Liverpool FC Forum

by **Reg** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 12:28 am

Greavesie wrote:To an extent I have to agree with Reg. What does it say about the state of the club post twit and tw@t when we had two kids at full back? Imagine they got slaughtered, we'd be staring at the realisation of the club's situation, accepting that the task at hand is a mammoth one that would take years to remedy - IMO it still is, regardless of the performances of the young guns.

Exactly - imagine we had lost 4-0 or something.

However I´m not being overly negative, just realistic. Folks want to say its not true which I understand so go ahead, but of course its fantastic to have their youth players already at this level but next seasons successful or failure will be and should, down to a different set of players.

Good to see you´re all talking again anyway.

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 1:15 am

greenred wrote:I disagree with you Reg.Jut because there young doesn't mean there not good enough.Sure you can say that there not experienced enough and that we were playing an important game against Arsenal but they have to start off somewhere.In some way's I know where your coming from ut in other way's your wrong.The point is we haven't had many young players coming through since Carra and Stevie G and we need some fresh young blood.That was one of Rafael Benitez's faults.He didn't use the academy.

Now theres a name from the Newkit archives ...Welcome back Lad

by **Octsky** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 7:17 am

PabloMedina28 wrote:
greenred wrote:I disagree with you Reg.Jut because there young doesn't mean there not good enough.Sure you can say that there not experienced enough and that we were playing an important game against Arsenal but they have to start off somewhere.In some way's I know where your coming from ut in other way's your wrong.The point is we haven't had many young players coming through since Carra and Stevie G and we need some fresh young blood.That was one of Rafael Benitez's faults.He didn't use the academy.

To be fair hes the one who gave it a reboot. Ask Kenny

pls...Kenny is just being polite, its like saying Roy was a great manager for LFC.

no youth players have ever emerged from Rafa's 6 seasons here.
why?
if i am not wrong Everton has quite a few good youngsters since rodney.
so it has nothing to do with the geographical location or facilities (as we have a better one) .

by **ethanr** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 7:48 am

Ya Reg I get what your saying, but I don't think you get what everybody else is saying. We aren't saying that because Flanno and Robinson have had a couple good games, we no longer need to buy any full backs. I think when Johnson is fit against and Kelly as well, we either have a really good RB and Johnson and a talented but getting better RB in Kelly, or use Kelly as a CB where he started. We still need a left back. It's fantastic that we had 3 injured full backs and had to turn to a 17 and 18 year old to hold down the fort, and they were able to do so against 2 of the top four clubs. The fact that we have youngsters with the ability and confidence to step up and fill the void means that when we do buy better players for those positions, we will be ok if one of them gets injured because we have those talented young players still developing into even more talented players. And when the players we have bought to fill these positions start to get too old our lose the pace and talent they had, we are ready with new players to fill the new void created by their lack of ability.

If they end up switching clubs because they can no longer progress under our academy and feel they won't start over those we buy, then so be it, we make more money on their transfers.

I'm thrilled Flanno and Robinson have played so well, but in no way do I believe they are the answer to our defensive problem. I fully expect to see Johnson or Kelly at RB next season and a new more experienced LB next season.

by **Thommo's perm** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:34 am

Reg wrote:
Greavesie wrote:To an extent I have to agree with Reg. What does it say about the state of the club post twit and tw@t when we had two kids at full back? Imagine they got slaughtered, we'd be staring at the realisation of the club's situation, accepting that the task at hand is a mammoth one that would take years to remedy - IMO it still is, regardless of the performances of the young guns.

Exactly - imagine we had lost 4-0 or something.

However I´m not being overly negative, just realistic. Folks want to say its not true which I understand so go ahead, but of course its fantastic to have their youth players already at this level but next seasons successful or failure will be and should, down to a different set of players.

Good to see you´re all talking again anyway.

Imagine if we'd won 4-0!
Your theory is flawed. There are experienced and seasoned professionals who are on six figure salaries who couldnt have done a better job than them two kids
It is an absolute myth to think that overpriced, over-rated "superstars" can always do a better job than young, up and coming, passionate, committed players. "Fu'ck them" I say. And good on KK for giving them the chance
Who can prove than Johnson and Aurelio would have done better on Monday or Sunday? Not from previous performances you couldnt.
Lighten up Reginald
The future's bright: The future's Red
:;):

by **Igor Zidane** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:17 am

Think reg has gone abit ott here but i think i get the gist of what he is saying .

