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by **alwayslfc** » Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:53 am

All the prolific strikers we've had from Dalglish, Rush, Aldridge, Fowler, Owen, Torres, they all started scoring almost right from day 1 of their debut season and scored consistently thereafter. I'm not going to count his Mar to May performance because he was lacking match fitness. Now in his first full season, let's see whether he can be a consistent scorer or not like the ones we've had in the past or is he the Steve Archibald type who only became prolific after a few seasons at Spurs in the 80s or (hopefully not) he was our biggest blunder signing.

by **ethanr** » Thu Aug 18, 2011 6:15 am

woof woof ! wrote:
mistyred wrote:I would just stick up top and tell him run riot lad and give em hell

I'd do the same , if he could actually run.

Seriously, he's gotta lot of things going for him but pace isn't one of them. Also if we're gonna feed high balls to him outside of the six yard box, we've got to get players in and around him otherwise his best attributes will be wasted as he nods down the ball for the oppo to sweep up.

This exactly.

For Newcastle he caused hell in the box because of his ability to knock the ball down. It's how Nolan scored a lot of goals (including 1 against us). He would play as a lone striker and as long as people could get into the box for him, he caused a lot of problems. With Suarez or even Kuyt in there ready to poach on anything, he will continue to cause a lot of problems.

I can't wait for our manure game, especially if De Gea continues to play as timid as he has.

by **Zidane** » Fri Aug 19, 2011 12:51 am

Still don't think he's fit, no one really is and I don't believe we have seen the real Andy Carroll since he signed. Think he'll have a big season in the end.

by **GRAHAM01** » Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:29 am

watching back some of the later pre season matches and i have to say he was showing some pace and was making long runs at full tilt and when he does he isn't that slow ( unless all the players i saw him doing it to were very very slow ) i don't think we have to worry to much about him and his pace imo

i think if we can get people in and about him to collect some of his knock downs he will be a big big bonus for us, but we shouldn't just think of him as that type of player as he is very good with the ball at his feet as well

for me i'm not worried about him, i think he will fit in just fine

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:54 am

alwayslfc wrote:All the prolific strikers we've had from Dalglish, Rush, Aldridge, Fowler, Owen, Torres, they all started scoring almost right from day 1 of their debut season and scored consistently thereafter. I'm not going to count his Mar to May performance because he was lacking match fitness. Now in his first full season, let's see whether he can be a consistent scorer or not like the ones we've had in the past or is he the Steve Archibald type who only became prolific after a few seasons at Spurs in the 80s or (hopefully not) he was our biggest blunder signing.

Peter Crouch was an effective striker of a similar ilk to Carroll (I actually think Carroll has more to offer) yet it took him ages to open his account for Liverpool.

Carroll was extremely unlucky to have his goal ruled out, no way a foul. Wes Brown lost balance.

If I were you I would get used to seeing Carroll starting. Kenny will persevere all season if he has to.

by **RedAnt** » Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:59 am

Carroll is pretty quick. He's tall though so slow acceleration and there's an optical illusion of looking slow...much like a rhino and once those things get in full pelt there's no stopping 'em! Shearer never looked all that quick either. I hope Andy will be lik e many strikers...a couple of goals and his confidence will be up and sorted!

by **stmichael** » Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:04 am

To be honest there couldn't be a better time for him to be playing against Arsenal, especially if we get some set pieces in and around the penalty area. When Newcastle won at the Emirates last season he was unplayable.

by **RedAnt** » Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:08 am

stmichael wrote:To be honest there couldn't be a better time for him to be playing against Arsenal, especially if we get some set pieces in and around the penalty area. When Newcastle won at the Emirates last season he was unplayable.

Yeah, and so far he's getting up and winning the ariel battles nicely. His targetting systems a little off yet but he'll come good. The trouble comes with other optical illusions, like his perfectly legit goal against Sunderland I suppose refs tend to think his arms are up when they're not and sh1t like that. Sadly I can see that happening a lot more times yet.

by **maguskwt** » Fri Aug 19, 2011 4:36 pm

The lad needs more development... He's no young shearer that's for sure...

by **parchpea** » Fri Aug 19, 2011 4:42 pm

Clubs play down the fees but there can be no doubt that the price sets the bar for your expectation of a player. If we had paid £10m for Carroll then I wouldnt be worried and he would have plenty of time to develop but at £35m, well then I reckon he should be doing a bit more. I am fully aware the cost is almost irrelevant in terms of how he trains and plays but without question the extrodnary price changes the picture completely.

by **RedAnt** » Fri Aug 19, 2011 5:09 pm

parchpea wrote:Clubs play down the fees but there can be no doubt that the price sets the bar for your expectation of a player. If we had paid £10m for Carroll then I wouldnt be worried and he would have plenty of time to develop but at £35m, well then I reckon he should be doing a bit more. I am fully aware the cost is almost irrelevant in terms of how he trains and plays but without question the extrodnary price changes the picture completely.

