Minimum expectations for the season - What’s the minimum for 11/12 season

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Minimum expectations for the season - What’s the minimum for 11/12 season

1st (Champions)
6
6%
2nd
4
4%
3rd
11
11%
4th
62
60%
5th
15
14%
mid table
6
6%
 
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Postby alwayslfc » Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:46 am

Ciggy wrote:Champions League next season is a MUST !!!

The owners have invested heavly in the playing squad it is what they and us will expect, we have finished in the top 4 with a weaker squad than we have now.  There is no excuses.

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We qualified for CL with a weaker squad than today in the past but in the past those same rivals were not as strong as today. Today they are easily 5 times better than they are now with a good mix of British and foreign stars and with tons of millions of money at their disposal (a luxury we do not have) and we are signing above average players and emphasizing on being a British side. Something not quite right here.
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Postby Thewaykokid » Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:17 am

I'm sure we'll bounce back from recent results, but i for one am dissapointed that our momentum has ended so abruptly. I really would of liked to seen us take the good start of the season further i.e at least 10 games in, now we're back mid-table and have points between us and our rivals. I'm not going all doom and gloom here but i feel its important when you're playing well and you have momentum that you take maximum advantage of this in terms of points. Now there will be question marks over our top 4 credentials, our away record, etc. not that i care about speculation, but i'm sure that this sort of things plays on the players/ managers mind. Need to string the next 3 games together with max points to reassurt our resurgence.
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Postby only me » Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:08 am

Ciggy wrote:Champions League next season is a MUST !!!

The owners have invested heavly in the playing squad it is what they and us will expect, we have finished in the top 4 with a weaker squad than we have now.  There is no excuses.

I share the Sentiment but it would be a huge challange. With all the investment put in the club we are still ,quality wise ,Weaker then Arsenal and Spurs. We had tons of avarage players in our squad and we are now much more equipped to play football but still a long way ahead.

Gerrard is the X factor ,if he gives a strong season we would meet the CL goal.
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Postby jacdaniel » Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:39 am

only me wrote:I share the Sentiment but it would be a huge challange. With all the investment put in the club we are still ,quality wise ,Weaker then Arsenal and Spurs. We had tons of avarage players in our squad and we are now much more equipped to play football but still a long way ahead.

Gerrard is the X factor ,if he gives a strong season we would meet the CL goal.

Not too sure about Arsenal tbh, but i agree with everything else. 

I dont think we should neccesarily expect 4th at the moment.  Spurs have been overlooked by a lot of people but they still have some brilliant players and a lot more pace than we do.

Despite investing in the team, we're still a long way behind the big 3.  And eventually we'll end up discussing net spend because we have taken in a lot of money too.
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Postby Roger Red Hat » Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:41 am

my prediction is we'll now go on an unbeaten run of about 12 games taking us up to 3rd by xmas. a couple of gliches in the new year but then finding our groove again and finishing the season strong in 3rd place.  :;):  I've had a word.
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Postby Thommo's perm » Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:54 am

Roger Red Hat wrote:my prediction is we'll now go on an unbeaten run of about 12 games taking us up to 3rd by xmas. a couple of gliches in the new year but then finding our groove again and finishing the season strong in 3rd place.  :;):  I've had a word.

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Postby aCe' » Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:30 pm

We SHOULD be looking at a top 4 finish as a minimum imo. The last couple of seasons we underachieved given the squad we had and still ended up 7th and 6th. This season, we should have built on our squad and form from the end of last season and the huge investment in players since the start of the year should have cemented our position amongst the top 4 sides.

Another thing to consider is the fact that the 2 main rivals for that 4th spot (Arsenal and Tottenham) have both had difficulties going into this season. Arsenal lost their 2 best payers and a 3rd key player and were reluctant to spend big to replace them. They're nowhere near the level they were at last season and that should be a huge boost for us. Tottenham on the other hand sold many players (Woodgate, Keane, Hutton, Crouch Palacios..) and spent a grand total of 8mill to replace them. They did brilliantly well too bringing in Scott Parker and Coulibary for peanuts, Friedel for free and Adebayor on loan. 

Given the circumstances, it would seem everything was set for us to go on and claim that fourth spot. If we dont, you'd have to say the management failed to do what was expected of them. Still a long way to go and all that, but we seriously need to step it up before its too late.
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Postby metalhead » Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:38 pm

I'm still confident we will get 4th :)
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Postby SouthCoastShankly » Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:38 pm

alwayslfc wrote:
Ciggy wrote:Champions League next season is a MUST !!!

The owners have invested heavly in the playing squad it is what they and us will expect, we have finished in the top 4 with a weaker squad than we have now.  There is no excuses.


We qualified for CL with a weaker squad than today in the past but in the past those same rivals were not as strong as today. Today they are easily 5 times better than they are now with a good mix of British and foreign stars and with tons of millions of money at their disposal (a luxury we do not have) and we are signing above average players and emphasizing on being a British side. Something not quite right here.

Not sure who your five are then.

Man Utd
Man City
Chelsea

Obvious choices. I will take exception to Arsenal and Tottenham (assuming they are your choices).

Arsenal are in free fall. The squad in thin and not capable of top 4 this season IMO. Sure they attack well, but defensively they're awful. We won't be getting tanked 8-2 by Man Utd for example.

Tottenham beat us 4-0, so what. 3 of those goals came as a direct result of being down to 9 men. You really think it would of finished 4-0 with a full team. I think not, it wouldn't even of finished 4-0 with 10 men.

