nice wad of cash? What about the second highest transfer fee ever paid in the league? The truth is we are not that far away from the likes of chelsea and city, and I doubt there would be any kind of protest if some rich arab made us into their plaything and started buying players left and right. Just like i'm sure city fans made fun of chelsea up until the moment they got their own mr moneybags. Its easy to pretend we are so much better until the same happens here.

I hate how the league is run, but as long as the supporters are happy with the business side of the league nothing will change. The clubs with loads of cash will be happy and the ones that dont will pretend they are so much better for not having it while "secretly" wishing some magical arab will come along to buy their club.

mart » Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:26 pm wrote:

RedAnt » Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:56 pm wrote:

RED BEERGOGGLES » Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:17 am wrote:I'd love us to win the league, and I know for a fact i'd be much more delighted if we won it through hard work and patience and all the other traits that make us unique as opposed to some sugardaddy coming along and handing us a wad of cash to buy that nice shiney trophy. Is there any supporter over 25 years on this forum who would like to buy the league like Chelsea have and Man City are trying to do? If there are, I don't think there'll be many. I'd feel dirty.

I thought 100 mill was a nice wad of cash? What about the second highest transfer fee ever paid in the league? The truth is we are not that far away from the likes of chelsea and city, and I doubt there would be any kind of protest if some rich arab made us into their plaything and started buying players left and right. Just like i'm sure city fans made fun of chelsea up until the moment they got their own mr moneybags. Its easy to pretend we are so much better until the same happens here.

I hate how the league is run, but as long as the supporters are happy with the business side of the league nothing will change. The clubs with loads of cash will be happy and the ones that dont will pretend they are so much better for not having it while "secretly" wishing some magical arab will come along to buy their club.

True mate, and that's exactly why we MUST hold onto who we are. It sounds corny, but it's true. The whole bag o' money thing will work real nice hand in hand with the way we've tried to conduct ourselves as a club since day one. Once we become plastic and disloyal such as Chelsea are, then we become 'just another business'. Money is eating football as we know it. There's gonna be huge changes over the next few decades as business's such as FSG pump money and influence into it. Look how flashy and commercialised american sports are to catch a glimpse of a potential, possibly likely, future for the beautiful game.

That all said, perhaps the future "soccer" wont have room for traditionalists such as myself and many like me.

Boxscarf » Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:31 am wrote:

devaney » Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:02 am wrote:

Sorry lads your completely missing the point! Look at what United did after the rant not what we did.Rafa's rants was United's best motivational speech of the season.

United's best motivation was being able to come ever closer to reaching our record. Their up turn in form had little or nothing to do with Benitez's "rant", it had everything to do with the desire to win yet another league title. All Rafa's "rant" did was add some extra spice to an already spicy rivalry.

That's in your opinion which I just don't happen to agree with. No doubt you will have an answer for the way Rafa man managed Alonso and his misguided purchase of Aquilani.

I'd love us to win the league, and I know for a fact i'd be much more delighted if we won it through hard work and patience and all the other traits that make us unique as opposed to some sugardaddy coming along and handing us a wad of cash to buy that nice shiney trophy. Is there any supporter over 25 years on this forum who would like to buy the league like Chelsea have and Man City are trying to do? If there are, I don't think there'll be many. I'd feel dirty. [/quote][/quote]

I thought 100 mill was a nice wad of cash? What about the second highest transfer fee ever paid in the league? The truth is we are not that far away from the likes of chelsea and city, and I doubt there would be any kind of protest if some rich arab made us into their plaything and started buying players left and right. Just like i'm sure city fans made fun of chelsea up until the moment they got their own mr moneybags. Its easy to pretend we are so much better until the same happens here.

I hate how the league is run, but as long as the supporters are happy with the business side of the league nothing will change. The clubs with loads of cash will be happy and the ones that dont will pretend they are so much better for not having it while "secretly" wishing some magical arab will come along to buy their club.[/quote]

True mate, and that's exactly why we MUST hold onto who we are. It sounds corny, but it's true. The whole bag o' money thing will work real nice hand in hand with the way we've tried to conduct ourselves as a club since day one. Once we become plastic and disloyal such as Chelsea are, then we become 'just another business'. Money is eating football as we know it. There's gonna be huge changes over the next few decades as business's such as FSG pump money and influence into it. Look how flashy and commercialised american sports are to catch a glimpse of a potential, possibly likely, future for the beautiful game.

That all said, perhaps the future "soccer" wont have room for traditionalists such as myself and many like me. [/quote]







Hand on heart would you actually be happier if we were in the conference? I kind of suspect you would because you are more in love with the romance of the club than in our current form or future success. In ther words you are living in the past.

RED BEERGOGGLES » Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:17 am wrote:I'd love us to win the league, and I know for a fact i'd be much more delighted if we won it through hard work and patience and all the other traits that make us unique as opposed to some sugardaddy coming along and handing us a wad of cash to buy that nice shiney trophy. Is there any supporter over 25 years on this forum who would like to buy the league like Chelsea have and Man City are trying to do? If there are, I don't think there'll be many. I'd feel dirty.

As honest as this quote (that has been attributed to me ) is ,I  definitely didn't  write it .
I believe it was posted by  like minded reds fan RedAnt ..... Obviously some confusion in quoting.

heimdall » Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:31 pm wrote:
Hand on heart would you actually be happier if we were in the conference? I kind of suspect you would because you are more in love with the romance of the club than in our current form or future success. In ther words you are living in the past.

Who are you referring too when you make quotes