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friendlyguy33 wrote:Last night will have reinforced the idea that Skrtel and Coates can't play together. Suarez should have taken his early chance but if you can't defend a 2-0 lead against a team in the bottom three away from home then there are big questions to be answered.

Sorry mate, how many times have we seen skrtel and coates? Not a lot!

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heimdall wrote:

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:I was going to come on and offer some of my own comments last night ,but I had difficulty wading through all the used kleenex
from our biggest ,and evidently most spectacularly predictable fans .Whilst I feel for their apparent frustration ,I genuinely
despair at their obvious lack of patience, and their all consuming need to stick the boot in at the earliest opportunity available . 

Contemptible! Now there's a word .

Yes lets stick with a system that clearly isn't working, mid-table obscurity here we come. I do not understand this philosophy if stickign with something that clearly doesn't work. If the team were improving week in week out then ok but we aren't and kenny is still picking the wrong players and why the hell we did not get a striker in on loan in January is completely beyond me, imagine if we'd have gotten Saha we'd be talking about 4th place now, I'm sure of it.

To strive for improvement is not contemptible to settle for mediocrity is.

What do you mean by " a system that clearly isnt working"? Could you be more specific?
What do you mean by "mid table obscurity"? We are 7th and there are 27 points to play for. We could still finish third.
Can you prove that the addition of Saha would have made any difference to our league place?
Cheers.

Lol. Heart of hearts, how many of those 27 points do you realistically think we will win?

We are at risk of being overtaken by swansea and everton

spiceboys2014 wrote:
Lol. Heart of hearts, how many of those 27 points do you realistically think we will win?

We are at risk of being overtaken by swansea and everton

And we are also not...

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spiceboys2014 wrote:
Lol. Heart of hearts, how many of those 27 points do you realistically think we will win?

We are at risk of being overtaken by swansea and everton

And we are also not...

If you really think we will get 4th, let alone 3rd, then I want some of what you're smoking. 

My opinion is that we have not improved as a team and I really fear that without a radical change of direction we will become just another mid-table team.
I don't actually think that will happen because I'm fairly certain Kenny will walk in the summer but we can't afford another season of muddling along not with so many teams snapping at our heels.

I watched the man's interview after the game and he looked genuinely devoid of hope ,I just think if you put so much faith in your players
both publicly and privately then they should reward you by giving 100% application ...I mean is that so much to ask ? That they at the very
least take those disinterested soulless displays  we've been seeing of late and add a touch of passion to the mix .

I mean I could accept what's happening if the heart was there to see ,but some of these players that have the effrontery to wear the red of
Liverpool are behaving like shithouse rats .

heimdall wrote:

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spiceboys2014 wrote:
Lol. Heart of hearts, how many of those 27 points do you realistically think we will win?

We are at risk of being overtaken by swansea and everton

And we are also not...

If you really think we will get 4th, let alone 3rd, then I want some of what you're smoking. 

My opinion is that we have not improved as a team and I really fear that without a radical change of direction we will become just another mid-table team.
I don't actually think that will happen because I'm fairly certain Kenny will walk in the summer but we can't afford another season of muddling along not with so many teams snapping at our heels.

We have had too many draws, hit too much woodwork, had our best player out for 9 games, our captain ravaged with injury and new players coming to terms with being under the microscope of the fans and the media. With all this in mind I cannot really take you or anyone else who is calling for KK's head seriously. It has been an eventful and interesting season where we have won another trophy and got through to the semi final of another. We have a very slim chance of going on a 9 game winning run which could take us up to 4th. Probably not, but who knows? Of course we are greedy and somewhat unrealistic in our expectations. But thats because we are supporters of the best club in the world. However this "changing managers like a whores knickers" is not what LFC is about. We have patience and we support our manager, especially if he is a legend.
If we were consistantly playing badly, not creating chances and constantly Fu*king up at the back then you would have a point.
But were not, so you dont

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:I watched the man's interview after the game and he looked genuinely devoid of hope ,I just think if you put so much faith in your players
both publicly and privately then they should reward you by giving 100% application ...I mean is that so much to ask ? That they at the very
least take those disinterested soulless displays  we've been seeing of late and add a touch of passion to the mix .

I mean I could accept what's happening if the heart was there to see ,but some of these players that have the effrontery to wear the red of
Liverpool are behaving like shithouse rats .

I thought British players would play for the shirt more etc? At least that was one of the arguments used to support Dalglish's throw back to a bygone era where the top sides in England were comprised nearly of entirely British talent.

Didi Hamann, Xabi Alonso and Javier Mascherano showed more fight than players like Adam, Downing and Henderson.

Boxscarf wrote:

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:I watched the man's interview after the game and he looked genuinely devoid of hope ,I just think if you put so much faith in your players
both publicly and privately then they should reward you by giving 100% application ...I mean is that so much to ask ? That they at the very
least take those disinterested soulless displays  we've been seeing of late and add a touch of passion to the mix .

I mean I could accept what's happening if the heart was there to see ,but some of these players that have the effrontery to wear the red of
Liverpool are behaving like shithouse rats .

I thought British players would play for the shirt more etc? At least that was one of the arguments used to support Dalglish's throw back to a bygone era where the top sides in England were comprised nearly of entirely British talent.

Didi Hamann, Xabi Alonso and Javier Mascherano showed more fight than players like Adam, Downing and Henderson.

You are talking about three of the best players who ever pulled on a red shirt
I would suggest that these players were already the finished article when they came here (Maybe not Alonso as much? But he was class from the first moment) Adam, Downing and Henderson are still starstruck and not used to the expectations and pressure that comes with being a player for LFC.
Hopefully tey will overcome this and be more confident and effective.