This is very true. I feel a little sorry for Carroll is all. He never paid £35m. He was offered to play for the Awsome Liverpool! And he took the chance. Everyone on these forums would do the same! I'd bet the fee bewilders him as much as it bewilders anyone and puts massive pressure on him. In footballing terms, he's very much a kid still, and footballing kids are very susceptible to critism.

I have a wierd, mystical belief that the energy and belief and confidence flows through the world (Almost like the Force!) and that the likes of Carroll need positive thinking and positive energy. Andy Carroll surely aint the finished article...far, far, far from it. But he has great potential and i'm glad that at even £35m that potential is ours to reap the rewards of!

Transfer fees are crazy now. Look at the fee of Henderson, Torres, even Rooney when Manure first signed him. For a 21 year old England international, £35m may seem high, but when I think of it in perspective of the amount of money flowing through football and with the likes of Man City and Chelsea tossing millions at anyone who can kick a ball, £35m for a young England forward suddenly dosen't seem that much to me.

by **ethanr** » Fri Aug 19, 2011 5:55 pm

First game of the season against a very physical Sunderland side. That's how they play, and Carroll still tore them apart in every single ariel battle. Arsenal are not a very physical club, quite opposite in fact. They spend more time throwing themselves on the ground trying to con the ref than actually going for the ball. Carroll is a good player. he's really young and has a lot of time to improve as well, and I'm positive within the next couple years, if not even by the end of this season, we will all be looking back thinking what a steal £35 million was.

by **Greavesie** » Fri Aug 19, 2011 6:15 pm

I'm confident he'll rip their defence apart tomorrow

by **aCe'** » Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:32 pm

Only 6 players in world football were more expensive than Andy Carroll in terms of transfer fees:

Cristiano Ronaldo £80m
Kaka £56m
Fernando Torres £50m
Zinedine Zidane £45.62m
Zlatan Ibrahimovic £39.76m
Luis Figo £37m

To suggest we didnt overpay for him ir that his wages compensate for his transfer fee.. etc is nonsense imo
He's young and has great potential and all that, but given the fee he needs to vastly improve the side and he needs to do it soon.. If he doesnt, it wont be his fault, it will be the management's fault. His signing could go one of two ways, it could transform us into a much better side or it could go down as one of the worst deals in the history of the club...

A little too early to decide on that but my main concern is that his fee might dictate the way the management decides on formations and styles of play..etc Effectively, that would mean the likes of Aquilani, Suarez, Meireles..etc are not needed or not fully utilized given the fact that their style of play isnt very compatible with Carroll's...

Atm, the best case scenario would be us playing our normal style of play and focusing on our best players and seeing where/if he fits in the side.. Dont see it happening though, and I expect it to use him as the focal point of most of our attacks with long balls played to his head more often than not.. I also expect our main players including Suarez and Meireles to find it harder to get into the side or into games given their modified roles in the side to accommodate Carroll and his style of football

by **Benny The Noon** » Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:38 pm

aCe' wrote:Only 6 players in world football were more expensive than Andy Carroll in terms of transfer fees:

Cristiano Ronaldo £80m
Kaka £56m
Fernando Torres £50m
Zinedine Zidane £45.62m
Zlatan Ibrahimovic £39.76m
Luis Figo £37m

To suggest we didnt overpay for him ir that his wages compensate for his transfer fee.. etc is nonsense imo
He's young and has great potential and all that, but given the fee he needs to vastly improve the side and he needs to do it soon.. If he doesnt, it wont be his fault, it will be the management's fault. His signing could go one of two ways, it could transform us into a much better side or it could go down as one of the worst deals in the history of the club...

A little too early to decide on that but my main concern is that his fee might dictate the way the management decides on formations and styles of play..etc Effectively, that would mean the likes of Aquilani, Suarez, Meireles..etc are not needed or not fully utilized given the fact that their style of play isnt very compatible with Carroll's...

Atm, the best case scenario would be us playing our normal style of play and focusing on our best players and seeing where/if he fits in the side.. Dont see it happening though, and I expect it to use him as the focal point of most of our attacks with long balls played to his head more often than not.. I also expect our main players including Suarez and Meireles to find it harder to get into the side or into games given their modified roles in the side to accommodate Carroll and his style of football

Are you sure ?

Wiki report both Crespo and Buffon at £38 mil
Robinho at 35.5 mil
Augero at 38 mil
Pastore at 36.5 mil
And Tevez was supposed to be over 35 mil

The prob Carroll has is - the fee

Too many people are focused on the fee

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