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by **Greavesie** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:44 pm

definitely a she, whinges like a woman

by **ethanr** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:48 pm

Greavesie wrote:definitely a she, whinges like a woman

Ya at first I put he and then I realized that this is probably more of a she thing to do.

by **dundreamin** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 10:53 pm

Absolute s.*i*e a panic buy when torres went, been mugged, I thought he was good. I was wrong,HANDS UP I was wrong

by **The Good Yank** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 11:00 pm

dundreamin wrote:Absolute s.*i*e a panic buy when torres went, been mugged, I thought he was good. I was wrong,HANDS UP I was wrong

Would your tune be different if his goal would have rightfully stood?

by **Octsky** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 3:41 am

when Suarez was taken off, Carroll is our only threat left. he was a real disappointment.
his headers are either off pace or misplaced, dribbling sucks.

by **RedAnt** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:30 am

Carroll is a fantastic player! All you folks who call him s.*i*e, what's the matter with you?! He's young, powerful, has great anticipation, a great left foot, natural positioning and is superb in the air. He wins just about every challenge. So what if he's not fully settled for us yet? He will just keep getting better and better. In 5 years time he will have paid his £35m fee and waaaay more.

Sorry, but players who play for Liverpool AND England at such a young age can't be classed as s.*i*e.

Sheeeeesh.

by **alwayslfc** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 10:43 am

ethanr wrote:
Greavesie wrote:
jacdaniel wrote:
alwayslfc wrote:If Liverpool continues to play this way, this could prove to be their downslide to bottom half of the table avoiding relegation by a whisker. I'd prefer a Kuyt Suarez attack up front than Suarez and Carroll.

Many fans sweep his weaknesses under the carpet and deceive themselves that he is the next Rush just because he cost that much, he's more like the next Crouchie. He doesn't have the pace and the dribbling skills and so in my opinion, he is Liverpool's worst dud signing of all time.

Why are you so obsessed with us getting relegated? Im starting to suspect that you may well be a Manc.

'starting to suspect...'

Mate I was suspecting aaaaages ago

I'm pretty sure half of us were suspecting aaaaaages ago... That's why most of us just ignore those posts

Every times it's pointed out, s/he denies it and writes one positive post about Liverpool, then back to the negative and how we suck and how the players we signed are bad and how Kenny is a horrible manager who isn't the right one to lead us to glory. And apparently how we will get relegated as well.

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I'd say I'm a bit negative about Liverpool at the moment after being so used to the glory years of the 70s and 80s.

I still believe Kenny D is the best man to manage Liverpool at the moment but due to his past record of never staying more than 6 yrs as a manager, I think most likely he'll only be here to finish his 3 year contract so he is not a long term solution to Liverpool's managerial position.

Relegation? Unlikely but because I find that though we've signed some good players this summer based on yesterday's 2nd half performance, I'd prefer to look whose below us rather than whose above because for the past 20 years, I'd been so optimistic at the start and been utterly disappointed every season in terms of winning the league. So this year, I'll try something different and look at the other end and if we finish 6th again, I won't be too disappointed though Kenny's job may be in jeopardy.

Signing lousy players, don't you think Rafa had signed so many duds during his tenure? The exceptions being Torres, Alonso and L.Garcia, Reina OK.

What worries me now is that we seems to be banking on Carroll to grab the goals this is fine if he's a prolific scorer like during the Houllier years when we we very dependent on one Owen to get the goals. But from what I've seen so far, Carroll is only an average striker and centering all your plans on him to score (just because he cost so much) will lead us to trouble. He doesn't look like the prolific type like Rushie and Fowler. I'm no Carroll hater, nothing personal against the lad but somehow he doesn't look he'll fit in to Lvp's play.

by **RedAnt** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 11:21 am

alwayslfc wrote:
ethanr wrote:
Greavesie wrote:
jacdaniel wrote:
alwayslfc wrote:If Liverpool continues to play this way, this could prove to be their downslide to bottom half of the table avoiding relegation by a whisker. I'd prefer a Kuyt Suarez attack up front than Suarez and Carroll.

