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Wow that just made no sense, on one hand you say we are great, and players gelling, what games have you been watching btw, then on the other you say our midfield and attack, both assembled by Kenny are the problem. make your mind up please, at least within the same post.

The answer is that we have become an extremely average team, managed by an extremely average manager and unless both these problems are addressed we will remain a mid-table average team.

heimdall » Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:34 pm wrote:Wow that just made no sense, on one hand you say we are great, and players gelling, what games have you been watching btw, then on the other you say our midfield and attack, both assembled by Kenny are the problem. make your mind up please, at least within the same post.

The answer is that we have become an extremely average team, managed by an extremely average manager and unless both these problems are addressed we will remain a mid-table average team.

Will you stop supporting if we stay the way we are?

the manager can't win anyway.

we batter teams off the park, playing some really good stuff but can't stick the ball in the net. apparently it's the "managers fault" that these players can't do the basics properly when it comes to finishing.

on the other hand we went away to man city, stuck 9 behind the ball and got a 1-0 win and the manager still got slaughtered by some fans for being "too defensive".

We are not an average team and Kenny is not an average manager.

Average teams do not create 1 chance every 3 minutes which is what the stats say we did on Sunday.

Average managers do not win the league, something Kenny has done with 2 different teams.

We have been the unluckiest team this year. Watching Match of the day, Alan Shearer summed up our problem by pointing out all the teams below us who have a better goals for record. We have probably hit the woodwork more times than any other team, in any other league, anywhere in the world. It has been ridiculous the amount of bad luck we have had there. Also the decisions by the referees have not gone our way at all, especially since the Suarez fiasco. Dalglish at the start of the season sat with the head of the refs and asked for fairness, since then, we have had nothing, NOTHING. If our players go down in the box, its a dive, if its the opposition, its a penalty. The game against Aston Villa summed it all up on one penalty we should have had. When the ref was asked to explain why he didnt give it he replied "I thought the lad was unlucky". Kenny picked up on this, and his reply where he said "we need to have a player assassinated before we get a decision" is spot on, because we have been screwed this season.

So a lot has gone against us this season, but with regards to our play, we have created loads of chances, and given many teams a game, but between hitting the post and missing altogether, the results show a different story.

heimdall » Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:34 pm wrote:Wow that just made no sense, on one hand you say we are great, and players gelling, what games have you been watching btw, then on the other you say our midfield and attack, both assembled by Kenny are the problem. make your mind up please, at least within the same post.

The answer is that we have become an extremely average team, managed by an extremely average manager and unless both these problems are addressed we will remain a mid-table average team.

Thanks for telling the truth bro.

Kharhaz » Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:16 pm wrote:We have been the unluckiest team this year. Watching Match of the day, Alan Shearer summed up our problem by pointing out all the teams below us who have a better goals for record. We have probably hit the woodwork more times than any other team, in any other league, anywhere in the world. It has been ridiculous the amount of bad luck we have had there. Also the decisions by the referees have not gone our way at all, especially since the Suarez fiasco. Dalglish at the start of the season sat with the head of the refs and asked for fairness, since then, we have had nothing, NOTHING. If our players go down in the box, its a dive, if its the opposition, its a penalty. The game against Aston Villa summed it all up on one penalty we should have had. When the ref was asked to explain why he didnt give it he replied "I thought the lad was unlucky". Kenny picked up on this, and his reply where he said "we need to have a player assassinated before we get a decision" is spot on, because we have been screwed this season.

So a lot has gone against us this season, but with regards to our play, we have created loads of chances, and given many teams a game, but between hitting the post and missing altogether, the results show a different story.

Seriously man. After 30 games or so still blaming the weather, the woodwork, poor referees, chance, bad luck, the linesman, and ohhh did i mention bad luck?

30 games, relegation form, poor man management, poor fitness level, few open chances, deep defensive line, no pressing, lack of flair and creativity, no gameplan, no tactics, no team only individuals, poor crossing, miserable signings, hundreds of millions squandered, bad set pieces, blind favouritism, This is what I see.

The worst development I have witnessed in my lifetime, going from good, todecent, to rotten in 2 years. Still saved by the Benitez remains in Reina, Lucas, Skrtl, Agger, Maxi, Kuyt. Take away these guys and hello Championship.

Walk on water, walk on water I say and on we go towards the abyss together with the One

Its no different to people who blame Kenny. Or indeed those Rafa worshippers who insist to this day that it was the owners fault as to why Rafa turned us into a one dimensional, boring team who got rid of our best players to entice players like Gareth Barry.

