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by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:43 pm

only me wrote:On the account of being bored here is my list

Nigel De Jong
Yaya Toure
Anderson
Fletcher/Gibson/Carrick - At least the same level
Ramires
Mikel
Essien
Tiote
Alex Song
Wilshere
Huddelstone
Scot Parker

CATTERMOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And you know what i could find at least a few more just as Lucas in the bottom table teams but i'm just tired.

Ill give you De Jong - solid player

Toure is not a DM in the prem
Anderson - never
Same level as Fletcher agree
Gibson ?!?! Seriously
Ramires is no better no worse
Mikel is worse
Essien - the best of the lot - its a shame he is finished now
Tiote - the same from what i have seen
Song - never
Wilshere- all hype no substance yet
Huddlestone ?!?! Your joking
Scott Parker - yes
Cattermole is a joke

So out of that list

Parker and De Jong are the two i would pick over Lucas but none of the rest and some are a joke .

Gibson ?! Huddlestone ?! Cattermole ?!

Im surprised you didnt say Noble .

by **Thommo's perm** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:45 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:GYBS you are being abusive and disrespectful. I dont mind banter but you are coming right up to the line with your personal insults.
Just because someone disagrees with you it doesnt make them idiots. You havent got the monopoly on football knowledge so kindly desist with the name calling
Its not big and its not clever

Booked your appointment yet ?

I'll go for an eye test when you get your head tested

They are doing deals at the moment - half price second set of glasses . That is good .

Second thoughts forget getting your head tested
Youre beyond help
:laugh:

I still like you though
:;):

by **tubby** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:51 pm

Wilshere- all hype no substance yet... really?

Ok he is injury prone but in terms of footballing intelligence he is a few notches above Lucas imo. Your right though, he's probably about Fletchers level.

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:54 pm

Wilshere has a long way to go to fulfil his hype - anytime I have seen him he looks nothing but ordinary .

Your right Lucas is at Fletchers level - the same Fletcher who consistently starts for the current prem winners ( when fit ) and has done for seasons and even taggert says is one of their most important players .

by **metalhead** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:55 pm

Fowler_E7 wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Maybe that position wasn't handled because the manager believe's the player in that position is good enough .

Credible people are one's who are in the profession and being successful in that profession - not Internet fans on a forum .

Mash and Alonso are history , you don't have to have the new player in the prem for them to be good enough . They are all part of a team - the sum of all the parts - if you are old enough to remember the 80's , Kenny wasn't about flooding teams with world stars it was about getting players to fit in a team and to work in a team - we have always been about the sum of all the parts and Lucas is a big part - he isn't a Masher or an Alonso he is Lucas who constantly improves and shows he is good enough to be in our team .

Our team in the 80's would wipe the floor with this current side. Is Downing better than Barnes, Lucas better than Mcmahon? etc ofcourse there not the Liverpool sides of the 80's had loads of top players. To win the big trophys you have to have top players, we simply dont have enough of them, thats why we finish outside the top 4. Personally i beleive with Lucas in the starting line up we could possibly get back in the top four, but we would never challenge for a league title.

this

by **only me** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:56 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
only me wrote:On the account of being bored here is my list

Nigel De Jong
Yaya Toure
Anderson
Fletcher/Gibson/Carrick - At least the same level
Ramires
Mikel
Essien
Tiote
Alex Song
Wilshere
Huddelstone
Scot Parker

CATTERMOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And you know what i could find at least a few more just as Lucas in the bottom table teams but i'm just tired.

Ill give you De Jong - solid player

Toure is not a DM in the prem
Anderson - never
Same level as Fletcher agree
Gibson ?!?! Seriously
Ramires is no better no worse
Mikel is worse
Essien - the best of the lot - its a shame he is finished now
Tiote - the same from what i have seen
Song - never
Wilshere- all hype no substance yet
Huddlestone ?!?! Your joking
Scott Parker - yes
Cattermole is a joke

So out of that list

Parker and De Jong are the two i would pick over Lucas but none of the rest and some are a joke .

Gibson ?! Huddlestone ?! Cattermole ?!

Im surprised you didnt say Noble .

Care to explain

Toure is not a DM in the prem - He covers box to box becuase he Can ,he is a DM by nature.
Anderson - never - Why not? Also an attacking threat
Same level as Fletcher agree
Gibson ?!?! Seriously - Yes ,Great shot at goal ,scored a bunch as well as defending
Ramires is no better no worse - Really???
Mikel is worse - How So??
Essien - the best of the lot - its a shame he is finished now
Tiote - the same from what i have seen
Song - never - A much more stronger/faster/aggressive defender Plus can score from time to time
Wilshere- all hype no substance yet - Don't accept ,the lad has guts and talent
Huddlestone ?!?! Your joking - Nope ,stronger with a killer shot from distance.
Scott Parker - yes
Cattermole is a joke - Cattermole is the Best DM in the PL

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:57 pm

Ok I'll bow out now - your last line sums it all up .

by **Thommo's perm** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:58 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Wilshere has a long way to go to fulfil his hype - anytime I have seen him he looks nothing but ordinary .

