Damien comolli leaves LFC by mutual consent

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Postby Kenny Kan » Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:06 am

andy_g » Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:42 am wrote:
Kenny Kan » Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:38 am wrote:What's going on here? I fly from Brisbane to Cairns and find out Comolli leaves by "mutual consent"  :Oo:



are you suggesting that these events are connected?   ???


most definitely.
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Postby aCe' » Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:31 am

Scottbot » Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:33 am wrote:Haven't been near a TV or the internet all day so as have been looking after my 6 month old nephew so only just got this news. Not sure I see it in quite the same way as everybody else. Here's my take:

- Whilst I find their ruthlessness refreshing in some ways I'm not sure the timing was so great, why do it 2 days before our biggest game of the season? Seems a bit of a strange one to me.

- Is Kenny really safe? I can't see how. The board have come out and said what they think about results this season. they sack Commoli for his transfer activity but then Kenny comes out and says "Damien only brought in players that I wanted". Therefore, I'm not entirely sure why they have sacked Commoli and then are saying they are happy with Kenny? It doesn't strike me as very consistent. Far from thinking Kenny is safe. If we lose to the bitters at the weekend I personally suspect that Kenny will be out the door in the summer.

- How are they going to go about getting a new director of football? They don't know anything about the game. In American sports you have a General Manager (GM) who deals with all personnel issues, he leads the scouting team, he signs free-agents, decides who to draft each year from the college ranks etc and the Head coach simply coaches the team. The same approach simply does not work in football. Never has, never will.

- As for the strategy Werner is talking about, is that more of this "moneyball" bollllox again?


Nice to see you back. I think they got the timing wrong yet again. That said, how big an impact sacking a director of football and a medic would have on the payers remains anyone's guess. The papers will make a story out of it and thats to be expected but I doubt it would have a significant effect on our preperations and our application in the game. Regarding the Kenny being safe part, I too struggle to understand the stance of both the board AND the supporters on this one. If Comolli was sacked for sanctioning the deals and paying what was needed to bring them in then surely Kenny was given as much stick for wanting the players in the first place. Make no mistake about it, the signings at whatever price were terrible but the mistakes Kenny made in terms of selection, tactics, media handling..etc all -in one way or the other- cost Comolli and others their jobs at the club. For the owners to come out and openly criticize such decisions and show a willingness to act on that while giving Kenny their full support and confidence is a little confusing to me.

Personally, I believe Kenny deserves another season. How convinced I am that this belief stems from footballing reasons rather than sentimental ones largely depends on how our FA cup run goes from here. The one thing I am sure of is that our transfers next season need to be exponentially better than they have been this season for us to seriously mount a challenge for 4th spot. In that respect, I understand why the owners would want to bring in someone who might have more of a say in our transfers than perhaps Comolli did since his appointment.

Regarding the moneyball issue, I think its a big myth being thrown around to excuse some of our poor transfers. Most big clubs go for younger players who maintain if not grow their value by playing at the top level and our strategy for the most part has been no different. If anything, by overpaying for young players with decent (not spectacular) stats we are going against the main concept of getting value for what we paid.
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Postby garethfeb80 » Fri Apr 13, 2012 1:32 pm

Boxscarf » Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:41 am wrote:I agree that the timing is off, but this whole 'it ruins the Liverpool way', 'we're in the newspapers again' etc is just melodramatic utterings. Some of the old relics that support our club need to accept that Liverpool has to alter its philosophy and adapt, otherwise it gets left behind in the ever-changing sport that is football. It's because we were hell bent on perserving old age tradition that we were left behind in 1992 and have never recovered since then. Now we have new owners, owners who walked into Boston Red Sox and helped them lift their first league title in something like 80+ years. These guys know what it takes to win and they have decided to wield the axe now. As I say I agree that the timing seems off, couldn't this have been done in the days after our last game of the season? However, John W Henry and Tom Werner are businessmen and they'll make the business decisions, I just have to accept it and hope that things work out just fine.

