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Postby aCe' » Sun Aug 28, 2011 4:54 pm

jimmy brighton wrote:I had a very heated debate with a friend about Lucas. So heated that I threatened to rip his head off. That conversation took place nearly 3 years ago. 3 fuking years!! The friend in question backed down about a year later and admitted he was wrong and that yes, Lucas was a good player. Now 2 years later we are seeing Lucas turn from a good player into a world class player and yet we still have to read posts like yours :no
I bet any premier manager in the country would love to have Lucas in there side

Can you not read kiddo ?

Go right ahead over-hyping players. performances, expectations...etc but dont expect everyone to follow suit ..
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Postby Greavesie » Sun Aug 28, 2011 4:57 pm

really beginning to warm to this lad. I always appreciated his input but I'm really starting to take notice
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Postby Thommo's perm » Sun Aug 28, 2011 9:50 pm

If someone plays sh'ite for 3 years and I say hes good, when he eventually starts to get better and improve, does that mean I was right all along?
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Lucas has improved and has at last become a player that can justify his place in our team.
He has his strengths and his weaknesses and is by no means indespensable. But, if he keeps improving and learning from his mistakes there is no reason that he cant become a key part of our future success
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Postby metalhead » Sun Aug 28, 2011 11:24 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:If someone plays sh'ite for 3 years and I say hes good, when he eventually starts to get better and improve, does that mean I was right all along?
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Lucas has improved and has at last become a player that can justify his place in our team.
He has his strengths and his weaknesses and is by no means indespensable. But, if he keeps improving and learning from his mistakes there is no reason that he cant become a key part of our future success

Agreed, he is doing very well and deserves to be in the side nuff said

And I agree with Ace, ridiculious comparing him to Makelele, Vieira and Hamann.
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Postby The Good Yank » Sun Aug 28, 2011 11:28 pm

I think calling Lucas "World Class" is overstating quite a bit.  He's become a very solid holding midfielder, nothing more.  I also don't think he was ever as bad as he was being made out to be.
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Postby Kenny Kan » Mon Aug 29, 2011 12:36 am

If someone plays sh'ite for 3 years and I say hes good, when he eventually starts to get better and improve, does that mean I was right all along?


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Postby peterc1992 » Mon Aug 29, 2011 4:54 am

aCe' wrote:
peterc1992 wrote:
aCe' wrote:
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jimmy brighton wrote:Lucas played the most important part in Suarez's goal against Arsenal, did you miss that or something?

Course he did.Iv heard it all.He shits out of tackles,he cant pass it.When he is the highest tackler in all of europe last year and one of the best pass succes rates in England.

But i suppose that doesnt matter because most are 'sideways'

He doesnt score goals but how many goals did viera Fletcher makalele score? a few a season,Lucas has one a season playing in a very average side that went through transition.Fletcher Viera makelele played in some of the greatest sides ever where gettin your name on the goal sheet wasnt that hard.

The thing is some Liverpool fans call themselves fans when all they do is look for thing to give out about.There is always something to give out about for them yet we had a brilliant start to the season.

Take a look at yourself and reslitically do you think that you know more than Kenny? If Lucas is good enough in Hodgsons Kennys Benitez's Mano Menezes eyes then why on earth do you think he is only average?

Ridiculous comparing him to the likes of Vieira and Makelele...

Hes not a top player but as someone suggested you dont really need a starting 11 of top players to make a team work... For me, hes good enough to start in the side we currently have but not good enough if we want to go out and win the title given the players we'll most likely rely on to do so (Gerrard in an advanced role and Suarez + Downing + Carroll).. We'll need someone who offers more at both ends and particularly in the defensive side of things...

I have no problems with Lucas keeping it tidy and simple. Playing the short, sideways pass and knowing that it isnt in his job description or his strongest suit doing so.. He's also improved quite a lot defensively but still isnt amongst the best in his position.

All that said, again I think its nonsense criticizing the guy now given the performances hes put out so far this season and the decent season he had last time around... 

Theres certainly something to be noted in us having 2 of our worst seasons with him coming into the side regularly and failing to produce the goods, but atm I feel our expectations of the team as a whole and the players individually need to be a little more realistic..

Fair point.I am comparing him to those because people have use those players as a example of good players in his position and I was just stating that he doest the same job but is also younger and is in a weaker the team the last two years.

Viera and Makalele are serious players but are all in there mid 30's.We cant compare because Lucas has it all ahead of him.
I included Fletcher because as much as he is underated he played in league winning sides and great side has a dark horse in it.Gilberto was a dark horse in Arsenal's side when they won the league in I think 2003? Yet every calls him :censored: now.


I disagree that Lucas cant be in a league winning side.He is a great player in a good team at the minute.He was thrown into the deep end when Alonso left and we were :censored: by the two yanks.This lad kept his head down and did he job and still got abused because he didnt do anything spectacular. wrong place wrong time for him. But now after the abuse laying off the idiots are starting to notice that he is decent.He performance to today was unbelieavble but still the idiots wont comment on it because they will wait till he makes a mistake the pick it out.


Iv no more to say but LUCAS IS BOSS

He is starting in this team for the next 10 years and Id love some genius to tell me or king kenny any differ.

