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by **brentd4** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:03 pm

can someone explain to me the situation were in regarding european football, im confused,,,, can we make it if one of the mancs win the fa cup n we get 6th?

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by **Penguins** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:16 pm

No, but what european fotball gives you is exposure, money from
Uefa, tv rights etc etc.

You can't go on forever claiming you are a big club with no european football. it might work a little while but after a few midtable finishes I might pretty sure we will take a hit reputation wise.

And then I am a form believer our owners will spend very little money from their own pockets and instead from players sales and what the club makes.

And we have very few saleable assets left and with a stadium that is getting close to ancient and only domestic football it will be nigh impossible to compete in the transfer market.

This "only concentrate on the league" :censored:

is romantic thinking at best...

by **parchpea** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:42 pm

We managed to bag Suarez who is one of the brightest young players in the world and take Carroll a rising English star for a record amount of money. This is evidence to me we will pay the coin and as such good footballers will join Liverpool. The Europa and Champs league are excellent tournamnents but players have to go to work day in day out and feel wanted and looked after by their club. We can offer good money and first team football given our first 11 is threadbare on talent. Anyone coming in plays and doesnt have to fight past a host of stars for game time and thats a bonus. Liverpool has a lot to offer with or without Europe and whilst I understand the propoganda surrounding it I do not beleive its the be all and end all for players that the media makes out.

by **Kerry07** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:02 pm

Reina is gone, our two other major assets: Gerrard (32in May and looks like he will retire with us), Suarez (just signed)...then there are the quality players: Agger, Meireles, Carra (ditto Gerrard situation), Johnson, Carroll (just signed and could be more than just quality)... can see them all staying.

The Europa is an irrelevance to top players, we are not going to attract diddly with or without it.

Kenny has a massive task in overcoming the averageness which we have become. Told my old man before the game yesterday that had we been playing Braga 2 years ago (with Alonso, Masch et al) i'd have been getting tea ready (and a few Jaffa cakes) to sit down, relax, watch us dictate and control a game and progress with ease... instead of knowing that our team now (with the ilk of Lucas, Spearing and co.) we would have very little control, no dictating midfield, and it will be a tough ask as it inevitably proved.

In terms of talent we are a 6th/7th placed team... my worry is if that becomes three years running then the averageness begins to really set in for the long haul. Seeing Ngog and Spearing come on just further hit home... jesus thats all we have.

In the summer, cash permitting, with Reina leaving we need a new keeper, new left back, new central defender, two new central midfielders, and a left sided midfielder. So... six quality players (one or two being in the star category would do nicely.. especially a central midfielder ie. Javi Martinez).

Average joes: Krygiakos, Lucas, Spearing, Kuyt, Wilson, Poulson, Konchesky, Ngog.. that lot would get us... maybe.. 18 million. Then theres the 20 million from Reina sale... 38 million.. then whatever cash Kenny is given on top of that. We could definitely bring in the six players that would get us challenging for the 3rd/4th CL places.

by **Penguins** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:03 pm

What does it prove? Nothing

We had 60 odd Million to spend after Babel and Torres was sold and we did use up that money. We spent nothing more than we recouped, fact.

And now we are hearing more bosmans coming in the summer.

If we spend around 40 million NET without having to sell in the summer, which we must, I'll eat my hat.

We will probably see somthing like this:
Another one of Rafa's fantastic buys(which he gets little credit for nowadays), Reina is sold for 20- 25 million, we get a new keeper for 5 million, spend 30 million on a top player and as usual ignorant supporters laud the owners for their willingness to spend when it was all made possible for another of Rafa's buys....

by **red till i die!!** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:26 pm

Penguins wrote:No, but what european fotball gives you is exposure, money from
Uefa, tv rights etc etc.

You can't go on forever claiming you are a big club with no european football. it might work a little while but after a few midtable finishes I might pretty sure we will take a hit reputation wise.

And then I am a form believer our owners will spend very little money from their own pockets and instead from players sales and what the club makes.

And we have very few saleable assets left and with a stadium that is getting close to ancient and only domestic football it will be nigh impossible to compete in the transfer market.

This "only concentrate on the league" is romantic thinking at best...

the exposure you get from the europa league is nothing in comparison to the audiences the pl gets.
the money is a absolute joke as had we made the quarter finals we would have got a whopping £360k!! id say we pay spearing more than that.

the owners have to invest from their own pockets and not writing it off on our own assets as if they were to do this they would be no better than the previous regime.if they pay the wages they will get the players.

not qualifying for this joke of a competition in its current format is not the end of the world and a season were we arent in europe wont harm the club either.failure to ship out the muck players that are not good enough to play for us will.

by **Aussie Style** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:51 pm

IMO our European absence next season will benefit our push for CL football in 2012-13. I'm not too sure of the financial ramifications, or if it will affect our ability to attract or hold onto players. But personally I won't be losing any sleep over the club not being involved in the Europe league for a year, as long as we use it to our advantage in the league.

by **PabloMedina28** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:12 pm

Judge wrote:gonna be a bit of a struggle to get into any euro competition for next season......gonna be hard for kenny now

so even if he has 200 million to spend, who's gonna come to a club without european football 2011/12 ??

