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Postby 7_Kewell » Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:44 am

crazyhorse wrote:yawn...

Half a season these lads have had and already they are getting slaughtered.

All of the new signings have shown bits of really good stuff. I still feel we will get good value out of all of them. With Hendo it will take a few more seasons but that was made loud and clear when we bought him. Adam is no veteran either.

Hendo is the only one i'm optimistic about...but wouldn't it have made more sense to sign someone else who could step up to the challenge now?

We could have given it another year and signed Henderson...there's no way his fee would have got any higher!
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Postby Kerry07 » Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:48 am

andy_g wrote:i think just about everyone will agree that suarez, bellamy and enrique are already good and will stay good. of the rest i think the opposite to what you stated. i think that downing, carroll and adam are what they are and will be mostly average with the odd, expectation raising, outstanding game. henderson, however i think has what it takes. keep and eye on his passing and his tenacity a bit more and maybe you'll see it too. that pass he made for downing's spurned chance against city was one of a few moments of excellence he's regularly shown.

Concur completely. The OP is way off the mark regarding Henderson.

Suarez, Enrique and Bellamy are quality, and of the others Henderson is the one who shows the most promise by a million miles. The awareness to play in Gerrard against Newcastle, the instant pass that put in Downing against City, the defence splitting pass at Chelsea that put Bellamy through on the right who then squared to Maxi for the goal. Henderson is the one who is making telling contributions at the sharp end... and bear in mind hes still very young and developing. I get the impression Gerrard rates him, as he communicates very warmly to him in a manner that suggests he sees great potential. Anyone thats read Gerrard's book will tell you what he felt about Cisse (garbage) so was never close.. and what he felt about Alonso (loved the guy) and was all over him.. as he was with Torres.
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Postby Octsky » Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:09 am

7_Kewell wrote:I have never, in my 25 years as a red, seen us waste so much money on such dross.

And now the rumour is we're going to spend 20 million on Darren Bent... :no

i really dont approve the signing of Bent...
he is in his late 20's, and will never reach superstar status.
only a stop gap and not a long term signing.
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Postby Kopite-Jud » Fri Jan 06, 2012 1:45 am

Benny The Noon wrote:Did anyone see Henderson's glorious ball to Downing yesterday, or his ball to Gerrard to set up the third against Newcastle, or his volleyed cross to Suarez for the winner against QPR , or his goal against Bolton .

If only had done something to say he has a bit of talent.

It was Charlie Adam's right footed cross to Suarez that resulted in the winning goal against QPR  :rasp
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Postby Johnny Boy » Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:22 am

Enrique - top player, brilliant signing and at a great price too
Bellamy - been great, would have liked to have seen him play more but there perhaps is a reason for that, must be horrible to play against and I like that
Adam - mixed bag, a few games ago I thought he had a decent run of performances but last couple he has been poor, what has dissapointed me more about him is the lack of quality on his set pieces and corners, I expected better, he didn't cost a lot though
Suarez - been fantastic, hasn't looked at his best of late but I suppose that's understandable, needs to work on his final ball and stay on his feet a lot more
Henderson - can see why people think he is going to be a real player, I am not sure at the moment, that pass for Downing the other night was class, however there have been too many sideways and backwards passes for me, especially when he has played on the right
Carroll - needs to play more if we are to judge him better and we need to play to his strengths, at the moment it's hard to justify the fee
Downing - been hit and miss since his first game and continues to be, lack of assists isn't all his fault though as other players have wasted good opportunities that he has provided, he has genuine pace but still often flatters to deceive

I suppose in a way my feeling on our midfield is we haven't got the balance right yet, how long have we waited for a genuine right sided player? Where is the creativity and flair?
The number of times I have seen Henderson and Adam sit way too deep, even at a corner kick for us. If Gerrard is not playing we have nobody making runs into the box from midfield, or at least not very often.
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Postby Raoul » Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:33 am

As far as Henderson goes, it is obvious to me that there is a very good player in there. My only concern about him is whether he has the passion to reach his undoubted potential. He plays without any real sense of urgency or fire. Without that, he'll never be worth the 20 mill we paid, he'll never reach his potential.

I think Henderson is a man management question. Kenny bought him, now it is up to him to help Henderson find the passion and fire he needs to become a very good, if not great, player.

But I'll admit to being very concerned. If Henderson had shown any of the drive of someone like Spearing, he'd already be one to get excited about...
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Postby Johnny Boy » Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:36 am

Raoul wrote:As far as Henderson goes, it is obvious to me that there is a very good player in there. My only concern about him is whether he has the passion to reach his undoubted potential. He plays without any real sense of urgency or fire. Without that, he'll never be worth the 20 mill we paid, he'll never reach his potential.

I think Henderson is a man management question. Kenny bought him, now it is up to him to help Henderson find the passion and fire he needs to become a very good, if not great, player.

But I'll admit to being very concerned. If Henderson had shown any of the drive of someone like Spearing, he'd already be one to get excited about...

I think he definitely has the passion, you can see the frustration and dissapointment on his face when he makes a mess of something.
If anything he is probably trying too hard to please.

