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can someone pls explain to me what happened to high flying spurs winning almost every game, trashing us, pushing manyoo and then having a losing streak and finally losing to Norwich today ? (after FA wanted Harry for England)

or Ipswich having a fairy tale season, pushing for the champs league spot finally getting a well deserved uefa cup spot and then relegated the next season.

or Kevin Keegan's league leaders Newcastle trashing manyoo 5-0, then going on a winless streak for 8 games in the league.

what changed? did players suddenly became bad ? or has it got to do with motivation? or it is the managers fault?

Again we have the misconception that Dalglish is equal to other top dog managers in
this day and age when that is simply not true.

He was a terrific manager for us taking over a great team with a supreme support network
behind him, iconic figures in the bootroom, top budgets, and Dalglish revelled in the role.

He then went on to Blackburn with an extraordinary budget, where Jack Walker changed
the game, breaking every transfer record, and Dalglish capitalised in full.

Those are his two successful periods in management (the last some 17 years ago now)
and its easy to see why.

I am not suggesting he is a poor manager, hes a decent manager, but to compare him to
the very best out there in todays market is blind faith at play once again.

To put it in a nutshell, Dalglish would not get a job at any top club in Europe now, no one
would employ him, and the candidates listed above him would be long.

The only reason he has the Liverpool job is because of who he is and many think that should
be enough, however at this point there is a strong suggestion its not enough, not by a long
chalk.

Octsky » Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:38 pm wrote:can someone pls explain to me what happened to high flying spurs winning almost every game, trashing us, pushing manyoo and then having a losing streak and finally losing to Norwich today ? (after FA wanted Harry for England)

or Ipswich having a fairy tale season, pushing for the champs league spot finally getting a well deserved uefa cup spot and then relegated the next season.

or Kevin Keegan's league leaders Newcastle trashing manyoo 5-0, then going on a winless streak for 8 games in the league.

what changed? did players suddenly became bad ? or has it got to do with motivation? or it is the managers fault?

Its a mixture of things, pressure, lack of belief, too much expectation, mistakes being punished, players going missing or losing form, the list goes on.
The media has a massive effect and is really all powerful as we have seen with regards to Suarez. If anything has changed in football it is the medias influence, as KK has found to his cost

D___C » Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:23 pm wrote:Sean Dundee - cost f'k all
Erik Meijer - cost f'k all
Paul Stewart - sh't midfielder
Nigel Clough - second striker/midfield

As for Fernando Morientes... long past his best was still on a different stratosphere to the geordie yard-dog. Cost a sixth and had a better goal return.


andy carroll will go down as the worst transfer deal in british history, and almost certainly the worst transfer deal in world football history.

The 8th most expensive player ever.... 35,000,000... 35 million... thirty-five million... say that figure out loud, take it in.

Kenny Dalglish paid thirty-five million for andy carroll. No matter how many times its repeated it will never sink in. Its the most staggering statistic anyone will ever come across off the field of play.

I agree 100%, I'm sure you must be reeling by the witty reparty of "rose-tinted specs" and "I love Kenny's" merriment but I'm glad to see at least one other person on this forum doesn't wallow in sentimentality and live entirely on past glories.

Thommo's perm » Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:44 pm wrote:

Octsky » Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:38 pm wrote:can someone pls explain to me what happened to high flying spurs winning almost every game, trashing us, pushing manyoo and then having a losing streak and finally losing to Norwich today ? (after FA wanted Harry for England)

or Ipswich having a fairy tale season, pushing for the champs league spot finally getting a well deserved uefa cup spot and then relegated the next season.

or Kevin Keegan's league leaders Newcastle trashing manyoo 5-0, then going on a winless streak for 8 games in the league.

what changed? did players suddenly became bad ? or has it got to do with motivation? or it is the managers fault?

Its a mixture of things, pressure, lack of belief, too much expectation, mistakes being punished, players going missing or losing form, the list goes on.
The media has a massive effect and is really all powerful as we have seen with regards to Suarez. If anything has changed in football it is the medias influence, as KK has found to his cost

Yes blame everything apart form the real cause, always easier to bury one's head in the sand. As for spurs who gives a *****, if we'd had a decent team and a decent manager then maybe we could have capitalised on it. as it is we could well end up in 14th place unless we figure out how to score goals pretty damn fast.

heimdall » Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:44 pm wrote:

Thommo's perm » Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:44 pm wrote:

Octsky » Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:38 pm wrote:can someone pls explain to me what happened to high flying spurs winning almost every game, trashing us, pushing manyoo and then having a losing streak and finally losing to Norwich today ? (after FA wanted Harry for England)

or Ipswich having a fairy tale season, pushing for the champs league spot finally getting a well deserved uefa cup spot and then relegated the next season.

or Kevin Keegan's league leaders Newcastle trashing manyoo 5-0, then going on a winless streak for 8 games in the league.

what changed? did players suddenly became bad ? or has it got to do with motivation? or it is the managers fault?

