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by **maypaxvobiscum** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:59 pm

Reg wrote:I don't give a monkey's chuff whether he cost 35 or 25 million, he's the odd man out at the moment. Against Spurs he was simply bad. He's a ponderous, unfit, slow panzer with one track hanging off. Adebayor, same size, athletic, swift and nimble - no attribute DonkeyFeet could be accused of. He's simple not athletic enough to cope in the modern game - he should try rugby but I'm sure he's neither fit enough for that game either.

More worrying is he doesn't fit Suarez's style. Suarez needs someone equally fast and fit, equally instinctive, equally deft. He needs a Barcelona 'beautiful football' partner, not a a dray horse knackered after pulling the beer wagon all day.

Bellamy would have been more effective today alongside Suarez... provoking him, challenging him with thru balls and runs... none of which the Geordie baffoon could muster. Kuyt is a better provider, Bellamy a better finisher. Bring back N'gog. Shoot the pony tailed pretender.

I simply didn't see a player hurting by yesterday's ravaging, I didn't see a player with a response or any touch of genius to change the situation. Big Carol simply maintained her gameplan and passed into thin air when 2 men were missing. Was he ever an on-goal threat? I doubt it. Capello was right.

Over to you Kenny.

couldn't have said it better myself.

so when's our next drinking session Reginald? are you back in SG yet?

by **jacdaniel** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:18 pm

He's been at the club for 9 months now and has done little to justify a place in the team let alone the fee we paid for him. Im really hoping the lad can turn it around.

He's flopping just as bad as Torres is at chelsea, granted he was injured and unfit for awhile. But that excuse only lasted so long.

by **Reg** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:25 pm

maypaxvobiscum wrote:
Reg wrote:I don't give a monkey's chuff whether he cost 35 or 25 million, he's the odd man out at the moment. Against Spurs he was simply bad. He's a ponderous, unfit, slow panzer with one track hanging off. Adebayor, same size, athletic, swift and nimble - no attribute DonkeyFeet could be accused of. He's simple not athletic enough to cope in the modern game - he should try rugby but I'm sure he's neither fit enough for that game either.

More worrying is he doesn't fit Suarez's style. Suarez needs someone equally fast and fit, equally instinctive, equally deft. He needs a Barcelona 'beautiful football' partner, not a a dray horse knackered after pulling the beer wagon all day.

Bellamy would have been more effective today alongside Suarez... provoking him, challenging him with thru balls and runs... none of which the Geordie baffoon could muster. Kuyt is a better provider, Bellamy a better finisher. Bring back N'gog. Shoot the pony tailed pretender.

I simply didn't see a player hurting by yesterday's ravaging, I didn't see a player with a response or any touch of genius to change the situation. Big Carol simply maintained her gameplan and passed into thin air when 2 men were missing. Was he ever an on-goal threat? I doubt it. Capello was right.

Over to you Kenny.

couldn't have said it better myself.

so when's our next drinking session Reginald? are you back in SG yet?

Back last friday, same day the missus got MIO installed... fark me, what a first game!

Am off to the GP this weekend... wheres the best place to watch from if he just have a general pass? (wife and kids in tow...)

by **parchpea** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:28 pm

Trouble is when you think you see a bad one it usually is a bad one and only on the odd occasion do these things turn around. You try and stay positive, you really do, and hope that the lad can start showing something but the moment you strat making excuses, looking for hope, is really the time you know its a bad call. Carroll has been dreadful, and if anyone connected with the club has not at least had a moments doubt then they must be dead from the neck up.

by **skatesy** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:36 pm

Reg wrote:I don't give a monkey's chuff whether he cost 35 or 25 million, he's the odd man out at the moment. Against Spurs he was simply bad. He's a ponderous, unfit, slow panzer with one track hanging off. Adebayor, same size, athletic, swift and nimble - no attribute DonkeyFeet could be accused of. He's simple not athletic enough to cope in the modern game - he should try rugby but I'm sure he's neither fit enough for that game either.

More worrying is he doesn't fit Suarez's style. Suarez needs someone equally fast and fit, equally instinctive, equally deft. He needs a Barcelona 'beautiful football' partner, not a a dray horse knackered after pulling the beer wagon all day.

Bellamy would have been more effective today alongside Suarez... provoking him, challenging him with thru balls and runs... none of which the Geordie baffoon could muster. Kuyt is a better provider, Bellamy a better finisher. Bring back N'gog. Shoot the pony tailed pretender.

