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The conundrum is ultimately this. The new owners were probably cool on appointing KK when they arrived at the club because of the doubts of Broughton and Purslow in the summer of 2010 that KK's long relationship and reputation with the club wouldn't be tarnished by appointing him to succeed Rafa.

If FSG were also reluctant to go with KK because of his break from management the question surely will be now have their original doubts about him resurfaced as a result of this season's faltering league performances? Or are they prepared to pump another £100 million in this summer to improve the premiership campaign next year because of the cup success that KK has delivered this season?

the last bit...   they'll pump money in and all will be good. Kenny is the man - no doubting that.

On the flipside you have to wonder how serious Fenway are at this point as well.

I dont doubt they had real plans and ideas for the club following the initial purchase
but given the obstacles encountered in redeveloping Anfield and costs to buid a new
stadium in an economic downturn interest may have cooled.

You get the feeling they thought they could turn some things around quite quickly on
the park with the money invested, but not withstanding some poor purchases, the penny
may have dropped it will take perhaps 3x that amount to be a major player for 4th and
5x to challenge for first if you look at Citys books.

Personally I think the may have bitten off more than they can chew and whilst Ive no
doubt they will run a steady ship and a professional sports business I have my doubts that
will be enough to keep supporters off their backs long term if we are just treading water
every season.

Fenway Sports Group collectively could afford to build us a new stadium, people underestimate their wealth, the group is made up of several extremely wealth people including the man who owns AS Roma. However there is absolutely no incentive as businessmen to put their own money into building a new stadium, because they'll never get their money back. Arsenal's Emirates stadium cost around £390m to construct and that was started and completed before the world financial crisis of 2008. FSG will obviously want investment from outside forces to help construct our new stadium, the same way in which Arsenal did back when the Ashburton Grove stadium was being planned. Unfortunately given the fact banks are unwilling to lend and the markets are all over the place, I doubt now is the right time to start building a new stadium.

I think Fenway Sports Group are serious about their investment into our club, how can anyone criticise them at this point or question their motives is beyond me, they saved our club a year-and-a-half ago, so show some appreciation. They also gave our current manager the most amount of investment a manager at this club has ever had. FSG obviously see this club as a long-term project, so they are rightly going to take their time in deciding how Liverpool football club should go about improving for the future. Before a new stadium or a stadium renovation is even considered, the focus should be on getting things on the pitch right, ensuring that we are challenging for major honours season after season.

parchpea » Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:35 pm wrote:On the flipside you have to wonder how serious Fenway are at this point as well.

I dont doubt they had real plans and ideas for the club following the initial purchase
but given the obstacles encountered in redeveloping Anfield and costs to buid a new
stadium in an economic downturn interest may have cooled.

You get the feeling they thought they could turn some things around quite quickly on
the park with the money invested, but not withstanding some poor purchases, the penny
may have dropped it will take perhaps 3x that amount to be a major player for 4th and
5x to challenge for first if you look at Citys books.

Personally I think the may have bitten off more than they can chew and whilst Ive no
doubt they will run a steady ship and a professional sports business I have my doubts that
will be enough to keep supporters off their backs long term if we are just treading water
every season.

I hear what you're saying, but they paid off our debts, invested in the squad and have put us onto a sound finanical footing.

We're 1,000,000 times better now than we were 2 years ago

Boxscarf » Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:11 pm wrote:Fenway Sports Group collectively could afford to build us a new stadium, people underestimate their wealth, the group is made up of several extremely wealth people including the man who owns AS Roma. However there is absolutely no incentive as businessmen to put their own money into building a new stadium, because they'll never get their money back. Arsenal's Emirates stadium cost around £390m to construct and that was started and completed before the world financial crisis of 2008. FSG will obviously want investment from outside forces to help construct our new stadium, the same way in which Arsenal did back when the Ashburton Grove stadium was being planned. Unfortunately given the fact banks are unwilling to lend and the markets are all over the place, I doubt now is the right time to start building a new stadium.

