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by **stmichael** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:44 am

skatesy wrote:On that note though - anyone who thinks that a combination of Suarez and Carroll is better than Suarez and Aguero, for example, has to shake their head.

If you look at a lot of players with the same price tag as Carroll, there is no comparison (so far).

Will people stop banging on about Aguero?

There isn't as chance in hell that Aguero would come here with no European football (never mind Champions League football). We also can't offer anywhere near the wages that Man City and Chelsea can offer.

Some fans are living in cloud cuckoo land.

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:23 pm

Football Manager on your laptop has a lot to blame for!!!

by **roberto green** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:46 pm

Reg wrote:
stmichael wrote:I actually thought he did ok against Spurs.

Which bit as I seemed to have missed it?

The bit where Carra give a short pass to him and it bounced off his shin as he failed to control it.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 1:49 pm

Adebayor > Carroll

the days of a big man, small man partnership is over. versatility and creativity are the most important factors a striker should have.

for Carroll, either he doesn't give a damn about football or he doesn't have a brain.

by **crazyhorse** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 2:17 pm

ffs the lad has been here 5 minutes! I am still happy over the length of his contract the terms will prove good business.

by **stmichael** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 2:17 pm

roberto green wrote:
Reg wrote:
stmichael wrote:I actually thought he did ok against Spurs.

Which bit as I seemed to have missed it?

The bit where Carra give a short pass to him and it bounced off his shin as he failed to control it.

he worked selflessly for the team by virtually having to play in a midfield role after we went down to ten men. what were people seriously expecting?

i give up.

by **Reg** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 2:46 pm

stmichael wrote:
roberto green wrote:
Reg wrote:
stmichael wrote:I actually thought he did ok against Spurs.

Which bit as I seemed to have missed it?

The bit where Carra give a short pass to him and it bounced off his shin as he failed to control it.

he worked selflessly for the team by virtually having to play in a midfield role after we went down to ten men. what were people seriously expecting?

i give up.

Are you quitting the forum? :laugh:

by **mart** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 3:05 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:The key is quality crosses
Havent seem many of them this season to be honest

Well we bought downing to provide crosses from the left wing, yet we let him roam around everywhere else on the pitch.

Andy Carrol is a limited player and we knew that when we bought him. We should decide if we want to build the team around him like newcastle did or if we want to get the best out of Suarez instead. I dont think they will work that great together.

by **metalhead** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 3:14 pm

You know the Suarez offside goal, shouldn't have been ruled out, it was actually Carroll trying to control the ball

by **red till i die!!** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 3:30 pm

i thought carroll looked much fitter against spurs and tbh he got no service at all either from the flanks or through the middle.he should have scored but suarez nicked it off his foot and was ruled offside.
if we are supplying decent crosses in and giving him decent support then we will all see whether he is decent or not but as yet we have given him nothing to feed on except scraps that he had to fight for.
he does need to work on his control and passing but again he isnt alone there either.

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 3:33 pm

red till i die!! wrote:i thought carroll looked much fitter against spurs and tbh he got no service at all either from the flanks or through the middle.he should have scored but suarez nicked it off his foot and was ruled offside.
if we are supplying decent crosses in and giving him decent support then we will all see whether he is decent or not but as yet we have given him nothing to feed on except scraps that he had to fight for.
he does need to work on his control and passing but again he isnt alone there either.

sensible post... at last!

by **parchpea** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:31 pm

If the lad is having problems trapping a ball and passing at this point then we really do have a problem. Those are basics at this level. We can buy any player to graft and help out in midfield, a decent shift is nothing any half arsed player cant put in. What we are expecting is something above the ordinary, for Carroll to stand out from his peers and show Liverpool he is the real deal. The guy can run his knack sack off all day long for me but thats nothing, we want to see star quality, just a glimpse of it, so we know hes got it in there waiting to come out. Carroll has not done that and until he does then he will continue to attract criticism and he knows it as well and thats half his trouble. The lads struggling and finding it hard to any momentumn going no questions about it.

by **stmichael** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:30 pm

bellamy would be a better partner for carroll imo if we're talking about partnerships. those two should be paired together where as suarez and kuyt should be paired together as they showed last season.

by **aCe'** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:53 pm

stmichael wrote:bellamy would be a better partner for carroll imo if we're talking about partnerships. those two should be paired together where as suarez and kuyt should be paired together as they showed last season.

Gotta agree with that..

I really dont understand how Kenny expects Carroll to make an impact when asking him to come deep and contribute in building up play rather than staying upfront and looking for the ball inside the box. Its unfair on the kid and it does his confidence (and the fans confidence in him) no favors putting him out there week in week out setting him up for failure.

We dont have wide players who are good at carrying/dribbling the ball and delivering good ball in the box, and the one player we have who can potentially do that is not being asked to. I dont buy into the whole Henderson/Downing providing from wide areas stuff because in reality things arent that simple. Henderson lacks any sort of pace or trickery and the chances of him putting in decent crosses consistently without being able to beat a man are slim to say the least.

That said, I expect the return of Gerrard and Johnson to be the catalyst to a new and improved Carroll... With the drive through the middle that Gerrard provides, and Johnson's runs on and off the ball down the flank, our wide players should have more space and time to pick out better crosses and thats where Carroll's aerial presence becomes a factor.

Hes a poor poor player outside the box, but his heading is excellent and he has a good strike on him which makes him a handful inside the box. Unless we decide to play to his strengths, we shouldn't be starting him.

by **stmichael** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:00 pm

aCe' wrote:Unless we decide to play to his strengths, we shouldn't be starting him.

I agree entirely with that. You can count the number of crosses he's had to attack in open play so far in his Liverpool career on one hand.

The other players in our side are making Carroll look worse than we all know he is. If he starts at the weekend then Downing needs to be told to stick the the left touchline and stay there, not drifting all over the place.

We also badly need Kelly or Johnson back to fitness because as it stands at the moment our right hand side is non existent and we're lopsided. I know Johnson has his faults but he's a brilliant footballer going forward. Only Suarez is a better dribbler in the squad.

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