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by **Thommo's perm** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:25 pm

red till i die!! wrote:the results arent important but beating teams is.it instills confidence in the lads and has them in the right mentality for when the season starts.
we have been pretty poor so far but with the players at his disposal its to be expected and if anything,proves that we are still a weak squad.
a couple of games to go so hopefully we can see more of a regular line up and get a few wins under our belts before the sunderland game.

So, results are important?
:eyebrow

by **red till i die!!** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:18 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:
red till i die!! wrote:the results arent important but beating teams is.it instills confidence in the lads and has them in the right mentality for when the season starts.
we have been pretty poor so far but with the players at his disposal its to be expected and if anything,proves that we are still a weak squad.
a couple of games to go so hopefully we can see more of a regular line up and get a few wins under our belts before the sunderland game.

So, results are important?

lol.i do see the irony in that post but you get the drift.
the results wont matter an iota in terms of our season and yeah it would be nice to see us flying high and thumping teams off the park purely for the lift and confidence it would give the lads.

the results arent important untill the league starts.

by **metalhead** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:23 am

Good post Scott, I do agree to an extent that a good pre-season could be a good indicator on how well you do in the season. However, in the end what matters is down to quality you have in your team, for example, if you have the strongest XI in the league then your bound to win it!

The Mancs always had a good pre-season and won the league, but they always had a poor start for the season, lets look at their first 5 games in the seasons they won the league

2007/2008

Manchester United 0-0 Reading

Portsmouth 1-1 Manchester United

Manchester City 1-0 Manchester United

Manchester United 1-0 Tottenham Hotspur

Manchester United 1-0 Sunderland

8 points out of 15

2008/2009

Manchester United 1-1 Newcastle United

Portsmouth 0-1 Manchester United

Liverpool 2-1 Manchester United

Chelsea 1-1 Manchester United

Manchester United 2-0 Bolton Wanderers

8 points out of 15

2010/2011

Manchester United 3-0 Newcastle United

Fulham 2-2 Manchester United

Manchester United 3-0 West Ham United

Everton 3-3 Manchester United

Manchester United 3-2 Liverpool

11 points out of 15

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Bar last season, the Mancs had a sluggish start to their season and pre-season usually helps in getting a good head start when the season begins. However, in the end quality wins

by **stmichael** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:17 am

metalhead wrote:Good post Scott, I do agree to an extent that a good pre-season could be a good indicator on how well you do in the season. However, in the end what matters is down to quality you have in your team, for example, if you have the strongest XI in the league then your bound to win it!

I agree with this. That's why in 08/9 we should have won it. We had easily the best side that season and probably the best starting eleven we've had in nearly twenty years. There wasn't a weak link and we hardly suffered any injuries at all which allowed us to form formidabble partnerships all over the park. Alonso/Mascherano dominated games. Torres/Gerrard was easily the best attacking duo in Europe that season. Benayoun/Kuyt scored 20 goals between them from wide areas. Riera gave us great balance which we had lacked before. Our back four was very steady all season. All this contributed to what should have been our first league title since 1990.

Pre-season is primarily about fitness and getting used to your new teammates. I don't read too much into the Hull result even though it sounded disappointing. I'd read more into the Valencia game next week when we have something nearing our best eleven on the pitch in preparation for the Sunderland game for example. The lack of European games early on in the season in some Eastern European countries will serve us well imo. I fully expect us to hit the ground running come the Sunderland game.

by **dawson99** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:27 am

Pre season means f*ck all. Its the time when tackles are weak and players are learning to gel. No one is gonna go in for a sliding 50/50 pre season risking major injury, and there is no real need to win like in the league. I don't even watch friendlies anymore, no point, means nothing.

As St Mike of spongebob says, just get the fitness back and learn each others names

by **Ben Patrick** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:34 am

dawson99 wrote:Pre season means f*ck all. Its the time when tackles are weak and players are learning to gel. No one is gonna go in for a sliding 50/50 pre season risking major injury, and there is no real need to win like in the league. I don't even watch friendlies anymore, no point, means nothing.

As St Mike of spongebob says, just get the fitness back and learn each others names

There's a bit more in it to me to be honest.
I know it doesnt mean a great deal but i think its still good to win games and pick up form.
I remember having murder with people on here the other year when we got battered by mainz and was told its only a friendly it doesnt matter etc.
I disagree, winning is a good habit to get into.
I want to be seeing in the last 3 friendlies a more settled side and one that leans towards what we will be seing in the Sunderland match.
Fitness is the most important thing but it is also important to get the team gelling and to instill a winning mentality.

by **dawson99** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:39 am

Ben Patrick wrote:
dawson99 wrote:Pre season means f*ck all. Its the time when tackles are weak and players are learning to gel. No one is gonna go in for a sliding 50/50 pre season risking major injury, and there is no real need to win like in the league. I don't even watch friendlies anymore, no point, means nothing.