I think Fenway Sports Group are serious about their investment into our club, how can anyone criticise them at this point or question their motives is beyond me, they saved our club a year-and-a-half ago, so show some appreciation. They also gave our current manager the most amount of investment a manager at this club has ever had. FSG obviously see this club as a long-term project, so they are rightly going to take their time in deciding how Liverpool football club should go about improving for the future. Before a new stadium or a stadium renovation is even considered, the focus should be on getting things on the pitch right, ensuring that we are challenging for major honours season after season.

i actually give the owners a lot of credit over the stadium issue, i think they want to redevelop anfield but our council wants them to build a new stadium on stanley park mainly because the council took a load of european money and spent it (all over the city on various projects) on the strength of a new stadium being built. if fsg redevelop anfield the council will have to pay millions back to europe which quite frankly they havent got because as what usually happens when a tory government gets into power liverpool gets hammered, liverpool and sunderland are the two cities hardest hit by the swinging cuts to public spending so the council are cutting services and laying people off left right and centre, no way can they afford to pay £9m quid back to the EU. they couldnt afford to pay 9 quid back never mind 9 million.
i think the owners realise the history and tradition that places like fenway park and anfield have is a big attribute for a sporting institution to have and i think fsg arent impressed that liverpool city council is basically railroading them into building a new stadium.

That's an interesting post, I never knew about this £9m.

I can understand the reasons for staying at Anfield and the reasons for building a new stadium, each reason is as valid as the other as far as I am concerned. If we do stay at Anfield and the stadium is redeveloped, then there needs to scope for further expansion and at this current point in time Anfield is a 45,000 seater stadium, what is the capacity for expansion is at Anfield presently? If it's anything under 65,000, then I think that we'll have to really consider having a new stadium built.

FSG seem to be making the right noises since they bought us but remember, they paid a bargain £300 million then had a major clearout of the squad and signed about 6 players over the first two transfer windows. This rebuild cost about £35 million in total but apparently saved £30 million a year on wages so FSG didn't spend loads of their own money like people keep saying. They didn't even spend anything in their third transfer window when we should have bought at least another striker.

I really hope they provide consistent financial backing and a sound business plan so it will be interesting to see what they do over the summer, remember Hicks and Gillette spent almost £40 million in their first transfer window which included Torres and Mascherano but it was downhill from there.

I believe they did well as a first phase of a squad rebuild but the age of some players is catching up with them so we need to change at least 2 or 3 players over the summer with a couple of top quality additions coming in to strengthen us in key positions.

Also, it's a catch 22 situation with the stadium and it's not really the right financial climate to make the sort of outlay we need but the longer it goes on the more we are falling behind the mancs, arsenal etc. who are getting so much more matchday income than we are.

The owners need to show some leadership, the coaches and players need to pull together and show some improvement and the fans need to get behind the team and help us through this difficult time.

Basil » Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:13 am wrote:FSG seem to be making the right noises since they bought us but remember, they paid a bargain £300 million then had a major clearout of the squad and signed about 6 players over the first two transfer windows. This rebuild cost about £35 million in total but apparently saved £30 million a year on wages so FSG didn't spend loads of their own money like people keep saying. They didn't even spend anything in their third transfer window when we should have bought at least another striker.

This seems to be lost on quite a few people. I think a lot more people would be questioning just how much they have really spent had we not got 50Mil for Torres.

tubby » Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:47 pm wrote:

Basil » Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:13 am wrote:FSG seem to be making the right noises since they bought us but remember, they paid a bargain £300 million then had a major clearout of the squad and signed about 6 players over the first two transfer windows. This rebuild cost about £35 million in total but apparently saved £30 million a year on wages so FSG didn't spend loads of their own money like people keep saying. They didn't even spend anything in their third transfer window when we should have bought at least another striker.

This seems to be lost on quite a few people. I think a lot more people would be questioning just how much they have really spent had we not got 50Mil for Torres.

dont know if you heard that bit on monday night football on five live but i think you have a good point.
they said that FSG would have liked to have come in and not spend anything on the team to start with but to clear out the dead wood and use the money as a foundation for the club to build on due to the money problems it had had over the last few years. Building a new ground was not something they wish to do for a few years but once they took over things at the club changed, top players moving on and the fear that we was going to be left with no strikers and the fans calling for a new ground due to what the old owners had said.

it put them in a stickey place right at the start.