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by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 10:51 am

Kenny Kan wrote:
Defenders hate playing Andy Carroll coz he is a nightmare to defend against.

The cries from Gooner fans to Wenger were.. "Arsene, if your short of cash ask Vermaelen - he's got 35Million tucked away in his back pocket".

What where the Man City fans singing last year?

by **RedAnt** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 10:54 am

Ola Mr Benitez wrote:Unbelievable. Do you only see what he can't do rather than what he brings to us? There is a reason why fans are just fans and people like Kenny Dalglish is a manager.

Defenders hate playing Andy Carroll coz he is a nightmare to defend against. He causes so many gaps to appear that other players take advantage of.

The biggest problem he is having currently is the rest of the team seem to think everything has to go to his head. Some of the service he has been given is appauling.

I don't care what he cost, he is a young lad playing for one of the biggest clubs in world football. YOU NEED TO GIVE HIM YOUR SUPPORT. IT'S WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO!

He is a totally different type of player to Suarez, Torres, Owen, Fowler. Why do people try and compare him to them? The closest player I think he is like is Shearer, and if he manages to get to be as good as him, I will be made up.

It's going to take time, but Andy Carroll is going to be a big player for us, don't write him of yet

And sure, Vermaelen had Carroll covered....which left Suarez free of him. That's kind of the point. Carroll has many strengths. Focus on those, people, and not his weakness's.

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 11:51 am

Dalglish is no fool ,especially when spending other peoples money .I believe the big fella will come good this season ,he simply has to ,otherwise it will be like kicking the man who has shown so much faith in his ability squarely in the teeth . I just wish that when he starts a game or is introduced we could limit the sheer amount of lofted hopeful balls to the Lads head ,and bring him into the game more by playing to his feet .

by **Kenny Kan** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 11:54 am

ForeverAugust wrote:
Ola Mr Benitez wrote:Unbelievable. Do you only see what he can't do rather than what he brings to us? There is a reason why fans are just fans and people like Kenny Dalglish is a manager.

Defenders hate playing Andy Carroll coz he is a nightmare to defend against. He causes so many gaps to appear that other players take advantage of.

The biggest problem he is having currently is the rest of the team seem to think everything has to go to his head. Some of the service he has been given is appauling.

I don't care what he cost, he is a young lad playing for one of the biggest clubs in world football. YOU NEED TO GIVE HIM YOUR SUPPORT. IT'S WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO!

He is a totally different type of player to Suarez, Torres, Owen, Fowler. Why do people try and compare him to them? The closest player I think he is like is Shearer, and if he manages to get to be as good as him, I will be made up.

It's going to take time, but Andy Carroll is going to be a big player for us, don't write him of yet

And sure, Vermaelen had Carroll covered....which left Suarez free of him. That's kind of the point. Carroll has many strengths. Focus on those, people, and not his weakness's.

The mighty midget Vermaelen had Carroll tucked up way before Suarez came on. In fact hadn't Suarez came on we would have struggled to come away with all 3pts.

Fact is, immobile target men are much easier to mark out of a game than players like Torres and Suarez who make their own space. Plus Carroll had trouble staying on his feet against Vermaelen and the other Arsenal defenders, he wasn't holding the ball up well at all, and during that game he had the touch of a rapist.

Hence, he found himself sitting on the bench for the Bolton game.

by **Thommo's perm** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 11:58 am

Ola Mr Benitez wrote:Unbelievable. Do you only see what he can't do rather than what he brings to us? There is a reason why fans are just fans and people like Kenny Dalglish is a manager.

Defenders hate playing Andy Carroll coz he is a nightmare to defend against. He causes so many gaps to appear that other players take advantage of.

The biggest problem he is having currently is the rest of the team seem to think everything has to go to his head. Some of the service he has been given is appauling.

I don't care what he cost, he is a young lad playing for one of the biggest clubs in world football. YOU NEED TO GIVE HIM YOUR SUPPORT. IT'S WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO!

He is a totally different type of player to Suarez, Torres, Owen, Fowler. Why do people try and compare him to them? The closest player I think he is like is Shearer, and if he manages to get to be as good as him, I will be made up.

It's going to take time, but Andy Carroll is going to be a big player for us, don't write him of yet

Is that meant for me?

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:04 pm

No TP, i dont think your posts are just writing him off as a waste of money and a division 1 player like some on here.

by **aCe'** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:07 pm

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:Dalglish is no fool ,especially when spending other peoples money .I believe the big fella will come good this season ,he simply has to ,otherwise it will be like kicking the man who has shown so much faith in his ability squarely in the teeth . I just wish that when he starts a game or is introduced we could limit the sheer amount of lofted hopeful balls to the Lads head ,and bring him into the game more by playing to his feet .

I dont see the point in having him on the pitch if we are looking to play it to his feet. For me, hes not yet at the level where he can make an impact coming deeper and helping with the buildup process or going at defenders. Not a particularly good dribbler and seems clueless when on possession outside the box.

What he is is a decent finisher and a big presence in the box. If we are going to play him, then I'd wish we concentrated more on getting the midfielders building up play patiently to allow the fullbacks to push up and add numbers to eventually either put in a dangerous cross or play him a good ball inside the box.

The long balls, much like having him involved in the buildup play, will only lead to a lack of fluidity and a general waste of his qualities.

For now though, I think the best option is to use him selectively while working with him on training on improving certain aspects of his game. We need an impact sub (as most big clubs do imo) and he would be my pick for now.

by **Thommo's perm** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:12 pm

Ola Mr Benitez wrote:No TP, i dont think your posts are just writing him off as a waste of money and a division 1 player like some on here.

