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by **D___C** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:15 pm

Thommo's perm » Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:44 am wrote:Kerry
Any points you have (and I agree with some of them) are then lost with your obsessive ciriticism and your use of sh'it examples to prove your point.
Theres no doubting that the owners will be concerned at our alarming loss of form in the league, but like Shankley said, they are only there to sign the cheques.
We the fans are far more important and it is us who will have to get behind the manager and the team in this time of disappointment and fear. We are playing badly as a team and you constantly repeating that its Carrolls fault shows that you are clueless to whats going on. This makes me question whether you are a Liverpool supporter at all because your glee at our demise is disturbing to say the least, "A dog with a bone" is an understatement as far as how overjoyed you are to tell us how right you are and put the boot in. Even if you are correct with your assumptions it comes across that you are actually revelling in the fact that we are struggling at the moment.
We get it Kerry.
Stop rubbing it in for fu'cks sake

false perception. Any loss will trigger a greater response than a win. When you win you are content and therefore much less likely to comment, when you lose you are far from content and therefore much more likely to comment. Human nature. Phone ins/match day threads etc etc are never busier after a defeat. Regards Carrolll...i have listed all the british signings as being the prime reason for our dreadful season, obviously its not solely down to him, hes just the main part of the cause. Its common knowledge that if we have a decent #9 we would be having a very different season.

by **Thommo's perm** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:21 pm

D___C » Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:15 pm wrote:
Thommo's perm » Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:44 am wrote:Kerry
Any points you have (and I agree with some of them) are then lost with your obsessive ciriticism and your use of sh'it examples to prove your point.
Theres no doubting that the owners will be concerned at our alarming loss of form in the league, but like Shankley said, they are only there to sign the cheques.
We the fans are far more important and it is us who will have to get behind the manager and the team in this time of disappointment and fear. We are playing badly as a team and you constantly repeating that its Carrolls fault shows that you are clueless to whats going on. This makes me question whether you are a Liverpool supporter at all because your glee at our demise is disturbing to say the least, "A dog with a bone" is an understatement as far as how overjoyed you are to tell us how right you are and put the boot in. Even if you are correct with your assumptions it comes across that you are actually revelling in the fact that we are struggling at the moment.
We get it Kerry.
Stop rubbing it in for fu'cks sake

false perception. Any loss will trigger a greater response than a win. When you win you are content and therefore much less likely to comment, when you lose you are far from content and therefore much more likely to comment. Human nature. Phone ins/match day threads etc etc are never busier after a defeat. Regards Carrolll...i have listed all the british signings as being the prime reason for our dreadful season, obviously its not solely down to him, hes just the main part of the cause. Its common knowledge that if we have a decent #9 we would be having a very different season.

Whatever.
You are making the same point in different ways and its beyond boring
:glare:

by **friendlyguy33** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:56 pm

The last caller tonight on LFCTV made a good point. Shankly went seven years without winning a trophy but did the fans call for him to be sacked at that time? No because he was building a team.

Maybe you should take note 7_Kewell among others.

by **ycsatbjywtbiastkamb** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:19 pm

friendlyguy33 » Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:56 pm wrote:The last caller tonight on LFCTV made a good point. Shankly went seven years without winning a trophy but did the fans call for him to be sacked at that time? No because he was building a team.

Maybe you should take note 7_Kewell among others.

different generation of fans them though mate, they were a great generation, vociferous, loyal, loud....it was them who made the name spion kop famous throughout the world.
back then teams were genuinely intimidated by the atmosphere
these days people just sit on their @rses and f**k around with their phones as the away fans sing `where`s your famous atmosphere?`
it`s not really a surprise that we have fans calling for the manager to go.

by **7_Kewell** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:24 pm

friendlyguy33 » Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:56 pm wrote:The last caller tonight on LFCTV made a good point. Shankly went seven years without winning a trophy but did the fans call for him to be sacked at that time? No because he was building a team.

Maybe you should take note 7_Kewell among others.

Shanks worked from an ethic of hard work, pride in wearing the shirt, and embracing modern tactics. Everything that's lacking from our team and set up at present.

And where have i demand Kenny's immediate sacking?

I've been a red from the mid '80s...going to Anfield since the early 90s. We're a shambles and pretending this is all part of a greater plan is a joke. As someone said on another thread, Kenny needs to grasp the nettle and clear out some of the sh!te he brought in and accept it hasn't worked. That would install belief and unite the fans.

by **desmdlow** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:44 am

spiceboys2014 » Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:15 pm wrote:On the positive side, I feel that we dont need a whole new team to turn our fortunes. 4 maybe 5 quality signings, with Lucas still to cone back.

I think this formula always works in football.....
Quality = Consistency.

Thats why city are sat near top. They got cream of prem talent, milner, barry, toure, nasri, etc. Plus aguero, dzeko tevez, yaya toure.

Notice they bought yaya toure from Barcelona and not Blackpool, Villa or Sunderland?
Ring a bell?

It mirrors what abramovich did when he bought Chelsea and they players they brought in.

We need to break the bank unfortunately. But di we give Kenny the cash?

We DID spend alot of money since Kenny's appointment. City's Aguero is also signed at 35 mil isnt it not? Whoever you ask, even then would pick Aguero over Caroll. However, Aguero may not want to come to LFC. That i think is the problem.

Just look at Phil Jones vs Coates, Young vs Downing, it is easy to see that we are losing appeal to top players. It is going to spiral to more problems unless we bucked up in our performances.

by **metalhead** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:58 am

Carroll was a Comolli signing, would FSG allow a caretaker manager to pay 35m for a player? Hell to the no!

by **Boxscarf** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:14 pm

metalhead » Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:58 am wrote:Carroll was a Comolli signing, would FSG allow a caretaker manager to pay 35m for a player? Hell to the no!