I don't think anyone is suggesting that we have title winning reserve team ,just throw them into the first team and watch them go type of thing . What i think is that next season we will have a stronger squad because of our youngsters. We still need to buy a world class left back and another centre half and an attacking midfielder and winger in my opinion . What we do have is very good and very young understudies who when picked will not give us the the collywobbles thinking there gonna feck up .

In Flanno , Robbo , spearing , kelly and a few others we have a basis for a very good team a few years down the line but what we also have are lads who can stand there ground in the prem when picked due to injuries and what not . Very very encouraging as far as i'm concerned ,they should be there as back up for now and to be pushing the regular starters in front of them . One interesting thing that commoli said the other day was that we will not be buying players when we have young lads good enough to play in certain positions , we will not be buying two world class left back and another world class right back for instance and throwing the youngsters down the pecking order ,that's not going to happen .

by **Ben Patrick** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:02 am

Igor Zidane wrote:Think reg has gone abit ott here but i think i get the gist of what he is saying .

I don't think anyone is suggesting that we have title winning reserve team ,just throw them into the first team and watch them go type of thing . What i think is that next season we will have a stronger squad because of our youngsters. We still need to buy a world class left back and another centre half and an attacking midfielder and winger in my opinion . What we do have is very good and very young understudies who when picked will not give us the the collywobbles thinking there gonna feck up .

In Flanno , Robbo , spearing , kelly and a few others we have a basis for a very good team a few years down the line but what we also have are lads who can stand there ground in the prem when picked due to injuries and what not . Very very encouraging as far as i'm concerned ,they should be there as back up for now and to be pushing the regular starters in front of them . One interesting thing that commoli said the other day was that we will not be buying players when we have young lads good enough to play in certain positions , we will not be buying two world class left back and another world class right back for instance and throwing the youngsters down the pecking order ,that's not going to happen .

Its a good point mate, Rafa deserves credit for what he done in changing the acadamy structure and coaching stafd etc.
What was a problem though is the fact that we over the last 10 years have bought average squad players that have littered our bench and these players have stopped the progress of young players.
The players might not have been good enough to be fair, but still i would rather have a Spearing than a Poulsen all day.
You will get more out of him.
United have loads of players that arent great but do a job as and when, the O'Shea's and Browns etc.
Every squad needs balance and if we have some young lads that can come in and hold their own like you say that's a positive thing.
Under Kenny we will see more of this by the looks of things, and it wont always work. But then again nether do senior players that come into the side at times.
I am very positive about these young lads and the fact that the manager is looking to give them the chance rather than play a squad player out of position like Roy or Rafa might have.

by **GOAT** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:19 am

Well now you put it like that... sh.it we're gonna get relegated next season!!!

Strengthen the team in the summer, which is highly likely to happen, and we'll be fine....

Am I to take from your post that you don't want Kenny as manager either? I'm hoping you're not one of them that wants a young foreigner with an exciting name (like villa boas) to come in, who's completely unproven but he's deffo going to be one of the best managers in the world one day

by **Joeblackisachimp** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:29 am

Reg wrote:Liverpool play 3 teenagers against Arsenal in the end of season run in, a 17 and 18 year old as left and right backs and we fans become delirious 'We can see the future', 'We're going to win the league and champions league next year'. Lets be honest, NO club in the 1st through 4th division put out two defenders of 17 and 18 last weekend except Liverpool. Not even the team bottom of the 4th division - and I don't need to check. Its a sham and shows what a TERRIBLE state the club is in. Other top sides must be amazed how we manage to stay in the top half of the league.

Mourinho would disagree with the club's assessment which is why he'll never come to Anfield - his philosophy is if you want success you need 2 world class defenders and if you don't have them, buy them in. Wenger refuses to accept he needs to bring in players and Arsenal will not win a cup again whilst he is in charge.

ManUre have Evra at left back, Chelsea have Cashley. Liverpool have a constantly injured Fabio and a 17 year old. In the centre we have the constantly injured Agger. Skrtel hasn't played well since his injury against Chelsea 3 years ago and Carra (90 thou a week) is playing out of his skin to plug the holes.

