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Despite the public posturing we havent made any progress on the field and all thats happended is side of a similair level
has managed to bag the Carling Cup. Birmingham won that last year and Cardiff almost won it this. It is not a true
marker for progression.

Im not surprised Dalglish wants to add up the points at the end of the sesaon because I bet he is too scared to look at the
table at this point after such a miserable run of league form. He will point to a victory against a half second string from
a rubbish Everton team as a plus no doubt.

We are told the club is moving forward in all areas but I dont see it on the field nor off it in terms of the stadium issue.

Apparently the lads are smiling in training and the camp is buzzing but my telly nearly went in last night when QPR drilled
3 home and happy workers obviuosly dont put points on the board.

Still there is always next year, year after, but if we move forward at this pace I fear Dalglish will be closer to the grave than seeing
Liverpool in that top 4 any time soon.

heimdall wrote:

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:I was going to come on and offer some of my own comments last night ,but I had difficulty wading through all the used kleenex
from our biggest ,and evidently most spectacularly predictable fans .Whilst I feel for their apparent frustration ,I genuinely
despair at their obvious lack of patience, and their all consuming need to stick the boot in at the earliest opportunity available . 

Contemptible! Now there's a word .

Yes lets stick with a system that clearly isn't working, mid-table obscurity here we come. I do not understand this philosophy if stickign with something that clearly doesn't work. If the team were improving week in week out then ok but we aren't and kenny is still picking the wrong players and why the hell we did not get a striker in on loan in January is completely beyond me, imagine if we'd have gotten Saha we'd be talking about 4th place now, I'm sure of it.

To strive for improvement is not contemptible to settle for mediocrity is.

What do you mean by " a system that clearly isnt working"? Could you be more specific?
What do you mean by "mid table obscurity"? We are 7th and there are 27 points to play for. We could still finish third.
Can you prove that the addition of Saha would have made any difference to our league place?
Cheers.

It's actually hard to say if the system is working or if it's the players that ain't good enough.

Reg wrote:Benny whilst I'm glad we won the League cup, lets not get carried  away, its one step up from winning a can of Tango.

Its no yardstick thats for sure (relegated Birmingham won it last year)



To answer a previous poster..  no i really dont want Kenny sacked, he made an almighty blunder with the british transfers but every manager deserves a chance to rectify a mistake. I would allow him to spend whatever he would recoup from the sale of Carroll, Adam and whoever else... and then see how we go next season.

His methods work (we saw flashes of it towards the end of last season).. what has killed his methods is his terrible signings. He had a successful formula with the way we played in our three best performances under him, but that changed when he introduced his midtable level british signings (as a result we are near midtable).

No disrespect to the Carling Cup, but it all comes down to the FA Cup. Win that and its a good season regardless of our league position (assuming 8th or 9th is the lowest we can drop). Lose in the semis or even the final and questions WILL be asked of the manager.

Despite what anyone has to say about the signing being young, for the future, still settling, unjustly treated by the FA, mismanaged..etc etc
We can all agree that none of the players signed by Kenny (Enrique and to some extent Bellamy being exceptions) have managed to provide the impact expected of them. Even Suarez, for all his good play in and around the box, he remains unable to consistently provide the goals you'd expect from a forward playing for a big club. Thats close to 120mill spent in less than a season and a half without considerably (if at all) improving the results in the league.

When all is said and done, Kenny imo will deservedly get the chance to rectify some of his mistakes this season. The 2 areas that will be scrutinized next season will be his transfers and his team selections. Get the first one right and I think the second will be a non-issue.

Benny The Noon wrote:Buy British policy ??

Coates
Enrique
Suarez
Doni


That's 4 players signed in the last 12 months that aren't British.

Suarez was not a Dalglish signing, if indeed Carroll wasn't as has been mentioned here then how can Suarez be a Kenny signing when Suarez and Carroll arrived on the same day?

Funny nobody was moaning when we won the carling cup

Boxscarf wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:Buy British policy ??

Coates
Enrique
Suarez
Doni


That's 4 players signed in the last 12 months that aren't British.

Suarez was not a Dalglish signing, if indeed Carroll wasn't as has been mentioned here then how can Suarez be a Kenny signing when Suarez and Carroll arrived on the same day?

while Kenny's boss they're all Kenny signings, I don't see how it can be otherwise

Greavesie wrote:
while Kenny's boss they're all Kenny signings, I don't see how it can be otherwise

I agree, but some posters on here are adamant that Carroll was not a Kenny signing, but one by the American owners.

Boxscarf wrote:

Greavesie wrote:
while Kenny's boss they're all Kenny signings, I don't see how it can be otherwise

I agree, but some posters on here are adamant that Carroll was not a Kenny signing, but one by the American owners.

if you read Kenny's book he says Comoli called him and asked if he wanted him, kenny said go for it. If Kenny said don't then he probably wouldn't have. Suggested by Comoli, green light given by Kenny. We can't be succcessful if our owners and Kenny want different players, it simply won't work

Greavesie wrote:

Boxscarf wrote:

Greavesie wrote:
while Kenny's boss they're all Kenny signings, I don't see how it can be otherwise

I agree, but some posters on here are adamant that Carroll was not a Kenny signing, but one by the American owners.

if you read Kenny's book he says Comoli called him and asked if he wanted him, kenny said go for it. If Kenny said don't then he probably wouldn't have. Suggested by Comoli, green light given by Kenny. We can't be succcessful if our owners and Kenny want different players, it simply won't work

realistically kenny was not going to knock back comoli`s suggestions knowing that comoli was put in place by the owners, at that time kenny probably couldnt believe his luck that he`d been given the chance to manage the club again, he wasnt going to rock the boat after being in the job days, plus not many managers would have said no if the board offered to buy them andy carroll.

Last night will have reinforced the idea that Skrtel and Coates can't play together. Suarez should have taken his early chance but if you can't defend a 2-0 lead against a team in the bottom three away from home then there are big questions to be answered.

D___C wrote:

Reg wrote:Benny whilst I'm glad we won the League cup, lets not get carried  away, its one step up from winning a can of Tango.

Its no yardstick thats for sure (relegated Birmingham won it last year)



To answer a previous poster..  no i really dont want Kenny sacked, he made an almighty blunder with the british transfers but every manager deserves a chance to rectify a mistake. I would allow him to spend whatever he would recoup from the sale of Carroll, Adam and whoever else... and then see how we go next season.

His methods work (we saw flashes of it towards the end of last season).. what has killed his methods is his terrible signings. He had a successful formula with the way we played in our three best performances under him, but that changed when he introduced his midtable level british signings (as a result we are near midtable).

I am starting to get the feeling that you think KK's British signings are below standard...?

Thommo's perm wrote:
I am starting to get the feeling that you think KK's British signings are below standard...?

Based on the entirity of this season, it's hard to argue otherwise.

Reg wrote:Benny whilst I'm glad we won the League cup, lets not get carried  away, its one step up from winning a can of Tango.

Lol. That is the first sensible post I have seen in this forum since joining..