Then Damien Comolli should be sacked for ineptitude.

by **Boxscarf** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:25 pm

friendlyguy33 » Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:56 pm wrote:The last caller tonight on LFCTV made a good point. Shankly went seven years without winning a trophy but did the fans call for him to be sacked at that time? No because he was building a team.

Maybe you should take note 7_Kewell among others.

I bet a lot of Liverpool supporters back then were disgruntled that the club was going season in and season out with a single piece of silverware. I refuse to accept that nobody in the 1960's criticised Shankly or thought the club would be best served changing the manager. Let's not paint our fan base of the 1960's out to be complete angels who never once uttered a criticism of Shankly or any of the players he signed.

Also comparing things back then to now is simply not the same, under Shankly the club never had billionaire owners who pumped in over £100m worth of investment. Shankly took an underachieving club in the second division with a decrepit stadium. The situation that Kenny finds himself in, in 2012 is not the same situation that Shankly found himself in, in 1960.

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:33 pm

Boxscarf » Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:25 am wrote:
friendlyguy33 » Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:56 pm wrote:The last caller tonight on LFCTV made a good point. Shankly went seven years without winning a trophy but did the fans call for him to be sacked at that time? No because he was building a team.

Maybe you should take note 7_Kewell among others.

I bet a lot of Liverpool supporters back then were disgruntled that the club was going season in and season out with a single piece of silverware. I refuse to accept that nobody in the 1960's criticised Shankly or thought the club would be best served changing the manager. Let's not paint our fan base of the 1960's out to be complete angels who never once uttered a criticism of Shankly or any of the players he signed.

Also comparing things back then to now is simply not the same, under Shankly the club never had billionaire owners who pumped in over £100m worth of investment. Shankly took an underachieving club in the second division with a decrepit stadium. The situation that Kenny finds himself in, in 2012 is not the same situation that Shankly found himself in, in 1960.

These are pictures of Liverpool fans celebrating the 1965 season ( we won the FA Cup and came 7th )

by **heimdall** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:52 pm

Benny The Noon » Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:33 am wrote:
Boxscarf » Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:25 am wrote:
friendlyguy33 » Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:56 pm wrote:The last caller tonight on LFCTV made a good point. Shankly went seven years without winning a trophy but did the fans call for him to be sacked at that time? No because he was building a team.

Maybe you should take note 7_Kewell among others.

I bet a lot of Liverpool supporters back then were disgruntled that the club was going season in and season out with a single piece of silverware. I refuse to accept that nobody in the 1960's criticised Shankly or thought the club would be best served changing the manager. Let's not paint our fan base of the 1960's out to be complete angels who never once uttered a criticism of Shankly or any of the players he signed.

Also comparing things back then to now is simply not the same, under Shankly the club never had billionaire owners who pumped in over £100m worth of investment. Shankly took an underachieving club in the second division with a decrepit stadium. The situation that Kenny finds himself in, in 2012 is not the same situation that Shankly found himself in, in 1960.

These are pictures of Liverpool fans celebrating the 1965 season ( we won the FA Cup and came 7th )

Do you think maybe their expectations were less than they are now, had they just spent the equivalent on £100 million on rubbish players and seen all their major rivals storm past them in the league?

The reality is that we are going backwards as a club and personally I do not think Kenny or Comolli are the right men for the job.

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:58 pm

Their expectations were realistic and they understood the value of a trophy, there weren't also any Internet/Sky sports fans back then as well.

Back in the late 80's Man Utd under Ferguson came 10th and won the FA Cup - the fans were calling for his head.

We haven't won a trophy for 6 years yet we have done this season - moving forwards

We are in the same situation as last season in the league so exactly how has the club gone backwards.

Rivals storming past us !! Exactly who is storming past us ?

People like you wanted rid of Rafa and you got your wish - learn from your past mistakes.

by **Kenny Kan** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:02 pm

The reality is that we are going backwards as a club and personally I do not think Kenny or Comolli are the right men for the job.

Did you have this inclination prior to KD and Comolli commencing their work here at LFC, or is it due to recent poor form you think this?

by **heimdall** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:10 pm

Benny The Noon » Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:58 am wrote:Their expectations were realistic and they understood the value of a trophy, there weren't also any Internet/Sky sports fans back then as well.

Back in the late 80's Man Utd under Ferguson came 10th and won the FA Cup - the fans were calling for his head.

We haven't won a trophy for 6 years yet we have done this season - moving forwards

We are in the same situation as last season in the league so exactly how has the club gone backwards.

Rivals storming past us !! Exactly who is storming past us ?

People like you wanted rid of Rafa and you got your wish - learn from your past mistakes.

so are you suggesting that kenny is no better than hodgson??
teams storming past us, well you have Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham, Newcastle and with one more loss possible Everton, Sunderland and even swansea ffs and don't even get me started on Manure and Citeh as they are in a completely different league to us these days.

It is so depressing to think that just a few years ago we were challenging for the league, now we are light years away!!

by **heimdall** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:12 pm

Kenny Kan » Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:02 pm wrote:
The reality is that we are going backwards as a club and personally I do not think Kenny or Comolli are the right men for the job.

Did you have this inclination prior to KD and Comolli commencing their work here at LFC, or is it due to recent poor form you think this?

i have to say that at the time I was very optimistic about kenny coming in, less so about Comolli but at that time I was just over the moon that we'd finally got rid of twit and tw@t.

I always saw kenny as a stop gap manager and I'm fairly certain that FSG did as well, I just hope they have a new manager lined up already.

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