I simply didn't see a player hurting by yesterday's ravaging, I didn't see a player with a response or any touch of genius to change the situation. Big Carol simply maintained her gameplan and passed into thin air when 2 men were missing. Was he ever an on-goal threat? I doubt it. Capello was right.

Over to you Kenny.

The truth, there it is.

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:17 pm

we bought Downing and Henderson to provide service for Andy but lets be honest, the balls to him all season have been terrible, and when one does land on his head there is nobody around him for him to knock it down for.

The critiscism of him is way too harsh, the rest of the team are as much to blame for his perfrmaces.

He worked really hard against Spurs, auguably our best player yet he is still getting blamed.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:40 pm

Reg wrote:wheres the best place to watch from if he just have a general pass? (wife and kids in tow...)

best place? from home

perhaps somewhere around Marina or City Hall. the human traffic is gonna be mad though.

by **aCe'** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 7:09 pm

About time Kenny starts giving the kid a shot at succeeding. 4-4-2 with Lucas and Spearing in the middle with 2 wide players who will put it in the box regularly. For the cup game, I'd give this formation a try:

Kuyt Spearing Lucas Downing

Bellamy Carroll

by **skatesy** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 7:27 pm

Ola Mr Benitez wrote:we bought Downing and Henderson to provide service for Andy but lets be honest, the balls to him all season have been terrible, and when one does land on his head there is nobody around him for him to knock it down for.

The critiscism of him is way too harsh, the rest of the team are as much to blame for his perfrmaces.

He worked really hard against Spurs, auguably our best player yet he is still getting blamed.

I think that every time Liverpool has played the whole, "hoof it or cross it into Carroll and let him knock it down to someone" strategy we have looked like :censored:

. When we actually keep the ball on the ground, pass and move it around we have looked far better.

by **Thommo's perm** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 7:38 pm

The key is quality crosses
Havent seem many of them this season to be honest

by **stmichael** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:53 pm

I actually thought he did ok against Spurs. Unfortunately due to circumstance he did most of his work in the wrong areas of the pitch.

Hope he bangs in a couple against Brighton.

by **roysreds** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:37 pm

Reg wrote:I don't give a monkey's chuff whether he cost 35 or 25 million, he's the odd man out at the moment. Against Spurs he was simply bad. He's a ponderous, unfit, slow panzer with one track hanging off. Adebayor, same size, athletic, swift and nimble - no attribute DonkeyFeet could be accused of. He's simple not athletic enough to cope in the modern game - he should try rugby but I'm sure he's neither fit enough for that game either.

More worrying is he doesn't fit Suarez's style. Suarez needs someone equally fast and fit, equally instinctive, equally deft. He needs a Barcelona 'beautiful football' partner, not a a dray horse knackered after pulling the beer wagon all day.

Bellamy would have been more effective today alongside Suarez... provoking him, challenging him with thru balls and runs... none of which the Geordie baffoon could muster. Kuyt is a better provider, Bellamy a better finisher. Bring back N'gog. Shoot the pony tailed pretender.

I simply didn't see a player hurting by yesterday's ravaging, I didn't see a player with a response or any touch of genius to change the situation. Big Carol simply maintained her gameplan and passed into thin air when 2 men were missing. Was he ever an on-goal threat? I doubt it. Capello was right.

Over to you Kenny.

.
Ponderous, that's the word i've been looking for

we have a ponderous No 9

.

by **Zidane** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:42 pm

To be honest at this point I gotta shift a lot of the blame onto Kenny for what's going on, obviously its early days and the season is long but he's spent a lot of money on these players and Carroll has been misused all season long. We're expecting him to fit into a team that isn't playing to his strengths at all. Bit like Torres with Chelsea pretty much, Torres obviously has it in him to be a trrific playa but at Chelsea he's up against it. I'll keep rooting for big Andy and hopefully soon he'll show what he's about more often.

by **Reg** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 1:32 am

stmichael wrote:I actually thought he did ok against Spurs.

Which bit as I seemed to have missed it?

by **skatesy** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:30 am

I know the money side of the Andy Carroll issue is a hot topic and, in a lot of ways, rightly so.

On that note though - anyone who thinks that a combination of Suarez and Carroll is better than Suarez and Aguero, for example, has to shake their head.

If you look at a lot of players with the same price tag as Carroll, there is no comparison (so far).

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