Give it a rest... The transformation is there for all to see.. Im sure if you ask Lucas himself he'll tell you theres no comparing his performances now with his performances 2 years ago or so... He's developed and is now finally good enough to play in the side and play regularly.

Back then, I still maintain that his incompetence paired with wrong tactical and transfer/selection decisions led to our downfall.. Lets remember that when he was thrown into the side, it was a title challenging side and the stakes/expectations were a lot higher. He buckled, as did pretty much everyone else involved not least of which were the owners and managers.

Right now, hes playing his best football and deserves all the praise he gets. Trying to say that he was good a couple of years back, or that he will become better than Vieira, Makelele or even Hamann is pushing it a bit too far imo...

Hes paying his heart out and covering as much ground as anyone and that to a large extent is why hes producing the displays he currently is. Im not saying hes lacking in quality or is a bad footballer, far from it (i still think hes naturally a box to box player). But given his natural talent, I cant really see him becoming better than the players you mention up there were simply because they were some of the best players around in their positions based on both talent and application.

As for the whole starting for the next 10 years thing... We'll just have to wait and see. If he continues to develop and improve the way he has in the past 6-12 months then sure, he might be able to keep his spot in the side despite the competition. My take on it is that we'll soon have to bring in someone who is more specialized defensively if we are going to go after the title. In all likelihood, Gerrard is going to be pairing up with out defensive midfielder soon in the middle of the park with Suarez and Carroll our long term attacking force. For that, we'll need someone who is consistently impressive defensively and has good defensive awareness and positioning...

Im sure you'll jump on the post and list all the good hes done in the game against Bolton but its not about 1 game or even 3 months of good football.. For me, hes a starter in a side challenging for 4th.. For a title winning side and CL hopefuls, its a totally different ball game..

Im not saying he will be as good as these.These players are great players but these are players in the same position and alot of people are saying Lucas is :censored: because he isnt as good as these yet he has years to catch up.

Time  will tell.Im just saying that he a great player who is gettin stick for no reason when all he does is keep showing up with performances.Hes no makelele but he does the same thing in a weaker team and he is the same type of player so should not be criticised because he doesnt assist and because he doesnt score goals.

Iv heard people say that Lucas will never be a centre mid in a title winning team but tis very pre mature to say it and thats all Im saying.Dark horses like him make a huge difference.
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Postby maypaxvobiscum » Mon Aug 29, 2011 5:50 am

Greavesie wrote:really beginning to warm to this lad. I always appreciated his input but I'm really starting to take notice

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Postby ICE-MAN » Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:46 am

Lucas was class on saturday, totally bossed the midfield and even had Kevin Davies in his pocket for all the Bolton Kick outs!!!
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Postby Igor Zidane » Fri Sep 09, 2011 10:50 pm

Just robbed this off another site , it's well erm boss.


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Postby red till i die!! » Sun Sep 18, 2011 6:40 pm

absolute cack today and looks everybit like the lucas from a couple of seasons ago.
all the rest of the midfield is getting a pasting and he should be no exception especially since he had a good season last year and is the most experienced there at the minute.
seems like he took one step forward and 5 back which tbh is no surprise.
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Postby Thommo's perm » Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:57 am

red till i die!! wrote:absolute cack today and looks everybit like the lucas from a couple of seasons ago.
all the rest of the midfield is getting a pasting and he should be no exception especially since he had a good season last year and is the most experienced there at the minute.
seems like he took one step forward and 5 back which tbh is no surprise.

Agreed
The same player that had some of us hoping he would be shipped out in the summer
Needs to raise his game to justify his place. The only saving grace is that they were all sh'ite yesterday so he cant be blamed alone.
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Postby SouthCoastShankly » Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:11 am

Thommo's perm wrote:
red till i die!! wrote:absolute cack today and looks everybit like the lucas from a couple of seasons ago.
all the rest of the midfield is getting a pasting and he should be no exception especially since he had a good season last year and is the most experienced there at the minute.
seems like he took one step forward and 5 back which tbh is no surprise.

Agreed
The same player that had some of us hoping he would be shipped out in the summer
Needs to raise his game to justify his place. The only saving grace is that they were all sh'ite yesterday so he cant be blamed alone.

Lucas is the last person to point any blame after yesterdays performance.

As bad as we were there were no other Liverpool midfielder's who played better.
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Postby Thommo's perm » Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:33 am

SouthCoastShankly wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:
red till i die!! wrote:absolute cack today and looks everybit like the lucas from a couple of seasons ago.
all the rest of the midfield is getting a pasting and he should be no exception especially since he had a good season last year and is the most experienced there at the minute.
seems like he took one step forward and 5 back which tbh is no surprise.

Agreed
The same player that had some of us hoping he would be shipped out in the summer
Needs to raise his game to justify his place. The only saving grace is that they were all sh'ite yesterday so he cant be blamed alone.

Lucas is the last person to point any blame after yesterdays performance.

As bad as we were there were no other Liverpool midfielder's who played better.

Exactly
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Postby Ciggy » Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:38 am

Him and Adam where dreadfull even before the sending off if others can be critized then so can the Brazilian midfield general.  He was not to blame for yesterdays defeat but that Spurs have just waltzed through our midfield a bit to much for my liking in recent meetings with him in the team.  He will probably be brilliant against United and Everton though.
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