Your right Lucas is at Fletchers level - the same Fletcher who consistently starts for the current prem winners ( when fit ) and has done for seasons and even taggert says is one of their most important players .

Fletcher

Think youre right there though. Definitely on the same level

by **roysreds** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:58 pm

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Lucas is a future Brazil and LFC captain

Do you honestly think he would'nt get a game for MU, :censored:

or Chelski?
when players like Anderson, Song and Mikel play regularly.

Some of the $hit that kid had to put up with, to come back from that, stand tall and end up being one of the best DM in the league.

Well Done Lucas!
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by **Thommo's perm** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:00 pm

roysreds wrote:.
Lucas is a future Brazil and LFC captain

Do you honestly think he would'nt get a game for MU, or Chelski?
when players like Anderson, Song and Mikel play regularly.

Some of the $hit that kid had to put up with, to come back from that, stand tall and end up being one of the best DM in the league.

Well Done Lucas!
.

Im not questioning his determination or resolve
Just his lack of talent

by **roysreds** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:11 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:
roysreds wrote:.
Lucas is a future Brazil and LFC captain

Do you honestly think he would'nt get a game for MU, or Chelski?
when players like Anderson, Song and Mikel play regularly.

Some of the $hit that kid had to put up with, to come back from that, stand tall and end up being one of the best DM in the league.

Well Done Lucas!
.

Im not questioning his determination or resolve
Just his lack of talent

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What do you class as talent?

Spraying a 40 yard cross-field pass?

Curling a 25 yard free kick into the top corner?

Well, Lucas doesn't do that, he keeps the ball ticking, he tracks runs, he closes down opposition, he sets tempo,

Makelele, Dunga, Deschamp, Lucas Leiva

Talentless water-carriers
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by **tubby** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:24 pm

Sorry but I would never put Makalele or Deschamp in the same bracket as Lucas. Come on please. If he was that good we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

by **Thommo's perm** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:28 pm

roysreds wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:
roysreds wrote:.
Lucas is a future Brazil and LFC captain

Do you honestly think he would'nt get a game for MU, or Chelski?
when players like Anderson, Song and Mikel play regularly.

Some of the $hit that kid had to put up with, to come back from that, stand tall and end up being one of the best DM in the league.

Well Done Lucas!
.

Im not questioning his determination or resolve
Just his lack of talent

.
What do you class as talent?

Spraying a 40 yard cross-field pass?

Curling a 25 yard free kick into the top corner?

Well, Lucas doesn't do that, he keeps the ball ticking, he tracks runs, he closes down opposition, he sets tempo,

Makelele, Dunga, Deschamp, Lucas Leiva

Talentless water-carriers
.
.

Thre three players you mentioned were all better than Lucas
Im not saying he doesnt do a job. He just doesnt do it very good.
If hes a water carrier than hes leaving puddles all over the place.
I like him, I really do. But I wont kid myself that hes better than he is. He is average and we need a good, solid holding midfielder. Someone mentioned Ronnie Whelan as a comparison. Ronnie Whelan was 10 times the player that Lucas is.
I agree he has improved and he is better than he used to be. But hes annoying, predictable and sloppy. I wish he could become the player we need but I honestly doubt it.

by **roysreds** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:31 pm

tubby wrote:Sorry but I would never put Makalele or Deschamp in the same bracket as Lucas. Come on please. If he was that good we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

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I'm sorry, but you have to compare him to a 24y/o Deschamps and Makelele not the experienced 30+ that we fondly remember

Lucas is 24
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by **roysreds** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:53 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:
roysreds wrote:.
Lucas is a future Brazil and LFC captain

Do you honestly think he would'nt get a game for MU, or Chelski?
when players like Anderson, Song and Mikel play regularly.

Some of the $hit that kid had to put up with, to come back from that, stand tall and end up being one of the best DM in the league.

Well Done Lucas!
.

Im not questioning his determination or resolve
Just his lack of talent

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On 17th April, during Liverpool's 1-1 draw against Arsenal at Emirates Staidum, Lucas played a pivotal role in ousting out Cesc Fàbregas in midfield, whilst showing a deft touch in the dying moments to earn his side a freekick in the last minute. His quick reaction time to then reach the loose ball from the resulting free kick, under which he was then tackled in the penalty area, earned his side a penalty, which Dirk Kuyt converted.

Following the game, Kenny Dalglish praised "...he may be the one who stops the guy (opponent) going past the first fella then sets us on our way (creates attacks)," drawing growing comparisons to Xavi and 1994 World Cup winner and captain, Dunga.

On 24 May, Lucas was voted the Standard Chartered Fans player of the year for the 2010-11 season, winning 40% of the 129,774 votes cast.

He also made the most tackles in the top 4 European leagues in the 2010-2011 season.[B]

$*i*e that Lucas
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