Its a mixture of things, pressure, lack of belief, too much expectation, mistakes being punished, players going missing or losing form, the list goes on.
The media has a massive effect and is really all powerful as we have seen with regards to Suarez. If anything has changed in football it is the medias influence, as KK has found to his cost

Yes blame everything apart form the real cause, always easier to bury one's head in the sand. As for spurs who gives a *****, if we'd had a decent team and a decent manager then maybe we could have capitalised on it. as it is we could well end up in 14th place unless we figure out how to score goals pretty damn fast.

I am not burying my head in the sand. I am merely stating the fact that the media plays a hugely significant part in football, especially if they are against you
If that too difficult for you to comprehend then I cant really help you

No I have never understood this victim mentality that so man of our fans have. I genuinly don't perceive any media bias against us, the majority of the media think we are sh1t, probably because we are Sh*t, it's as simple as that.
So lets focus on improving as a team and changing their opinions.

heimdall » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:08 pm wrote:No I have never understood this victim mentality that so man of our fans have. I genuinly don't perceive any media bias against us, the majority of the media think we are sh1t, probably because we are Sh*t, it's as simple as that.
So lets focus on improving as a team and changing their opinions.

"victim mentality" would suggest that the media bias is imaginary. Its not whether they think were sh'it, I couldnt care less what they think, its how they handle stories and what angle theyre coming from. Either you dont read papers or watch ssn, or you are living in cuckoo land where reporters and joirnalists only tell the "truth" and are "impartial"
Fu*king dream on Muttley

Thommo's perm » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:20 pm wrote:

heimdall » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:08 pm wrote:No I have never understood this victim mentality that so man of our fans have. I genuinly don't perceive any media bias against us, the majority of the media think we are sh1t, probably because we are Sh*t, it's as simple as that.
So lets focus on improving as a team and changing their opinions.

"victim mentality" would suggest that the media bias is imaginary. Its not whether they think were sh'it, I couldnt care less what they think, its how they handle stories and what angle theyre coming from. Either you dont read papers or watch ssn, or you are living in cuckoo land where reporters and joirnalists only tell the "truth" and are "impartial"
Fu*king dream on Muttley

Their angle is ofcourse to create controversy to sell newspapers. That is true regardless of what football club they are talking about. If we didnt give make it so easy for them the Suarez story would not have been as big as it was. It was a pr-disaster, especially when we didnt bother to appeal after making such a big fuss over defending luis.

mart » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:36 pm wrote:

Thommo's perm » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:20 pm wrote:

heimdall » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:08 pm wrote:No I have never understood this victim mentality that so man of our fans have. I genuinly don't perceive any media bias against us, the majority of the media think we are sh1t, probably because we are Sh*t, it's as simple as that.
So lets focus on improving as a team and changing their opinions.

"victim mentality" would suggest that the media bias is imaginary. Its not whether they think were sh'it, I couldnt care less what they think, its how they handle stories and what angle theyre coming from. Either you dont read papers or watch ssn, or you are living in cuckoo land where reporters and joirnalists only tell the "truth" and are "impartial"
Fu*king dream on Muttley

Their angle is ofcourse to create controversy to sell newspapers. That is true regardless of what football club they are talking about. If we didnt give make it so easy for them the Suarez story would not have been as big as it was. It was a pr-disaster, especially when we didnt bother to appeal after making such a big fuss over defending luis.

Mistakes were made without a doubt. But the media had a w@nkfest that it was LFC.
That little cu'nt could have accused anyone but it just so happened to be Purple noses greatest enemy and he virtually came in his kekcks when Evra told him what happened. It shouldnt have gone as far as it did but KK did what he thought was best. No matter what he would have said they would still have attacked us. To be fair the FA and the media were over the moon to bring us and KK down a peg or two and milked it for all it was worth. Lets hope that we have learnt a valuable lesson for the future because it has cost us far more than money.

