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by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 2:06 pm

ah yes - i forgot about him.. oops says a lot about his performances so far

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 2:18 pm

Penguins wrote:
Ola Mr Benitez wrote:
Penguins wrote:Mr Sideways is always going tp be average imo when compared to his predecessors.
He will never be close to Alonso or Masch.
He is pretty good at protecting the back 4 but he is slow which makes him do stipdi fouls around the box and get turned inside out by players like Nasri.
My biggest gripe though is that he offeres 0 going forward. As soon as he gets over the halfway line he passes it sideways or back and practically never make any forward runs with or withour the ball.
Good although one deminsional but never ever will he be world class.

yeah - I remember all the amazing passes Mascherano used to make, he was SO creative!!

get real - Lucas is part of a team, his job is to break up play, he then passes it to someone who's strength is passing. Seems like a good team player to me.

sigh, how can you even compare masch with Lucas...

Sure, Masch like Lucas never made defense splitting passes and offered just as little offensivly as Lucas.
BUT Masch was better in every other department than Lucas.
He was so much faster, a much better tackler, a real leader on the pitch. He could put a player in his back pocket for a game and keep him there. He was world class as a dm.

Lucas... not even close. His job is to break up play and he is decent at it. Because of his lock of pace he will easliy be turned away by the better player in the league causing him to take clumsy fouls.

Im not comparing Lucas with Mascherano.

Im just getting a bit tired of everyone having a pop at him when you look at how good his stats are.

He was our best outfield player last year and that takes a lot especially when he was getting slagged every time he played by some "fans".

We seem to have become a group that focus on peoples weaknesses rather than their strengths.

Kenny is trying to build a team that operates as a unit, its not full of the best players in the world but, as I have said on another thread, if you look back at how the most succesful Liverpool teams where set up, they where neer full of superstars. Sure we had world class players dottesd throughout the team but it was the fact that time and time again we had "good" players that fitted into the system that made up great.

This is what Kenny is doing now.

World class - Reina, Gerrard, Suarez
Good - Downing, Adam, Carra, Enrique, Kuyt, Agger and I would include Lucas
Promising - Carroll, Kelly, Robinson

2 games played - 4 points gained and one of them Arsenal AWAY with a team that half where not here this time last year.

Lucas is dong well. Look at his stats last year. He has made more tackles than any other Premiership player so far this year. That is good, isnt it?

He is not Mascher. He is not Alonso. But we never won the league with them players in our team. I think within 3 yrs we could win the league with the team that Kenny is putting together and Lucass is young enough and improving season on season to believe he could still be in the team when that happens.

by **jimmy brighton** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 2:38 pm

I wouldn't bother rising to the bait Mr. B. If someone put in a cross and Lucas managed to do a triple somersault before hammering the ball into the top corner of the goal with his left ear, then Penguins would still say he should have done a double somersault and used his right ear

To people like Penguins, Lucas aint ever gonna be any good. (Even if he has just collected his 1,000th cap for Brazil)

by **aCe'** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:00 pm

Interesting that the Lucas debate is coming up now .. He's playing his best football for the club and has become an important starter for the side.

I still maintain that he's not good enough for a starting spot in a title winning side but as things stand, he's doing the job and he's doing it well.. Same probably applies to Kuyt (although with better players around we can probably afford having him).

Any criticism at the moment is not justified imo.. Guy deserves praise for his performances so far and no less..

by **Penguins** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:14 pm

jimmy brighton wrote:I wouldn't bother rising to the bait Mr. B. If someone put in a cross and Lucas managed to do a triple somersault before hammering the ball into the top corner of the goal with his left ear, then Penguins would still say he should have done a double somersault and used his right ear
To people like Penguins, Lucas aint ever gonna be any good. (Even if he has just collected his 1,000th cap for Brazil)

If Lucas would

1) be a starting player in a title winning side
or
2) be a starting player in a world cup winning side
or
3) score 5 goals in a season

I'll eat humble pie.

Until then Lucas is a overhyped decent player who doesn't bring anything extra to the table.
Clearly better now than his first few pisspoor seasons though.
Why we endured with his dross then I'll never know...

Something that in my book is never good enough for LFC and never will be good enough:

1)Work hard. Not much more just that.
2)Keeping it simple, tidy etc. In other words achieve nothing
3)Great attitude. i don't care if the player is St MAry or Dracula. If Dracula does the business and is a quality fotballer, Dracula all the way.

Quality, pace, skill and creativity>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
attitude, hard work, sideway passes until tomorrow and stone feet.

by **wrighty (not mark!)** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:24 pm

St Mary loves a cross though...but Dracula shades it for me

by **Penguins** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:32 pm

wrighty (not mark!) wrote:St Mary loves a cross though...but Dracula shades it for me

by **redtrader74** » Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:19 am

He's not great, but he has become very good at what he does, and at the end of last season, when we played the most expansive football we have for years, his attacking skills also came to the fore. The guy is disciplined and does what he is asked to.