I would like to see him get forward more.
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Postby Reg » Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:12 am

I struggle to see how we have improved having sold/shipped out

Reira,
Aqualani
Joe Cole
Torres
Meireles
Yossi
DJ Babel

and bought in

Henderson
Downing
Carroll
Adam.

Suarez and Enrique have been fantastic buys, thank goodness.

Otherwise, I'd rather bring back Albert, Meireles, Cole etc.. and pick up the pieces again!

Lads, its cost us 100 million to stand still.
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Postby laza » Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:22 pm

Reg wrote:I struggle to see how we have improved having sold/shipped out

Reira,
Aqualani
Joe Cole
Torres
Meireles
Yossi
DJ Babel

and bought in

Henderson
Downing
Carroll
Adam.

Suarez and Enrique have been fantastic buys, thank goodness.

Otherwise, I'd rather bring back Albert, Meireles, Cole etc.. and pick up the pieces again!

Lads, its cost us 100 million to stand still.

What happened to the "If we buy expensive but talented homegrown players they will play with far more heart and passion then souless foreign mercs" theory   which was being bandied about pre season ???

Im loathed to pass judgement on any player midway through their first season. Though I will say I wasnt happy about the  transfer of Meireles and I still think we miss him especially with StevieG long injury lay off.

With amount of money spent, I shouldnt be remembering him let alone missing him
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Postby SouthCoastShankly » Fri Jan 06, 2012 1:03 pm

What a lot on here fail to grasp is all the players you are writing off (Carroll, Adam, Downing, etc) had fantastic seasons for their previous clubs. So many players are confidence players, Carroll and Downing are shining examples of that. Time is all they need. Whether we have that time to afford is another question.
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Postby stmichael » Fri Jan 06, 2012 1:57 pm

SouthCoastShankly wrote:Time is all they need. Whether we have that time to afford is another question.

Nobody gets time these days. It's modern day football, especially when you factor in the transfer fees and wages that are paid out. The match these days is unfortunately full of a lot of bellends who want to do nothing but moan at players because of what they can't do rather than looking at what they can do.

It's exacerbated at the moment because other teams are always looking to strengthen. It also depends on whether you're a glass half full or empty kind of fan. One would look at where we are and you could take the view that we are 3 points off 4th or 1 point off 7th.
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Postby jimmy brighton » Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:08 pm

Reg wrote:I struggle to see how we have improved having sold/shipped out

Reira,
Aqualani
Joe Cole
Torres
Meireles
Yossi
DJ Babel

and bought in

Henderson
Downing
Carroll
Adam.

Suarez and Enrique have been fantastic buys, thank goodness.

Otherwise, I'd rather bring back Albert, Meireles, Cole etc.. and pick up the pieces again!

Lads, its cost us 100 million to stand still.

Rieira had one good season (08/09) and then went sh*t so we shipped him out.
Cole never had one decent game for us. The first big game he had he got sent off. How old is he? French league suits him coz they're generally average.
Torres had failed to reproduce the form of his best season (08/09) so was shipped out. He still hasn't found it and doubt if he will again.
Meireles is a good player but I dont see Chelsea as a team any better than us this season and its us who are going through the transition phase. We've beat them on their own turf twice
Bennayoun? Chelsea now Arsenal? You couldn't make it up. He'll be at QPR next season.
Babel. Had potential but always failed to live up to it.

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Postby stmichael » Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:14 pm

we're also in a position whereby we're less able to make mistakes and every one we do make will be magnified more.

united are still up there so nobody ever mentions them paying £16m for jones (good prospect but still nobody knows what his best position is), £18m for young (had 2 good games), 19m for de gea (average), 18m for anderson (couldn't lace lucas' boots), 18m on carrick, 18m on valencia and so on. that's not to mention a £30m striker who until recently couldn't even get on the bench.
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Postby Greavesie » Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:26 pm

we've laid solid foundations imo. People are magnifying how we're doing now because of where we finished last season, forgetting that we were good for the second half of the season and woeful the first. I do think we could do better than what we have but the squad atm has depth and injuries now won't kill it as much as they previously would have

I don't think Meireles is a step above what we have, I said similar when he was sold, would have been nice to have the extra body around but look at Chelsea now and tell me he's made a great impact. We got 10 mil for him because that's what he's worth
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Postby Fowler_E7 » Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:30 pm

stmichael wrote:we're also in a position whereby we're less able to make mistakes and every one we do make will be magnified more.

united are still up there so nobody ever mentions them paying £16m for jones (good prospect but still nobody knows what his best position is), £18m for young (had 2 good games), 19m for de gea (average), 18m for anderson (couldn't lace lucas' boots), 18m on carrick, 18m on valencia and so on. that's not to mention a £30m striker who until recently couldn't even get on the bench.

I think your cluthing at straws a bit, of that list only De Gea and Anderson can be classed as flops, Carrick was a never an 18mil player also but Jones is an outstanding young talent anyone with eyes can see that, Young had a brilliant start but has faded a lot like a certain Mr Rooney, hes certainly a lot better than Downing thats for sure. Berbatov was top goalscorer last year, he hasnt been as good as they hoped but hes hardly been an Andy Carroll level of disaster. Valencia is a good winger and has provided plenty of assists when he starts, he's lost his place to the much improved Nani, but he's hardly a bad player is he.
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