Their angle is ofcourse to create controversy to sell newspapers. That is true regardless of what football club they are talking about. If we didnt give make it so easy for them the Suarez story would not have been as big as it was. It was a pr-disaster, especially when we didnt bother to appeal after making such a big fuss over defending luis.[/quote]

Mistakes were made without a doubt. But the media had a w@nkfest that it was LFC.
That little cu'nt could have accused anyone but it just so happened to be Purple noses greatest enemy and he virtually came in his kekcks when Evra told him what happened. It shouldnt have gone as far as it did but KK did what he thought was best. No matter what he would have said they would still have attacked us. To be fair the FA and the media were over the moon to bring us and KK down a peg or two and milked it for all it was worth. Lets hope that we have learnt a valuable lesson for the future because it has cost us far more than money.[/quote]

Very true. The club messed up on this whole thing and I hope we can learn from it. The whole Evra saga coincides perfectly with our alarming slip of recent weeks. Those that think there was no conspiracy, well think again. The media is a spin-doctor second only to politicians. Most love Fergie and Man U. The FA love Man U too. The race card was on the table and waiting to be played. Fergie played it beautifully. He's the 'papers hero of mind games.

Dodgy things do go on in this world ya know?

RedAnt » Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:37 pm wrote:The race card was on the table and waiting to be played. Fergie played it beautifully. He's the 'papers hero of mind games.

Dodgy things do go on in this world ya know?

Honestly it was more of a giant fuckup on our part rather than any great "mindtrick" from fergie. We gave him a gift to use, and he used it.

mart » Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:01 pm wrote:

RedAnt » Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:37 pm wrote:The race card was on the table and waiting to be played. Fergie played it beautifully. He's the 'papers hero of mind games.

Dodgy things do go on in this world ya know?

Honestly it was more of a giant fuckup on our part rather than any great "mindtrick" from fergie. We gave him a gift to use, and he used it.

Dont underestimate him because he is a master of manipulation. He knows when to say or not to say something and when to do or not to do something.
We could have handled it better from a pr perspective, but no matter what we did the knives were sharpened and ready once it was stated that the club would stand behind Suarez.
They wanted their pound of flesh and Fergie handed us over with glee.

mart » Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:01 pm wrote:Honestly it was more of a giant fuckup on our part rather than any great "mindtrick" from fergie. We gave him a gift to use, and he used it.

Absolutely... it was an open goal.

I can totally see why Kenny did it.. and i defended him then (Evra is a little shitehawk)... the problem was there was an absence of leadership at the club, we were rudderless during that period. We didnt have anyone understanding the situation (how the media works especially) and it got completely out of hand. We behaved very naively throughout and the press had a field day.

I have had major concerns about the club's ownership from the start.. nothing against Henry/Werner/FSG personally for i think they are classy people and have heard only good things about them from the folk in Boston.... its just a concern about a lack of understanding of how things work here, of player value (would david dein sanction 55 million on carroll and henderson?.. would he f'ck), of appointing someone based on fans calling for it (good pr move initially but it shows a lack of knowing who you want).. also the appointment of a dof in commoli is a huge concern. It doesnt work in England (it generally doesnt work anywhere.. Mourinho got rid of Valdano as he being the manager rightly calls the shots).

There is a real lack of quality leadership at the club at the minute, and its showing on and off the field.

D___C » Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:23 pm wrote:

mart » Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:01 pm wrote:Honestly it was more of a giant fuckup on our part rather than any great "mindtrick" from fergie. We gave him a gift to use, and he used it.

Absolutely... it was an open goal.

I can totally see why Kenny did it.. and i defended him then (Evra is a little shitehawk)... the problem was there was an absence of leadership at the club, we were rudderless during that period. We didnt have anyone understanding the situation (how the media works especially) and it got completely out of hand. We behaved very naively throughout and the press had a field day.

I have had major concerns about the club's ownership from the start.. nothing against Henry/Werner/FSG personally for i think they are classy people and have heard only good things about them from the folk in Boston.... its just a concern about a lack of understanding of how things work here, of player value (would david dein sanction 55 million on carroll and henderson?.. would he f'ck), of appointing someone based on fans calling for it (good pr move initially but it shows a lack of knowing who you want).. also the appointment of a dof in commoli is a huge concern. It doesnt work in England (it generally doesnt work anywhere.. Mourinho got rid of Valdano as he being the manager rightly calls the shots).

There is a real lack of quality leadership at the club at the minute, and its showing on and off the field.

Is there a post where you dont mention how much Carroll cost?