Many fans sweep his weaknesses under the carpet and deceive themselves that he is the next Rush just because he cost that much, he's more like the next Crouchie. He doesn't have the pace and the dribbling skills and so in my opinion, he is Liverpool's worst dud signing of all time.

Why are you so obsessed with us getting relegated? Im starting to suspect that you may well be a Manc.

'starting to suspect...'

Mate I was suspecting aaaaages ago

I'm pretty sure half of us were suspecting aaaaaages ago... That's why most of us just ignore those posts

Every times it's pointed out, s/he denies it and writes one positive post about Liverpool, then back to the negative and how we suck and how the players we signed are bad and how Kenny is a horrible manager who isn't the right one to lead us to glory. And apparently how we will get relegated as well.

I'd say I'm a bit negative about Liverpool at the moment after being so used to the glory years of the 70s and 80s.

I still believe Kenny D is the best man to manage Liverpool at the moment but due to his past record of never staying more than 6 yrs as a manager, I think most likely he'll only be here to finish his 3 year contract so he is not a long term solution to Liverpool's managerial position.

Relegation? Unlikely but because I find that though we've signed some good players this summer based on yesterday's 2nd half performance, I'd prefer to look whose below us rather than whose above because for the past 20 years, I'd been so optimistic at the start and been utterly disappointed every season in terms of winning the league. So this year, I'll try something different and look at the other end and if we finish 6th again, I won't be too disappointed though Kenny's job may be in jeopardy.

Signing lousy players, don't you think Rafa had signed so many duds during his tenure? The exceptions being Torres, Alonso and L.Garcia, Reina OK.

What worries me now is that we seems to be banking on Carroll to grab the goals this is fine if he's a prolific scorer like during the Houllier years when we we very dependent on one Owen to get the goals. But from what I've seen so far, Carroll is only an average striker and centering all your plans on him to score (just because he cost so much) will lead us to trouble. He doesn't look like the prolific type like Rushie and Fowler. I'm no Carroll hater, nothing personal against the lad but somehow he doesn't look he'll fit in to Lvp's play.

The thing to remember here is that football has changed massively since the 80's, and more importantly..so have LFC. Prolific goalscorers are much rarer now, and even rarer is th complete forwards, the guy who has it all, on the ground, in the air, in the brain and physically. These days I guess we're lucky to have one prolific striker. We have that (I hope) in Suarez. I mean..that guy can play eh? Keep him fit and motivated and we may just have one of the best players of modern times.

Carroll is different. We didn't pay £35m for prolific, or a complete striker...we paid it for potential and Carroll has that in bucketloads. He WILL only get better. I've seen him play several times at St James and seeing him in the flesh you begin to see what he's all about and how worried the opposition is against him. LFC is a big step up from Newcastle and it's now about growing into his new role with hard work..not just from him but from the coaching staff too. Is he 22 yet? The lads a geordie, Newcastle born and bred. LFC is a new life for the YOUNG lad. I just hope he dosen't read what some people on these forums put because a lad his age should be getting the support of his new fans, not ripped apart. Even Gazza needed time.

Shearer loves Carroll. Good enough for Shearer and Kenny Dalglish, good enough for me!

by **Kenny Kan** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 11:50 am

Personally I am not a fan of the target man, although I didn't mind Heskey for some strange reason, even though he carried the threat of firing blanks.
I suppose with Owen and Fowler being around Heskey was a good foil.

So when we signed Carroll I wasn't overly impressed nothing against him more so his style as it does advocate the long ball. However, during the first half against Sunderland I was really impressed with him. His work rate, the tracking back and the attitude he showed was really good. In the past I've seen him look laboured and rusty and not as quick and as hasty as he was yesterday, so this was a big improvement. Again during his rusty period he looked as though he had the touch of a rapist or more aptly put the touch of Derek Kuyt. Yesterday I thought his touch was very good, his passing wasn't bad and he actually looked an intelligent player with the ball at his feet. I think there is the potential to get more out of him than just the 'target man'.