Boxscarf wrote:

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:I watched the man's interview after the game and he looked genuinely devoid of hope ,I just think if you put so much faith in your players
both publicly and privately then they should reward you by giving 100% application ...I mean is that so much to ask ? That they at the very
least take those disinterested soulless displays  we've been seeing of late and add a touch of passion to the mix .

I mean I could accept what's happening if the heart was there to see ,but some of these players that have the effrontery to wear the red of
Liverpool are behaving like shithouse rats .

I thought British players would play for the shirt more etc? At least that was one of the arguments used to support Dalglish's throw back to a bygone era where the top sides in England were comprised nearly of entirely British talent.

Didi Hamann, Xabi Alonso and Javier Mascherano showed more fight than players like Adam, Downing and Henderson.

I find it particularly distasteful that however much the players deliver an indifferent display ,you seem to take great pleasure in laying the blame
squarely at the feet of our manager .

Javier Mascherano was hardly the finished article when he arrived here, neither was Hamman, they became special players for us because they had special qualities. Charlie Adam, Stewart Downing and Jordan Henderson have shown no signs of quality, no passion or fight, no grit or determination. Downing cost more than Mascherano. Henderson cost more than Alonso and Hamann.

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:
I find it particularly distasteful that however much the players deliver an indifferent display ,you seem to take great pleasure in laying the blame
squarely at the feet of our manager .

I take no pleasure in watching what I have watched this season. I'm grateful that Kenny came in and took the reigns of the club, but the fact remains he has signed players who aren't delivering for whatever reason(s) and he has to take full responsibility. Could he have not found a better winger in country's like Germany, France, Holland or Spain for a cheaper price than what he paid for Downing? What about CM's? He had Aquilani and Meireles here, loaned out Aquilani and sold Meireles. The same with Henderson, could he have not found someone better for a cheaper price or for the same amount of money?

I am prepared to give these players time to develop and grow, but you would expect to see some class from these players and they haven't really shown any this season. Henderson's most memorable moments was his goal at Bolton and his cross that led to the Suarez goal in the Stoke match earlier this season. Downing has scored two goals and that's about it. Adam has scored around 3 goals and that's about it. They haven't set the blue touch paper alight have they? Carroll is the only British signing who really puts the effort in, but he is toothless in front of goal. No wonder people are branding him the White Emile Heskey, but based on Carroll's out put, that's an insult to Heskey who scored 22 goals in his first season with us and he didn't cost £35m either.

Boxscarf wrote:Javier Mascherano was hardly the finished article when he arrived here, neither was Hamman, they became special players for us because they had special qualities. Charlie Adam, Stewart Downing and Jordan Henderson have shown no signs of quality, no passion or fight, no grit or determination. Downing cost more than Mascherano. Henderson cost more than Alonso and Hamann.

the funny thing is downing, henderson and adam have won more silverware for this club than mascherano ever did.
when we had that `great` side with gerrard, torres, mascherano, alonso etc we won nothing, absolutely f##k all.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb wrote:the funny thing is downing, henderson and adam have won more silverware for this club than mascherano ever did.
when we had that `great` side with gerrard, torres, mascherano, alonso etc we won nothing, absolutely f##k all.

Yet they qualified for the Champions League every season and even got to a final and got very close to the Premiership and we were awfully fortunate not to have lost in the Carling Cup final. Had Kenny Miller not missed that sitter towards the end of the 90 minutes, we'd have lost 2-1 in normal time to Cardiff.

The Carling Cup is a good piece of silverware to win, but I'd much rather go back to 2008-2009 when we came second in the league and really looked like we were going places. We've spent so much on British talent and our two best signings were a Spaniard and an Uruguayan.

The main problem IMHO is that Dalglish and Clark are simply not getting the best out of what they have got. Some of the tactics and utilisation of players has been extremely questionable. Persisting with Henderson for so long on the right wing where he has been very  poor is lamentable. Downing has started the majority of matches and I simply cannot understand why given that he has been atrocious.You could hardly regard Downing as an inexperienced improving player. Maxi and Kuyt have been sidelined for most of the season.Bellamy has to be used sparingly but is ineffective as a sub which we keep on using him for.As for Adam I'm slightly lost for words!

Boxscarf wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb wrote:the funny thing is downing, henderson and adam have won more silverware for this club than mascherano ever did.
when we had that `great` side with gerrard, torres, mascherano, alonso etc we won nothing, absolutely f##k all.

Yet they qualified for the Champions League every season and even got to a final and got very close to the Premiership and we were awfully fortunate not to have lost in the Carling Cup final. Had Kenny Miller not missed that sitter towards the end of the 90 minutes, we'd have lost 2-1 in normal time to Cardiff.

The Carling Cup is a good piece of silverware to win, but I'd much rather go back to 2008-2009 when we came second in the league and really looked like we were going places. We've spent so much on British talent and our two best signings were a Spaniard and an Uruguayan.

we never got to a CL final with torres in the team, and although mascherano did play in a CL final that was when he first joined us, he didnt play in any of the group stages and he wasnt in our side in the 2 games against barcelona, he came into the team the next round against PSV.
it`s a bit churlish to mention millers miss, look how we rode our luck on the way to istanbul, away at juventus in the first 5 minutes that ibrahamovic (sp?) missed an absolute sitter from about 5 yards out, and lampard missed a similar sitter at stamford bridge when he somehow blasted a shot over the bar from a similar distance when it looked harder to miss, at the end of the day we didnt go places, when people look back in a 100 years time at the history of this club the carling cup win will be on the honours board, what the mascherano, alonso, torres and gerrard side `won` wont, unfortunately.