If I was a Liverpool player, I'd be taking heed of these dismissals ahead of the Everton match and I'd be fired up to put Everton to the sword, for my own career and that of my manager, because FSG have once again shown that they will take no prisoners once hells bells start to chime. [I'm listening to AC/DC, not being melodramatic, honest!]



  I agree whith what you have said and i know exactly why you have said what you did about "the relics who believe in the liverpool way" and how we got left behind because of it!  but what you are failing to pick up on is that the liverpool way for moores and parry was a vail! a thing to hide behind when the decisions had to be made!  the principles of keeping their business behind closed doors, to allow the best results on the pitch and focus on every game is still as relevent today as they were when shankley walked through the door!  the players, the staff and the fans! they are the most imortant thing to the club! the people behind the scenes should be exactly that! which for the last 7 years have not been!  i will never forgive moores for what he has done to my club! but i know that he did it with no malace, he did it because he thought it was best for the club at the time! the reason i can't forgive him though is his lack of ability to see that he has done anything wrong!  another words, he see's no reason to appologies to the fans!

  FSG have, so far, came through on everything they said they would do! and i have no problem with them! i have no problem with them wanting to get the best out of our club, they will recieve a profit (huge ammounts) if they get this right but what i do have a problem with is timing! which is the point i was trying to make about "the liverpool way" i wasn't being melodramatic, i never tried to hide behind a saying that means so much to the older fan amoungst us who use that phrase everytime a decision needs to be made! i used it because i still believe that when we are on the front page of the papers again for all the wrong reasons (this situation has more questions than answers!!) I can't help but hark back to the days when the chairman signs the cheques and the manager is allowed to get on with the football!  I still play local league football and i hate to lose, but lose we do and after a few drinks, and the banter flies around the pub everythings ok! but when liverpool lose to teams like QPR when they have been 2-0 up it ruins my weekend! (or mid week as the case may be!)  espesially when our linnen is being aired in public!  if they want the best david dean and cruyff sound like a bloody good start! just wish it had waited a few days thats all........  :eyebrow 
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Postby D___C » Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:53 pm

Best news all season.

The players we have recruited, bar Suarez, Enrique, have been nothing short of cr'ap.

His buy "British policy" has been disastrous and the owners have acted accordingly. His track record is terrible so god knows how he ended up with us.

Getting Cruyff would be incredible. The team needs a major overhaul... and with his Spanish knowledge/connections we would actaully see some quality additions and see some football being played.
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Postby Roger Red Hat » Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:57 pm

so does this mean your right behind Kenny now you've admitted Comolli is the man who brought the 'flops' to the club?
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Postby D___C » Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:23 pm

Roger Red Hat » Fri Apr 13, 2012 1:57 pm wrote:so does this mean your right behind Kenny now you've admitted Comolli is the man who brought the 'flops' to the club?


I did make it clear in my posts that IF Commoli was 100% responsible then Kenny has no blame whatsoever and i would take back any criticism in terms of transfers.

I agreed with ynwajgsjgysdgcds (unprouncable username) when he made a comment on who was in charge of transfers.. who was culpable.

If Kenny in any way agreed to the 35m purchase of andy carroll (without a gun to his head or being forced to in any way) that is inexcusable.

Commoli was a clown with a terrible track record.. glad to see the back of him, now hopefully a few more dead wood in the team will follow.

Kenny is the right man BUT ONLY if we have quality players... his methods work as we saw towards the end of last season. Its the poor personnel that has killed us.
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Postby devaney » Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:13 pm

Dalglish has gone on record saying that he selected the players that have been bought ??? Anybody else read that?
Net Spend Over The Last 5 Years (10 years
are in brackets)
LFC £300m (£420m)
Everton +£33m (£211m)
Arsenal £557m (£853m)
Spurs £545m (£657m)
Chelsea £966m (£1072m)
Man City £165m (£833m)
Man United £650m (£1204m)
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Postby D___C » Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:32 pm

That Commoli was sacked would suggest he was largely to blame for the transfers.