It reminds me of countless scenes from the film 'Life of Brian' where everyone is constantly BS'ing each other...... Kenny is the messiah, Kenny in reality is trying to paint over the cracks whilst no one's looking. The crowd shouts 'We want Kenny' (instead of Berwabbas) and the Romans (owners) say 'Dammit we want a young manager but if thats what they want give them Kenny'. And the Kop happily singing 'Always look on the bright side of life.....'.

If you look at the club without the rose tinted sunglasses, playing Academy youngsters in the 1st XI is a sad, sad reflection on the state of the club.

where you from mate? Denmark?

I'm betting you ain't from the green green grass of liverpool! lol

kenny was just giving some young talent a show out, not a lot to play for, but young Flanagan IMO did a very good job on all of his outings. some defenders out, it's a bold move by the KING

Johnson, Aurelio, etc out. no harm in experimenting.

kenny's hands are tied, till summer, he can't sign anyone till then. I am presuming the owners will back him for a major midfield revamp!?

If you dont like it Reg, Everton season tickets are going now for £399 in the echo. (if you know what the echo is???)

precisely my point. :eyebrow

by **Reg** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:25 am

Is that the best response you can come up with lad? *S*A*D*.

by **metalhead** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:38 am

Reg wrote:Is that the best response you can come up with lad? *S*A*D*.

Ignore the WUMs Reg.

I agree with some of your sentiments, and I don't believe that Kenny will rely on youngsters, he said it himself that he doesn't like rushing in the academy players. Also, I'm sure Comolli has a transfer stratregy put in place to strengthen. However, I agree with most on here that the likes of Flannagan, Shelvey and Spearing could be good options from the bench next season

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:10 pm

if i was an opposing manager, i would be envious of the amount of talent Liverpool has at right back in the shape of Kelly, Johnson and Flanagan. Johnson can play at the left side as well, while Kelly is actually a central defender. once we sort out the left back and central midfield issues, we're in business again :nod

by **PabloMedina28** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 7:08 pm

Greavesie wrote:To an extent I have to agree with Reg. What does it say about the state of the club post twit and tw@t when we had two kids at full back? Imagine they got slaughtered, we'd be staring at the realisation of the club's situation, accepting that the task at hand is a mammoth one that would take years to remedy - IMO it still is, regardless of the performances of the young guns. Fortunately though the kids have managed to take advantage of the circumstances in which they have been presented and shown what they can do, making overlooking them a lot more difficult in the future

I was watching the match with a neutral and I have to say I shat myself when I saw the subs benches of both sides, we were so lacking in depth it was depressing to read on paper.

Obviously the future looks a bit brighter now and the young lads have that hunger and conifdence but it could have easily went the other way...

Yeh but they didnt get slaughtered, they held thier own and not becaus ethe oposition had an off day but becuase they wrere good enough and thats why people are getting excited. I actually think the only good thing to come out of the Twit and :censored:

era is that Rafa was forced to give the academy a makeover and try to get in youngsters who would counter the fact we didnt have a 2 pennys to rub together. Because now we look like we have atleast 10 youngsters who could save us tens of millions in the future.

by **PabloMedina28** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 7:13 pm

Octsky wrote:
PabloMedina28 wrote:
greenred wrote:I disagree with you Reg.Jut because there young doesn't mean there not good enough.Sure you can say that there not experienced enough and that we were playing an important game against Arsenal but they have to start off somewhere.In some way's I know where your coming from ut in other way's your wrong.The point is we haven't had many young players coming through since Carra and Stevie G and we need some fresh young blood.That was one of Rafael Benitez's faults.He didn't use the academy.

To be fair hes the one who gave it a reboot. Ask Kenny

pls...Kenny is just being polite, its like saying Roy was a great manager for LFC.

no youth players have ever emerged from Rafa's 6 seasons here.
why?
if i am not wrong Everton has quite a few good youngsters since rodney.
so it has nothing to do with the geographical location or facilities (as we have a better one) .

No hes not its a fact Rafa started the reboot of the academy and Kenny and Liverpool are reaping the benefits. Listen im not one of these who constantly brings up Rafa i dont live in the past but just cause you had a disliking for him dont ignore what he did.

by **Greavesie** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 7:23 pm

If we didn't have an injury crisis at the time we might never have seen the youngsters come through...who knows if it is to Kenny's or Rafa's credit. The lads played in the circumstances in which they were dealt. We might even find ourselves thanking two skint Yanks that we were FORCED to play such players

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