Hypothically any players with any ounce of intelligence. If we had 200 million to spend in the summer we could pretty much get a world class player in every position. So i dont think theyd be bovered about missing out on europe for a year as thyed probally win the CL the next and then the rest.

by **ethanr** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:44 pm

I'm just glad I don't feel obligated to watch any more of that garbage we call Europa League football :angry:

by **Reg** » Sat Mar 19, 2011 1:03 pm

Never ceases to amaze me why you lads bother supporting our club, such negative drivel.

by **Rush Job** » Sat Mar 19, 2011 2:02 pm

Penguins wrote:That is just illogical supporter talk.

It is the players that wins trophies for the club first and foremonst and you can bet your **** that if most players would have a choice playing for a team playing in europe or not they would go to a team that plays in Europe.

No, sorry, they will not go on like supporters thinking that since the club being nowhere right now but won things 30 years ago is a better proposition right now.

You need top class players to compete for honours and some here honestly expect that we can attract the very best in the world with just the PL to go for?

That is delusional thinking at best...

Exactly. A club the size of liverpool needs to be in europe IMO and not being shunts us down to the third tier where it will be much harder to attract the best players.
Look at Suarez for instance when he signed for us he remarked that is was because he saw us as a CL side. Well its a good job we signed him in Jan because the way things are going I dont think we would have got him in the summer.
Also will we lose a player or two? Pepe comes to mind.

by **Rush Job** » Sat Mar 19, 2011 2:15 pm

Penguins wrote:No, but what european fotball gives you is exposure, money from
Uefa, tv rights etc etc.

You can't go on forever claiming you are a big club with no european football. it might work a little while but after a few midtable finishes I might pretty sure we will take a hit reputation wise.

And then I am a form believer our owners will spend very little money from their own pockets and instead from players sales and what the club makes.

And we have very few saleable assets left and with a stadium that is getting close to ancient and only domestic football it will be nigh impossible to compete in the transfer market.

This "only concentrate on the league" is romantic thinking at best...

Dont you see mate now we are not even good enough for the europa league we`re nailed on for a CL place next season.

You cant fk with that kinda reasoning can ya.

by **Kenny Kan** » Sat Mar 19, 2011 3:13 pm

red till i die!! wrote:
Penguins wrote:No, but what european fotball gives you is exposure, money from
Uefa, tv rights etc etc.

You can't go on forever claiming you are a big club with no european football. it might work a little while but after a few midtable finishes I might pretty sure we will take a hit reputation wise.

And then I am a form believer our owners will spend very little money from their own pockets and instead from players sales and what the club makes.

And we have very few saleable assets left and with a stadium that is getting close to ancient and only domestic football it will be nigh impossible to compete in the transfer market.

This "only concentrate on the league" is romantic thinking at best...

the exposure you get from the europa league is nothing in comparison to the audiences the pl gets.
the money is a absolute joke as had we made the quarter finals we would have got a whopping £360k!! id say we pay spearing more than that.

the owners have to invest from their own pockets and not writing it off on our own assets as if they were to do this they would be no better than the previous regime.if they pay the wages they will get the players.

not qualifying for this joke of a competition in its current format is not the end of the world and a season were we arent in europe wont harm the club either.failure to ship out the muck players that are not good enough to play for us will.

by **Kenny Kan** » Sat Mar 19, 2011 3:45 pm

Dedicated this to whoever I've shared a pint, airport lounge, hotel room, toothbrush, etc with on a European trip. Thank you to all of you. It's now time to unite and bring it all back sooner rather than later.

Link: http://thekop.liverpoolfc.tv/_Why-Eu....71.html

If the two budget airline flights and local train service from Oporto to Braga didn’t prompt the realisation to set in, the gothic towers, Baroque buildings and early spring sunshine which adorned the streets certainly did.

This wasn’t Liverpool. It was Braga, the oldest city in Portugal and a city like no other we’d been to before.

But that’s what Liverpool supporters say about every European trip. Each journey is marked on a fresh page in our memory’s scrapbook and filed under ‘special’.

No matter if it’s a statue in Seville, a bar in Bucharest or a currywurst in Cologne, every journey is remembered and every one provides an anecdote to be retold, albeit occasionally doctored with hyperbole.

Talking to good friends in splendid sunshine while sipping a Superbock can make you lose perspective easily. It proved so yet again last week.