The difference is, what I have pointed out is a simple fact.

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/pre ... l-sack-him

I wonder if this means that Kenny feels that he hasn't gotten the full vote of confidence from the owners.

banana(real one) » Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:57 pm wrote:

Kharhaz » Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:16 pm wrote:We have been the unluckiest team this year. Watching Match of the day, Alan Shearer summed up our problem by pointing out all the teams below us who have a better goals for record. We have probably hit the woodwork more times than any other team, in any other league, anywhere in the world. It has been ridiculous the amount of bad luck we have had there. Also the decisions by the referees have not gone our way at all, especially since the Suarez fiasco. Dalglish at the start of the season sat with the head of the refs and asked for fairness, since then, we have had nothing, NOTHING. If our players go down in the box, its a dive, if its the opposition, its a penalty. The game against Aston Villa summed it all up on one penalty we should have had. When the ref was asked to explain why he didnt give it he replied "I thought the lad was unlucky". Kenny picked up on this, and his reply where he said "we need to have a player assassinated before we get a decision" is spot on, because we have been screwed this season.

So a lot has gone against us this season, but with regards to our play, we have created loads of chances, and given many teams a game, but between hitting the post and missing altogether, the results show a different story.

Seriously man. After 30 games or so still blaming the weather, the woodwork, poor referees, chance, bad luck, the linesman, and ohhh did i mention bad luck?

30 games, relegation form, poor man management, poor fitness level, few open chances, deep defensive line, no pressing, lack of flair and creativity, no gameplan, no tactics, no team only individuals, poor crossing, miserable signings, hundreds of millions squandered, bad set pieces, blind favouritism, This is what I see.

The worst development I have witnessed in my lifetime, going from good, todecent, to rotten in 2 years. Still saved by the Benitez remains in Reina, Lucas, Skrtl, Agger, Maxi, Kuyt. Take away these guys and hello Championship.

Walk on water, walk on water I say and on we go towards the abyss together with the One

i've really missed you on here all the time you've been away.

surprised you aint blaming hyypia for our demise 

It is tactics when we dominate other teams yet the other team managed to absorb our pressure and manage to win the game. It is tactics when this becomes a repeated pattern. It is tactics when we have a solid defensive 4 and are still leaking goals at the back. It is tactics and coaching when we dominate teams and yet are unable to score. Take Chelsea barca game for example. Chelsea just packed the middle of the park and barca couldn't go through them at all. This is all tactics. The fact is that right now teams are able to out-strategize us easily and this is tactics...

If we keep banging our heads against a wall, maybe we should think about going around the wall. These are all tactics...

stmichael » Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:05 pm wrote:the manager can't win anyway.

we batter teams off the park, playing some really good stuff but can't stick the ball in the net. apparently it's the "managers fault" that these players can't do the basics properly when it comes to finishing.

on the other hand we went away to man city, stuck 9 behind the ball and got a 1-0 win and the manager still got slaughtered by some fans for being "too defensive".

He is culpable for not signing a quality finisher.

If you have one game where you attack and the ball just won't go in.. then you put that down as a one off occurance.. "one of them days". However we have been wasteful for 15 months..., since Fernando Torres walked out the door.

When you dont sign quality ultimately you will pay for it. Comolli has already, the question is will Kenny?

The best finisher at the club is now Gerrard... and by some distance.

Finishing is an art form. It requires composure, accuracy, weight and timing of the shot. For the past 30 years we have had an almost unbroken spell of having a finisher... Rush, Aldridge, Fowler, Owen, Torres... who have grabbed a goal to get us a result. We don't have anyone of that ilk, or even a second tier finisher like Jelavic. We are screaming out for a #9. A penalty box converter. We have a world class creative #7 in Suarez.. a Beardsley type who will feed a finisher (as he does for Forlan for Uruguay). Until we get a quality finisher we will continue to be wasteful, and frustrated, fail to win, and ultimately the manager will pay.

I heard a small rumor that Steve Clarke might be on his way out

metalhead » Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:21 am wrote:I heard a small rumor that Steve Clarke might be on his way out

If Clarke is in sole charge of organising our defence then he has worked small wonders and minor miracles in transforming Skrtel into the
colossus he is today . In all honesty I think the cull is over mate ,and it will basically be the same personnel next season.

Just rumors mate, but I disagree I don't think FSG are done with firing people, I expect more in the summer. I also heard Borrell might replace Clarke