As St Mike of spongebob says, just get the fitness back and learn each others names

There's a bit more in it to me to be honest.
I know it doesnt mean a great deal but i think its still good to win games and pick up form.
I remember having murder with people on here the other year when we got battered by mainz and was told its only a friendly it doesnt matter etc.
I disagree, winning is a good habit to get into.
I want to be seeing in the last 3 friendlies a more settled side and one that leans towards what we will be seing in the Sunderland match.
Fitness is the most important thing but it is also important to get the team gelling and to instill a winning mentality.

So you'd like to see Carroll going steaming into a 50/50 tackle, getting injured for 3 months, but its all for a friendly win against Hull?

Of course winning is a plus, but it has no relevance that I can see on the league

by **Ben Patrick** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:50 am

dawson99 wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:
dawson99 wrote:Pre season means f*ck all. Its the time when tackles are weak and players are learning to gel. No one is gonna go in for a sliding 50/50 pre season risking major injury, and there is no real need to win like in the league. I don't even watch friendlies anymore, no point, means nothing.

As St Mike of spongebob says, just get the fitness back and learn each others names

There's a bit more in it to me to be honest.
I know it doesnt mean a great deal but i think its still good to win games and pick up form.
I remember having murder with people on here the other year when we got battered by mainz and was told its only a friendly it doesnt matter etc.
I disagree, winning is a good habit to get into.
I want to be seeing in the last 3 friendlies a more settled side and one that leans towards what we will be seing in the Sunderland match.
Fitness is the most important thing but it is also important to get the team gelling and to instill a winning mentality.

So you'd like to see Carroll going steaming into a 50/50 tackle, getting injured for 3 months, but its all for a friendly win against Hull?

Of course winning is a plus, but it has no relevance that I can see on the league

Thats not what i mean mate, i dont mean players should be reckless but a good preseason for me is vital to a good start to the season.
These next 3 games, particulaly the Valencia one i want to see as close to the first team as possible for a good 70 minutes.

by **tubby** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:52 pm

Relax everyone. This is all part of Kenny's plan to lure everyone else into a false sense of security. :cool:

by **Penguins** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:03 pm

Well, our defense is midtable quality, nothing new there.
Hopefully we won't start the season with what we got otherwise we are *****.

by **bunglemark2** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:12 pm

I got the same bad feeling in the not too distant past when we had some absolutely CACK pre-season results....and it didn't get a whole lot better. What we have as squad players is nowhere near good enough, not when the likes of Citeh are signing Aguero, Mata poss. going to Arsenal, Sneijder going to the filth....and we have....wait for it...."Poulsen" !
Oh dear....

by **only me** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:19 pm

bunglemark2 wrote:I got the same bad feeling in the not too distant past when we had some absolutely CACK pre-season results....and it didn't get a whole lot better. What we have as squad players is nowhere near good enough, not when the likes of Citeh are signing Aguero, Mata poss. going to Arsenal, Sneijder going to the filth....and we have....wait for it...."Poulsen" !
Oh dear....

Poor Pre-Season usually means Poor start to the season their is no way around it. It's not like our players would hit the floor running and blazing when first game starts...

What Kenny should focus on ,and unfortuntly he didn't thus far is strenghtning the Defence ,a solid defence would keep us alive in every game even if our sync is yet to be found ,will allow Suarez to do his magic till we all rise to the challange as a team. Currently it's looking real bad.

by **Penguins** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:19 pm

Well, City won't get their ship in full order this season to really win as there is always discontent in that squad and it will never be finished. Manure have done well unfortunately and Chelski will be tough.

We have a good squad except for defense, which gives us more holes than a swiss cheese...

by **Bad Bob** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:34 pm

I'm not usually one to worry too much about pre-season results but the amount of goals we're shipping and our apparent toothlessness in attack are troubling. I know the marketing side of things is king these days but the jetting all over the map for friendlies hurts our preparation, IMO. Certainly, if we must fly off to East Asia to promote the 'brand' out there, let's make sure we're not flying off to Turkey and Norway in the same preseason. A long haul promotional trip should be followed by much more focused work at Melwood with all further friendlies arranged close to home.

by **Thommo's perm** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:40 pm

Bad Bob wrote:I'm not usually one to worry too much about pre-season results but the amount of goals we're shipping and our apparent toothlessness in attack are troubling. I know the marketing side of things is king these days but the jetting all over the map for friendlies hurts our preparation, IMO. Certainly, if we must fly off to East Asia to promote the 'brand' out there, let's make sure we're not flying off to Turkey and Norway in the same preseason. A long haul promotional trip should be followed by much more focused work at Melwood with all further friendlies arranged close to home.

Thats the downside of being in demand and spreading the gospel
Modern football eh? Bloody hell...

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