Braga was the best European adventure we’d embarked upon, we brashly proclaimed, because Braga’s stadium was the best we’d ever stepped foot in.

As we walked to the ground, we surveyed our surroundings; in front of us stood a giant rock where, five minutes later, we would stand atop of and gaze onto the pitch below as if we were spectators to a game of Subbuteo.

A brief amble down the cliff, evoking memories of school trips to multisyllabic Welsh mountains, led supporters to the away turnstiles. Bewildered looks spread across faces to accompany the light stain of red wine that had accumulated over the afternoon.

Forget the majesty of the Bernabeu, the volume of Estadio de Luz, the intensity of the Stadio Olimpico or the sheer enormity of the Camp Nou. Braga’s Estadio AXA was the greatest we’d ever seen.

This opinion will change frequently, of course. It already has. Some days, the intensity of the Stadio Olimpico is the overwhelming emotion felt; on others, the feeling of being just one of 95,000 people in a gargantuan Catalan amphitheatre.

Sometimes, the night in Eindhoven is the one to raise the broadest smile; sometimes it’s Monaco, Porto or Milan.

That’s why the past ten years have been so special.

Spurs supporters are excited about trips to the San Siro and the Bernabeu this season, and rightly so; yet when they relay their excitement to us, they don’t comprehend our disinterested response.

They don’t comprehend that Liverpool Football Club have seen it all already.

It’s not simply the places – it’s the people as well. In Braga, there were four of us; in Barcelona, the number was just shy of forty. The number matters little.

What matters is that these are people you share hotel rooms and airport departure lounges with; these are the people you share your innermost thoughts with in some dark, backstreet Prague bar at 2 o’clock in the morning.

Liverpool’s aggregate defeat to Braga and current league position appears to signal the end of European travel and all that encompasses it for the next 18 months at least.

The result at Anfield this week prompted exaggerated lamentations from people who feel Liverpool Football Club has a divine right to play European football every season. Debates have already begun as to how damaging a season without Europe would be for the club.

Liverpool Football Club recently celebrated its 119th birthday. Next year, it will celebrate its 120th regardless of whether European football is being played at Anfield.

That’s not to say the supporters don’t appreciate European football.

We’ve experienced almost everything there is to experience. AC Milan, Internazionale, Real Madrid, Roma, Barcelona – all these European giants conquered in the past 10 years. Liverpool Football Club has given us so much and so many incredible nights, both home and abroad.

But now it’s time to give something back; it’s time to give the club patience.

It would be upsetting for both supporters and personnel if 5th wasn’t achieved in the league this season, but it’s important to remember how spoilt this football club has been in terms of Europe.

In this column alone, there’s been reference to 13 European cities we’ve visited since the last failure to qualify in 1999.

It’s also important to remember the year that the club has endured. The rebuilding process has only just begun; the rubble left by the mismanagement of those who somehow found their way into powerful positions at the football club still rests at our feet.

It will take a collective effort from Kenny Dalglish, the supporters, the players and Fenway Sports Group to restore the club to its former glory. Like any rebuilding job, a firm foundation must be laid in place first – with Kenny Dalglish, we have that foundation.

Supporters are worried that no European football will lead to a lower calibre of player being attracted to the football club, but now more than ever, this football club needs players who want to play for Liverpool Football Club regardless of the current situation.

The last time Liverpool played without European competition, Sami Hyypia, Stephane Henchoz, Dietmar Hamann and Vladmir Smicer signed for the club. All four were fantastic servants to the club, regardless of opinion regarding ability. All of them bar Stephane Henchoz played a vital role in Istanbul, just six years after that year in exile.

Those four men wanted to play for the football club and for the supporters – not because European competition was guaranteed, but because they shared the vision of the manager and the supporters.

Any players that cannot understand what has happened to the club are not wanted; any players that cannot understand what is happening at the club are not wanted either.

That same rule applies to supporters, too. For those who bemoan the potential lack of adventures abroad, remember what we’ve experienced in the past and know that under the guidance of Kenny Dalglish, we will be able to experience it again.

The club is slowly climbing up the hill once more. First team players such as Reina, Agger, Kelly, Johnson and Lucas are young and talented and the addition of more young, talented players - Carroll and Suarez – demonstrates that the club has a clear strategy and progressive, forward-thinking bodies behind it.

Patience is the only thing that’s required from both supporters and playing staff; those who don’t wish to be part of the new Liverpool Football Club aren’t welcome. There’s still space in that scrapbook in our conscience, it just might be closed for a season.

Roy Evans once said that European football without Liverpool Football Club was like a banquet without wine. It’s now up to all associated with the club to unite and crush the grapes together.

That way, the wine will taste all the more sweet when we get there again.

:nod

by **ethanr** » Sat Mar 19, 2011 3:56 pm

Hmm. That part about players will still come if they respect the club is exactly what I was saying...

Good article.

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