Liverpool FC Forum

Benny The Noon » Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:06 pm wrote:

parchpea » Fri Apr 13, 2012 1:39 pm wrote:What Cruyff would bring to the table is 'star billing' and perhaps help us
attract better footballers to the club simply because hes on board.

Dalglish is a big deal here but Cruyff is simply on another level in those
terms.

From that perspective he could be very useful to us.

Cruyff isn't bigger to Liverpool than Kenny is.

But he is bigger outside of liverpool and thats more important if we want to attract top players.

mart » Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:17 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:06 pm wrote:

parchpea » Fri Apr 13, 2012 1:39 pm wrote:What Cruyff would bring to the table is 'star billing' and perhaps help us
attract better footballers to the club simply because hes on board.

Dalglish is a big deal here but Cruyff is simply on another level in those
terms.

From that perspective he could be very useful to us.

Cruyff isn't bigger to Liverpool than Kenny is.

But he is bigger outside of liverpool and thats more important if we want to attract top players.

Players won't arrive at a club because of who the director of football is - people live on too many clouds.

Have you not noticed the best DoF are the ones that didn't manage and mainly didn't have any sort of football career.

Most of these DOF are off the radar I agree with that, however I think the idea
might be we do our own thing and try to turn the club around with different
solutions.

In all honesty we are up against it reaching 4th, and some way behind the
better sides, so we need a strategy fastrack to progression with an impact
figure who can offer us not only 'brand' boost, but also in terms of contacts
on a global level.

We can keep going with the traditional ways, but frankly its not getting us
far at all, and at times we look like a club that has been transported from the 80s
gazing at a football world we no longer understand.

By not moving on we just slip further back every year.

parchpea » Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:39 pm wrote:Most of these DOF are off the radar I agree with that, however I think the idea
might be we do our own thing and try to turn the club around with different
solutions.

In all honesty we are up against it reaching 4th, and some way behind the
better sides, so we need a strategy fastrack to progression with an impact
figure who can offer us not only 'brand' boost, but also in terms of contacts
on a global level.

We can keep going with the traditional ways, but frankly its not getting us
far at all, and at times we look like a club that has been transported from the 80s
gazing at a football world we no longer understand.

By not moving on we just slip further back every year.

If you want to move on then you get the old Barce DoF who over saw the club during their most succesful era. 2003-2010. People didn't even know who he was when he left.

I think football is changing since the americans got involved in it. I'd imagine that in the not-to-distant future, there'll be no manager as we know them today. I think we're heading towards a more "co-operate" set-up. It will be almost like a board, picking the team, transfers, tactics etc. If football DOES go this way, well...let's have Cruyff involved from the ground floor.

I see people saying that Cruyff would bring his "Barca philosophy" to the club, but what does that actually mean and how does it square with the manager' vision for the team?  There's an obvious potential for conflict in this kind of relationship that's been proven to exist at countless other clubs (including Ajax, where Cruyff has twice been involved in management disputes) and that may well have been a cause for Comolli's departure just yesterday, despite what Kenny said publically about their relationship. I'm all for managers being held accountable by people higher up and receiving as much assistance as possible from the coaching staff, the scouting department and others, but what extra is there to gain by having a DOF? What justifies having a DOF?

We have a manager with a vision of how he wants the team to play; we have a scouting network and a head scout to identify and monitor potential new signings on behalf of the manager; we have a chief exec or other exec to carry out the work necessary to sign those players. This is how these responsibilities used to be divided. It worked for us before, and it's how it works at a lot of top clubs. Adding a DOF to the mix doesn't appear necessary.
Other than that, great idea.

LFC2007 » Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:20 pm wrote:I see people saying that Cruyff would bring his "Barca philosophy" to the club, but what does that actually mean and how does it square with the manager' vision for the team?  There's an obvious potential for conflict in this kind of relationship that's been proven to exist at countless other clubs (including Ajax, where Cruyff has twice been involved in management disputes) and that may well have been a cause for Comolli's departure just yesterday, despite what Kenny said publically about their relationship. I'm all for managers being held accountable by people higher up and receiving as much assistance as possible from the coaching staff, the scouting department and others, but what extra is there to gain by having a DOF? What justifies having a DOF?

We have a manager with a vision of how he wants the team to play; we have a scouting network and a head scout to identify and monitor potential new signings on behalf of the manager; we have a chief exec or other exec to carry out the work necessary to sign those players. This is how these responsibilities used to be divided. It worked for us before, and it's how it works at a lot of top clubs. Adding a DOF to the mix doesn't appear necessary.
Other than that, great idea.

i agree mate, i dont think DoF`s work in this country but the owners seem adamant that we are having one. as you say the potential for the relationship between the manager and DoF to fall apart is high and the last thing we need as a club after the past few years is more infighting behind the scene`s.
the only reason i`d favour a cruyff type figure is that i dont want a stats man pulling the strings, that stats malarky is all my @rse in footy, it`s a sport not a science and the managers and coaches who have tried to turn it into a science in the past tend to be in charge of the most boring teams imaginable (charles hughes, don howe, sam allardyce etc)

I remember cryuff slagging LFC off a few times in the past.total football? Total w.anode more like

woof woof ! » Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:50 pm wrote:Have severe reservations about Cruyff. Over the years he has always struck me as one who spits his dummy if he doesn't get his own way, could turn out be yet more trouble.

Agree mate but he's 64 years old, 3 year contract, set it up, establish credibility (bring in sponsers) get out again.