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by **Thommo's perm** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:55 pm

shabelle50 wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:
burjennio wrote:If we arnt going to play long ball we need quality out wide, something we dont have atm. Something we're going to have to address in the summer.

Johnson is the new pennant

I take the point but I don't blame Johnson he had two Braga players constantly in front of him in the second half. Where was Cole or Meireles giving him more support? Aldo was right on LFCTV we missed Kelly in both ties but the lack of movement was all to clear. Maxi needs to be released on a free as soon as possible I don't know how Rafa ever brought such a waster to LFC he makes Voronin look effective!

Maxi doesnt do anything. Therefore he doesnt fu'ck up. Therefore he gets a place.
Johnson is starting to infuriate me. He has potential talent (like Babel) but insists on turning back when in possesion and looks terrified of bombing on. He is always stopping the flow. He needs a slap to liven him up. Or fu'ck off. One of the two.

by **PabloAimar** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:59 pm

Kenny Kan wrote:
PabloAimar wrote:lets hope carragher and skrtel are told they have to do an hours worth of training with a 'football' for every 3 punts of the ball up the pitch in carroll's general direction.
i know there's so much more to the colossus's game but i fear the worst with our 2 centre backs (not inc. agger) and after witnessing the crouch years.

Very much justified after tonight, new this was coming.

WimblPool.

it wasn't just now and again either... unless lucas practically went back to tackle the ball off the pair of them, uppppp it went, hoofed towards carroll. disgusting.

by **shabelle50** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:05 am

Liverpool haven't escaped from the Rafa mentality of constantly knocking it back to Reina to hoof downfield. Tonight was embarrassing and confirmed again how limited this squad of players is without Kelly, Aurelio, Agger, Gerrard and Suarez.

by **Thommo's perm** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:08 am

shabelle50 wrote:Liverpool haven't escaped from the Rafa mentality of constantly knocking it back to Reina to hoof downfield. Tonight was embarrassing and confirmed again how limited this squad of players is without Kelly, Aurelio, Agger, Gerrard and Suarez.

Please dont bring him into it...
:no

by **Kenny Kan** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:35 am

Have to admit I'm not convinced about him as a player, it looks as though Soto is playing upfront challenging for aerial headers and for 35M? pfft, I need convincing.

Also with him in the side our team dynamics have changed drastically and that isn't positive either.

I know its early but...

by **ethanr** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:50 am

tubby wrote:It's plain as day we need some quality on the wings and im sure come the summer it's one of the first areas that Kenny will look at. We were close to getting Ashley Cole so im sure it's not something that isn't on Kenny's mind.

Yes we definitely need quality on the wings. However, I think you mean Ashley Young

by **alwayslfc** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:55 am

I know he's good esp. in the air. Personally I'd have preferred a Suarez and Torres (yes, I know he's gone) partnership up front. I remember in his last few matches here under Kenny's tutelage he was getting more like the player he once was since Kenny was a striker, I'm sure he knew how to get the best out of a striker. Unfortunately he's gone.

Time will tell whether Carrol will be a prolific scorer like Rushie, Fowler or another not so prolific average striker like Crouchie. But I can definitely say he's overrated at 35 million.

by **tubby** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:57 am

ethanr wrote:
tubby wrote:It's plain as day we need some quality on the wings and im sure come the summer it's one of the first areas that Kenny will look at. We were close to getting Ashley Cole so im sure it's not something that isn't on Kenny's mind.

Yes we definitely need quality on the wings. However, I think you mean Ashley Young

Yes sorry dunno what came over me there

by **lakes10** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:03 am

so we are now liverhighball

we did not win last due to the amount of high balls we were putting in, in hope that Carroll would get his head on one, the amount of free kicks we gave away trying to do this was silly and in a lot of cases a low ball would have been much better, he might be tall but he also has feet.

by **maximus** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:18 pm

alwayslfc wrote:I know he's good esp. in the air. Personally I'd have preferred a Suarez and Torres (yes, I know he's gone) partnership up front. I remember in his last few matches here under Kenny's tutelage he was getting more like the player he once was since Kenny was a striker, I'm sure he knew how to get the best out of a striker. Unfortunately he's gone.

Time will tell whether Carrol will be a prolific scorer like Rushie, Fowler or another not so prolific average striker like Crouchie. But I can definitely say he's overrated at 35 million.

As someone told me just after we signed him - Carroll is the equivalent purchase of going into a small corner shop 1 minute before closing and paying £20-00 for a Pot Noodle because you were starving :glare:

by **lakes10** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:17 pm

metalhead wrote:He looked good today, he lacked service and ultimately as many feared that our back four started hoofing the ball to him. Looks promising, can't wait for him partnering with Suarez

how can you say he looked great, he looked :censored:

off that the only timne he was being given the ball was when it was put in high, i know he is tall but he also need the ball put into his feet, last night 3 times if the ball had been put to his feet he could have got a shot away, but know they stuck it on his head.

by **red till i die!!** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:45 pm

he did ok last night imo.better than anyone else in his position with the tactics we used.
we need wingers to compliment him.
a proper rm and lm is what we need in the summer,someone who will take a lad on lift the head and pick him out.

by **worcester_red** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:49 pm

The problem last night was not Carrol it was the complete and utter lack of any creativity in the team, I've said it before and I'll say it again we have far to many average players in the team who only seem able to get motivated when they are in the shop window playing Manure, the chavs etc. We need a massive clearout in the summer.

by **PabloAimar** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:28 pm

i'm not convinced carroll will ever really be worth £35M as an individual but if his play can add £20M collectively to the value of meireles, gerrard and suarez's performances, then it's a good deal. a big target man like that needs a clever, energetic and technical player to exploit/create space off and around him to show his true value - suarez, not kuyt.

by **Kerry07** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:08 pm

maximus wrote:
alwayslfc wrote:I know he's good esp. in the air. Personally I'd have preferred a Suarez and Torres (yes, I know he's gone) partnership up front. I remember in his last few matches here under Kenny's tutelage he was getting more like the player he once was since Kenny was a striker, I'm sure he knew how to get the best out of a striker. Unfortunately he's gone.

Time will tell whether Carrol will be a prolific scorer like Rushie, Fowler or another not so prolific average striker like Crouchie. But I can definitely say he's overrated at 35 million.

As someone told me just after we signed him - Carroll is the equivalent purchase of going into a small corner shop 1 minute before closing and paying £20-00 for a Pot Noodle because you were starving

good analogy.

Thats pretty much how i saw it... rushed last ditch purchase with the huge wad of cash we recieved. Recall seeing the SSN yellow ticker around 1pm on the last day of the window "newcastle reject Liverpool offer".. and thinking thank christ.

Having said that.. i immediately like what i see in both ties vs Braga. His touch looks solid.. and thats massive. To be able to trap the ball, hold it up...lay it off...with his size, physique, aerial ability.. we have a major player on our hands. And Suarez is the perfect foil to play off him.

You also have to factor in what a diabolical central midfield he had behind him against Braga..he was fed nothing. And he is a forward who needs service.

Quality midfield signings in the summer, decent service to Carroll.. then we will finally see what we have bought.

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