Hoping thats the case anyway.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:46 pm

The fact you use the Daily Fail to back up your opinion just shows how flimsy it is.

Coates a miss ?!? Doni a miss ?!?

At least read your material before nod along like a sheep.

Unless you actually believe the Coates transfer for example was a failure ?
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Postby heimdall » Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:27 pm

D___C » Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:32 pm wrote:That Commoli was sacked would suggest he was largely to blame for the transfers.

Hoping thats the case anyway.


??? But Kenny said he requested and sanctioned all the transfers? I think Kenny is a dead man walking to be honest.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:43 pm

heimdall » Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:27 pm wrote:
D___C » Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:32 pm wrote:That Commoli was sacked would suggest he was largely to blame for the transfers.

Hoping thats the case anyway.


??? But Kenny said he requested and sanctioned all the transfers? I think Kenny is a dead man walking to be honest.


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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:32 pm

heimdall » Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:27 pm wrote:
D___C » Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:32 pm wrote:That Commoli was sacked would suggest he was largely to blame for the transfers.

Hoping thats the case anyway.


??? But Kenny said he requested and sanctioned all the transfers? I think Kenny is a dead man walking to be honest.


after reading tonights echo i`m convinced dalglish had very little say in the transfers, the owners explain that they are huge believers in this moneyball philosophy and they still believe it`s the right philosophy for the club in the long term, apparently moneyball is about analysing stats and key performance data to identify players undervalued by the market (does that sound like kenny?) 
as we all thought comoli was brought in because he was recommended by billy beane and he had a good track record of signing players like berbatov, modric and bale who`s value increased dramatically after he signed them, comoli was pushed not because of the players signed but because of the lack of `value for money`.
it mentions how comoli was initially brought in over hodgson as a director of football strategy to basically sign the players but later on he was promoted to DoF with the added responsibilities of overseeing performance analysis, medical provision and team administration....whatever the f**k that means.
kenny`s statement is just an attempt to try and not make it seem that comoli is being hung out to dry, but whatever kenny says i just cannot see him sitting there studying pages of stats looking for `value in the market`. i dont think kenny or any other manager we have in the future will have that much of a say in player recruitment while we are using this moneyball malarky, the owners want to sign assets that increase in value but who`s to say that asset will suit our style? you cant run a team like a portfolio of stock market shares.
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Postby burjennio » Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:49 pm

Following Comolli's departure, Dalglish said: "He has been really helpful in every transfer target that we've gone for.

"Everyone who has come into the club since Damien has been here was of my choice.

"Once I made the choice who I wanted, Damien went away and did a fantastic job of bringing them in.


Reading over these quotes again today it glares out at me that while Kenny Dalglish stated that he identified the players he wanted, the negotiations etc in bringing them to the club was squarely in the hands of Damien Comolli, which in my estimation is stating that Mr Comolli was therefore the one responsible for spending massively over the odds for several of last summers transfers, and I for one would distance myself from that as well if I was in Kenny's shoes. Anyone in agreement or am I reading too much into KD just wishing an ex-workmate well?
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Postby Kukilon » Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:19 pm

burjennio » Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:49 pm wrote:
Following Comolli's departure, Dalglish said: "He has been really helpful in every transfer target that we've gone for.

"Everyone who has come into the club since Damien has been here was of my choice.

"Once I made the choice who I wanted, Damien went away and did a fantastic job of bringing them in.


Reading over these quotes again today it glares out at me that while Kenny Dalglish stated that he identified the players he wanted, the negotiations etc in bringing them to the club was squarely in the hands of Damien Comolli, which in my estimation is stating that Mr Comolli was therefore the one responsible for spending massively over the odds for several of last summers transfers, and I for one would distance myself from that as well if I was in Kenny's shoes. Anyone in agreement or am I reading too much into KD just wishing an ex-workmate well?


Maybe the owners wanted him to clarify that to the media so he can't back out of it later on. Most people have believed that KK was not responsible for the buys and blamed Damien for them. Will make it easier to fire KK in the end if it doesn't work out.
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