As for being a member of a title winning side, ther are plenty of examples of average players that have managed it, Fletcher, Butt and P. Neville spring to mind. You don't necessarily need a team of superstars, you need a cohesive unit, and Lucas is playing his part.

by **jimmy brighton** » Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:39 am

redtrader74 wrote:He's not great, but he has become very good at what he does, and at the end of last season, when we played the most expansive football we have for years, his attacking skills also came to the fore. The guy is disciplined and does what he is asked to.

As for being a member of a title winning side, ther are plenty of examples of average players that have managed it, Fletcher, Butt and P. Neville spring to mind. You don't necessarily need a team of superstars, you need a cohesive unit, and Lucas is playing his part.

Well put but Lucas is not an average player.

by **redtrader74** » Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:44 am

jimmy brighton wrote:
redtrader74 wrote:He's not great, but he has become very good at what he does, and at the end of last season, when we played the most expansive football we have for years, his attacking skills also came to the fore. The guy is disciplined and does what he is asked to.

As for being a member of a title winning side, ther are plenty of examples of average players that have managed it, Fletcher, Butt and P. Neville spring to mind. You don't necessarily need a team of superstars, you need a cohesive unit, and Lucas is playing his part.

Well put but Lucas is not an average player!

No, but those mentioned are, they just put in a lot of effort, I mean how often in his career has P.Neville hit the ball with his instep? Seriously he has more touches of the oppositions ankles, but we are lead to believe he is a top player. Horses for courses. Kenny wouldn't offer him a new contract for nothing.

by **Zidane** » Wed Aug 24, 2011 2:36 am

Penguins wrote:
jimmy brighton wrote:I wouldn't bother rising to the bait Mr. B. If someone put in a cross and Lucas managed to do a triple somersault before hammering the ball into the top corner of the goal with his left ear, then Penguins would still say he should have done a double somersault and used his right ear
To people like Penguins, Lucas aint ever gonna be any good. (Even if he has just collected his 1,000th cap for Brazil)

If Lucas would

1) be a starting player in a title winning side
or
2) be a starting player in a world cup winning side
or
3) score 5 goals in a season

I'll eat humble pie.

Until then Lucas is a overhyped decent player who doesn't bring anything extra to the table.
Clearly better now than his first few pisspoor seasons though.
Why we endured with his dross then I'll never know...

Something that in my book is never good enough for LFC and never will be good enough:

1)Work hard. Not much more just that.
2)Keeping it simple, tidy etc. In other words achieve nothing
3)Great attitude. i don't care if the player is St MAry or Dracula. If Dracula does the business and is a quality fotballer, Dracula all the way.

Quality, pace, skill and creativity>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
attitude, hard work, sideway passes until tomorrow and stone feet.

The amount of stick our players get is unreal, they get absolutely no credit because people think everyone should play like Barcelona and have superstars all over the pitch. Mascherano hasn't done any of those things you listed and Lucas played the most important part in Suarez's goal against Arsenal, did you miss that or something?

by **Thommo's perm** » Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:35 am

jimmy brighton wrote:
redtrader74 wrote:He's not great, but he has become very good at what he does, and at the end of last season, when we played the most expansive football we have for years, his attacking skills also came to the fore. The guy is disciplined and does what he is asked to.

As for being a member of a title winning side, ther are plenty of examples of average players that have managed it, Fletcher, Butt and P. Neville spring to mind. You don't necessarily need a team of superstars, you need a cohesive unit, and Lucas is playing his part.

Well put but Lucas is not an average player.

You think he is below average?

by **jacdaniel** » Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:40 am

Lucas evidently aint a fantastic player but he is a player that does his job to the best of his ability. His job as a DM is to sit in front of the defense and break up play etc. Thats what he does and does it well.

Remember them 15 goals conceded in pre season??? Were was Lucas... oh yeah.. not in the team

by **Thommo's perm** » Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:42 am

jacdaniel wrote:Lucas evidently aint a fantastic player but he is a player that does his job to the best of his ability. His job as a DM is to sit in front of the defense and break up play etc. Thats what he does and does it well.

Remember them 15 goals conceded in pre season??? Were was Lucas... oh yeah.. not in the team

Neither was Reina
:eyebrow

by **peterc1992** » Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:34 pm

bunglemark2 wrote:
peterc1992 wrote:Before he came back in pre season we conceded 15 goals in 5 games.

That could be just coincidence but i think we can draw a conclusion from that.

Clutching at straws, that....

These are facts no?

Truth is he does a great job in front of the back four and without him we dont look at safe

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