Absolutely not
I believe he has tremendous potential and it all depends on his attitude
It would do him no harm whatsoever to look at Dzekos performance against spurs. Similar height and build but so effective in the air and on the deck.
Carroll could do that without a shred of a doubt.

by **RedAnt** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:24 pm

Kenny Kan wrote:
ForeverAugust wrote:
Ola Mr Benitez wrote:Unbelievable. Do you only see what he can't do rather than what he brings to us? There is a reason why fans are just fans and people like Kenny Dalglish is a manager.

Defenders hate playing Andy Carroll coz he is a nightmare to defend against. He causes so many gaps to appear that other players take advantage of.

The biggest problem he is having currently is the rest of the team seem to think everything has to go to his head. Some of the service he has been given is appauling.

I don't care what he cost, he is a young lad playing for one of the biggest clubs in world football. YOU NEED TO GIVE HIM YOUR SUPPORT. IT'S WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO!

He is a totally different type of player to Suarez, Torres, Owen, Fowler. Why do people try and compare him to them? The closest player I think he is like is Shearer, and if he manages to get to be as good as him, I will be made up.

It's going to take time, but Andy Carroll is going to be a big player for us, don't write him of yet

And sure, Vermaelen had Carroll covered....which left Suarez free of him. That's kind of the point. Carroll has many strengths. Focus on those, people, and not his weakness's.

The mighty midget Vermaelen had Carroll tucked up way before Suarez came on. In fact hadn't Suarez came on we would have struggled to come away with all 3pts.

Fact is, immobile target men are much easier to mark out of a game than players like Torres and Suarez who make their own space. Plus Carroll had trouble staying on his feet against Vermaelen and the other Arsenal defenders, he wasn't holding the ball up well at all, and during that game he had the touch of a rapist.

Hence, he found himself sitting on the bench for the Bolton game.

Yes, but i'm talking more of the as they say "foil" role. Carroll needs marking. If that creates space for others and takes the defences attention, then I don't suppose it matters wether Carroll wins or loses his battle. It certainly can't do him any harm to play games like against Arsenal. All part of the learning process.

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:26 pm

Give up ForeverAugust - Kenny Kan does not want to see his strengths.

Luck Kenny Dalglish can.

I know which Kenny I would rather was in charge

by **RedAnt** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:36 pm

Ola Mr Benitez wrote:Give up ForeverAugust - Kenny Kan does not want to see his strengths.

Luck Kenny Dalglish can.

I know which Kenny I would rather was in charge

Aye. Just..the whole Anti-Andy brigade confuse me. If Carroll was a proven flop, I could understand it. If he was playing badly, I could understand it. If there was no potential, I could understand it. Andy hasn't played many games for us yet, he's still finding his feet, he's a young lad with a lot to learn, he's bagged a few goals, he's doing pretty well. What's the problem? *shrugs*

by **RedAnt** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:01 pm

I'd like to add that the reason I defend Carroll so much is because whilst some offer healthy and fair criticism on the subject others seem to take direct shots at Carroll himself, and sometimes not so direct shots, so let's keep it in perspective.

It's Dalglish and Camoli who decided to sign Carroll. It's the board who backed the decision, and it's the owners who are funding it (plus the Torres money of course). Carroll never set the fee, he just took the chance to play for Liverpool. Now he has to try to live up to that fee. I guess he could have chickened out and remained at Newcastle?

Frustrations now, and any anger at potential...floppage (good word eh?) later...should be directed at the owners, the managment, and the board.

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:04 pm

aCe' wrote:
RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:Dalglish is no fool ,especially when spending other peoples money .I believe the big fella will come good this season ,he simply has to ,otherwise it will be like kicking the man who has shown so much faith in his ability squarely in the teeth . I just wish that when he starts a game or is introduced we could limit the sheer amount of lofted hopeful balls to the Lads head ,and bring him into the game more by playing to his feet .

I dont see the point in having him on the pitch if we are looking to play it to his feet. For me, hes not yet at the level where he can make an impact coming deeper and helping with the buildup process or going at defenders. Not a particularly good dribbler and seems clueless when on possession outside the box.

What he is is a decent finisher and a big presence in the box. If we are going to play him, then I'd wish we concentrated more on getting the midfielders building up play patiently to allow the fullbacks to push up and add numbers to eventually either put in a dangerous cross or play him a good ball inside the box.

The long balls, much like having him involved in the buildup play, will only lead to a lack of fluidity and a general waste of his qualities.

For now though, I think the best option is to use him selectively while working with him on training on improving certain aspects of his game. We need an impact sub (as most big clubs do imo) and he would be my pick for now.

He is competent enough with the ball at his feet (his time at Newcastle is testament to that ) ,but Like you stated his hold up play needs serious work . I also believe he is having to develop a completely new doctrine based on the Liverpool pass and move method that Dalglish is once again trying to utilise to its full effect .I do however agree to a certain extent that as of now, he needs to be introduced when games are in the balance.
Andy Carroll has been familiarised with the concept of being Newcastle's main threat, and his one priority was to put the ball in the net ,by the quickest and most direct route possible ,whereas at the Reds Dalglish is asking him to play with his back to goal ,and attempt to bring others into play .

by **jacdaniel** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:10 pm

A few posts back i said that Carroll should remain on the bench until he can justify a place in the team and i stand by that post. Im not gonna b.itch about him or call him a flop but the team is more important, and we're clearly doing better without him at the moment.

What we need to do is work harder on the training field so we can get the most out of him when he is on the pitch.

For now though, i think he should be on the bench and used as an impact sub.

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:17 pm

I think it depends on who we are playing. There are going to be games where Andy's more physical presence will work better.

I think he will probably start against Stoke on Saturday and will do well against them

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