Second half came and we looked absolutely disjointed in our play with all the fluidity vanished. With Suarez off, we reverted to the inevitable of the long ball. I don't think it is Carroll's fault his team-mates opt to do this. It wasn't overly used but towards the end of the game it became a one dimensional train of thought, pumping long balls through the middle. pffft.

As I forward (and only the people who are inside the ground can confirm this) you always make yourself available for your keeper or defender when the ball is 60 yards away from you. Strikers raise their hands to their keeper or defender and say 'pick me out with a long pass', it's quite natural for strikers to do this. And when Mr Hoofer (aka Carra) sees a fella like Carroll asking for the ball, it may become habitual to cut your midfield out and play the pump forward. Yet defenders should KNOW that they should and can ignore their center forward and look to move the ball out from the back in other passages of play.

The thing that gets me is that; I've heard people speak very highly of Carra's tactical knowledge of the game (Rafa) I think it was who said that Carra really understands strategies and tactics and will one day make a great coach if not manager. Well, if this is true then why the kin'el doesn't Carra play with this excellent knowledge that he supposedly has of the game. He is our worst culprit for this.

Though's long balls to Carroll from Adam too, became absolutely kin pointless and we were losing possession through most of them. It's a kin shi.te way to play football, it's the old crazy gang style of football and is probably the lowest strategical form of football to play, hell Sunday pub teams employ this strategy.

Our lads are getting caught in the trap that because Carroll's 10ft tall, we can knock it long to him - especially when we getting desperate. Kenny and Steve need to stamp this out, and evolve that passing game we saw in the first half, hell even at one point in the first half I thought Carra was implementing the patient build up of Liverpool football when him and Agger stroked the ball between them and their fullbacks, patiently dictating the tempo of the game - I honestly reminisced of Hansen and Lawro knocking the ball about so patiently like they did when I saw Agger and Carra doing the same thing.

It must therefore be a panic thing that kicks in on Carra's brain processing, where by we're drawing 1-1 with Sunderland with 20mins to go, rationale goes out the window and in comes the crazy gang football.

by **Thommo's perm** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 12:51 pm

I think our (including me) expectations are too high for Carroll. I was disappointed and frustrated that we didnt tw@t them yesterday because we had the chances. Their goal was a classic ball watching schoolboy error, well taken but avoidable.
What I suggest is that people try to put aside how much Carroll cost and focus on the positives of his performance yeasterday and his potential for the future.
I believe he will come good given time, patience and support.
Crouch was Fu*king awful when he first came and couldnt hit a barn door with a banjo for months. Then he clicked and the goals were flying in.
Im as annoyed as anyone but I think we should hold back on the criticism and get behind him and the team.
Lets not expect too much too soon

by **tubby** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 12:55 pm

dundreamin wrote:Absolute s.*i*e a panic buy when torres went, been mugged, I thought he was good. I was wrong,HANDS UP I was wrong

Quite funny on one hand you have a go at others for speaking too soon at 'only the first game of the season' yet when it comes to making conclusions on individuals you seem to have it all worked out?

Get a fkn grip the lot of you. If you want to be worried about anything, worry about our defence.

by **Johnny Boy** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:11 pm

tubby wrote:
dundreamin wrote:Absolute s.*i*e a panic buy when torres went, been mugged, I thought he was good. I was wrong,HANDS UP I was wrong

Quite funny on one hand you have a go at others for speaking too soon at 'only the first game of the season' yet when it comes to making conclusions on individuals you seem to have it all worked out?

Get a fkn grip the lot of you. If you want to be worried about anything, worry about our defence.

Well said, I thought Carroll did well first half, suffered like everyone else second but they just kept lumping balls up to him.
Kenny moving Downing inside didn't help and playing Meireles on the left!

by **mistyred** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:32 pm

I think Carroll will be a monster of a player don't give a toss i like him, great in the air no slouch, good on the ground great finisher you
watch you lot you will eat your words when Madrid come calling for him :nod

by **Dundalk** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:33 pm

Do worry about Andy, he is a very good player

We just have to figure out how to use him, that will be the bigger problem.

by **only me** » Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:52 pm

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