Fourth is between Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs. I see us at the top of that pecking order even after the Spurs defeat. We are higher than both in the league and haven't even hit 100%.
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Postby metalhead » Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:41 pm

SouthCoastShankly wrote:
alwayslfc wrote:
Ciggy wrote:Champions League next season is a MUST !!!

The owners have invested heavly in the playing squad it is what they and us will expect, we have finished in the top 4 with a weaker squad than we have now.  There is no excuses.


We qualified for CL with a weaker squad than today in the past but in the past those same rivals were not as strong as today. Today they are easily 5 times better than they are now with a good mix of British and foreign stars and with tons of millions of money at their disposal (a luxury we do not have) and we are signing above average players and emphasizing on being a British side. Something not quite right here.

Not sure who your five are then.

Man Utd
Man City
Chelsea

Obvious choices. I will take exception to Arsenal and Tottenham (assuming they are your choices).

Arsenal are in free fall. The squad in thin and not capable of top 4 this season IMO. Sure they attack well, but defensively they're awful. We won't be getting tanked 8-2 by Man Utd for example.

Tottenham beat us 4-0, so what. 3 of those goals came as a direct result of being down to 9 men. You really think it would of finished 4-0 with a full team. I think not, it wouldn't even of finished 4-0 with 10 men.

Fourth is between Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs. I see us at the top of that pecking order even after the Spurs defeat. We are higher than both in the league and haven't even hit 100%.

Good post SCS

I realized that 3 goals Spurs scored was when we were down to 9 men, we might have ended losing the game 1-0 or at least gotten a draw if we were still full team, but not 4-0
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Postby stmichael » Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:42 pm

the number of spurs fans i've heard say that they are "nailed on for fourth" after the weekend is ludicrous. we were shocking and yet they score their last three goals against nine men. we're still above them in the table.

massive few weeks coming up though. wolves, the derby and then united next three league games. after that we have a run of games which look very winnable on paper.
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Postby zarababe » Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:48 pm

Fair article ...

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Forget the upcoming United game - THIS is the week that will define Liverpool's season
By David Maddock

Published 11:29 21/09/11

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In many ways, this is a week that can define Liverpool’s season.

On the surface, that may appear a rather strange assertion, given they have a rather important engagement with runaway Premier League leaders Manchester United on the horizon.

The point is though, we know how the Reds respond against the likes of the Champions. We know they have the quality and pride to produce a performance in that one-off game, because they’ve always done that.

What we don’t yet know, is if this current Liverpool incarnation, has the mental strength to emerge through a week like this one unscathed.

   Let’s face it, in recent years, they haven’t. The inherent weakness in the squads produced by Gerard Houllier and then Rafa Benitez (and I don’t even have to mention Roy Hodgson at this point, do I!), was the inability to consistently perform in the more mundane encounters.

There was always a suspicion both managers were wary of stronger characters in their squads, which helped in the imposition of discipline, but not when it came to the mental strength required throughout a league campaign.

Kenny Dalglish’s arrival has heralded a new way of thinking at Anfield, and this season, after his first summer of transfer dealing, the weeding out of some of the weaker characters offered genuine hope for the season, which was backed up by impressive early results.

Defeat at Stoke and then Tottenham though, has tempered that early optimism somewhat, and raised again the annual question of Liverpool’s character.

In defence of Dalglish, the reverse at the Britannia Stadium was light years away from the defeats Liverpool have suffered there in recent years. They dominated Stoke instead of being afraid of them, and were desperately uinlucky to lose.

There is no planet on which defeat at Spurs, though, could ever be described as unlucky. Depressing yes, dismal yes, and worrying. But not unlucky.

It was a defeat that raised too many painful memories of recent seasons, because it was one where a wounded Liverpool again had weaknesses ruthlessly exposed.

So, on that back of that experience – and the fear that not all of the problems of the past have disappeared - it is perhaps fair to suggest this week could be a defining one.

The Carling Cup has been Liverpool’s Achilles’ heel for some time, and it is best not to dwell on it. Brighton though, offers the sort of test that they have often failed in the past.

And Wolves at the weekend will also tell us much. It is a game they would expect to win, one the fans will demand they win after two painful league defeats.

But history has shown it is a game in which the old Liverpool, the one with the suspect character, often toiled in, in which they often lacked the mental strength and creative instinct to dominate and put away.

For what it’s worth, I still believe this is a very different Liverpool, even after that terrible display at Spurs. Remember how bad they have been in the past few years, remember the depths to which they plunged under successive managers.

It is easy to forget how low they slumped, and how far they were given to travel. So a fix won’t happen overnight, and it will take time for even a gnarled old football man like Dalglish to overturn things, and introduce the right mentality.

There are signs he is beginning to do that, and this week will tell us a lot more about his progress.

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Postby alwayslfc » Sun Sep 25, 2011 2:36 pm

With the current squad we still have many weaknesses and still lack consistency esp. away from home. First and 2nd places are reserved for the 2 Manc clubs. 3rd for Chelsea and 4th will be for Spurs who are much better than us. We will either finish 5th or 6th but with a narrower points difference compared to last season.  Call me doom merchant again if you like but this is the outcome I expect next May unless of course they slip up and we sign some star names in January. Now my beloved Liverpool, go out there and prove me wrong.
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Postby red till i die!! » Sun Sep 25, 2011 9:08 pm

the expectations are the same now as they were in august,4th and cl qualification.
the thoughts of a 5th place finish and qualifying for that useless excuse of a european booby prize absolutely makes me cringe.
4th and anything less is a failure in my book.
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Postby Thommo's perm » Sun Sep 25, 2011 9:39 pm

There is nothing stopping us from finishing in the top four because we have the players, the manager and the fans
Until it is impossible for us to win the league I say we will win it
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