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by **Scottbot** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:35 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:Sh1t game , sh1t performance , clean sheet . JOB DONE .

What he said with bells on it. Some niaive posters in this thread in my opinion. It's an away game in a European backwater against a team that didn't want to come out and play and it was boring as hell to watch but it's hardly the first time we'vehad to sit through that sort of turgid performance away in Europe is it? Rafa's teams served up a few and there were so many forgettable away days in Euorpe in the glory years that I've....um forgotten them.

by **only me** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:36 pm

haps wrote:
only me wrote:
jacdaniel wrote:I cant believe that some people expect Kenny to just turn us into an all out attack team over night. We haven't played that way in 12 years or so. When Roy was in charge, we were leaking goals left, right and centre as well as losing games every week or two.

Every managers first task is to make sure the team are well organised and defensively sound. That is starting to become the case now. we've only conceded one goal in 6 games! Thats a big positive.

People seem to be forgetting that our star striker left and now our 2 main strikers are not available for Europa for different reasons. Not to mention that Gerrard and Agger were both missing...2 players that seriously make us better going forward.

I knew we wouldn't create too much last night...just look at our team and it was easy to see. Kuyt, Maxi, Ngog, Cole, Aurelio etc = NO PACE. But we got the job done, which is what being away from home in Europe is all about.

Remember the Champions League in 2005? Not all the group games or away ties were pretty on the eye either.

As for Pacheco, he is a player that i really like and id like to see coming on in more games. But I trust Rafa, Kenny, Roy and Steve Clarke etc know more about why he isnt in the first team than me.

7 games unbeaten now. Lets get our best players fit and playing and stuff this lot next week and then push on in the league.
Its a work in progress people, we ain't coming back overnight.

Believe in What you see....If you see Shiity Performance with Shiity players that can't connect a pass from the beginning of the season then Yes you better start changing things.

Noboday expects Kenny to Turn this Squad to a great team ,simply because we don't have the players for that ,but he can start working on approach to games ,he can sub some players ,he has nothing to lose. I assume next season we will release many of the deadwood currently on the payrole ,so why not try to shake things up??

Why not try Pacheco or Cole or Even Milan for 3-4 straight games? If Kuyt and Maxi are allowed to roam the pitch for soooo long surely others deserve a chance? Why not Try playing Johnson as a RW? Play 2 strikers ? show some initiative some courage ,Surely keeping an unbeaten record isn't the goal here right? This season is practicly over so let's experiment a bit ,beats watching pathetic defensive displays as last night.

... and you can sod off too. Miserable negative git. All you ever do is whinge like a pussy. You think you're just expressing your opinion but jumping down the players' and manager's throat after one or two unspectacular outings isn't support. Support your team. Do you know what that word means? You talk like you'd know how to manage a football team. Feckin pub experts, I hate them.

Hey brain dead ,the fact i "whinge like a pussy" doesn't mean i don't support the team and want to them to succeed in everygame ,I really don't give a flying fck what you consider to be a good/bad supporter so move on. I call it as i see it.

by **only me** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:40 pm

stmichael wrote:
only me wrote:Believe in What you see....If you see Shiity Performance with Shiity players that can't connect a pass from the beginning of the season then Yes you better start changing things.

Noboday expects Kenny to Turn this Squad to a great team ,simply because we don't have the players for that ,but he can start working on approach to games ,he can sub some players ,he has nothing to lose. I assume next season we will release many of the deadwood currently on the payrole ,so why not try to shake things up??

Why not try Pacheco or Cole or Even Milan for 3-4 straight games? If Kuyt and Maxi are allowed to roam the pitch for soooo long surely others deserve a chance? Why not Try playing Johnson as a RW? Play 2 strikers ? show some initiative some courage ,Surely keeping an unbeaten record isn't the goal here right? This season is practicly over so let's experiment a bit ,beats watching pathetic defensive displays as last night.

honestly, do you ever say anything positive about anything?

yes last night was drab (i'd lost the will to live by half time) but at the end of the day it was job done. we essentially played the game without anything upfront. it's going to take a major rebuilding job in the summer but we knew that before the game anyway.

we'll smash them at home.

You lost your will to live by half time and i'm the one being negative.....

I'm just frustrated ,venting ,because i think with all our weakneses we could do much better ,i really think we are adopting a small team mentality and not deploying our best players...That's it. The results are on the field ,and they aren't positive.

by **mkingdom** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:44 pm

oh and Kuyt was absolutely shocking last night. Nothing he tried came off. Woeful performance and he needs a rest.

by **Scottbot** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:47 pm

alwayslfc wrote:I'm happy with our defence (we've been playing defensive football since Kenny took over anyway and doing quite well)

I don't think our football has been defensive at all since Kenny came in. I think we've been playing very balanced football. The defence are playing with a higher line, we're keeping the ball MUCH better and playing more positively and with much greater composure. Even in the Chelsea match we set-up quite defensively but we finished the game with 48% possession which for a game away to the Champions is pretty good going. In contrast I seem to remember we had the ball for just 40% (or even less) during the home 2-0 win over Chelsea under Hodgson.

by **Scottbot** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:50 pm

mkingdom wrote:oh and Kuyt was absolutely shocking last night. Nothing he tried came off. Woeful performance and he needs a rest.

Dirk does put in a shift like that occasionally. To get the best out of Kuyt you need to play him in a side with at least a coupleof flair players in your front 3-4 and we didn't have that last night.

As for rest, they've all got 10 days now anyway so fingers crossed everyone will be fresh and raring to go for West Ham. And that includes me coz i got a ticket!

by **woof woof !** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:12 pm

We were awful. Our lack of ambition against a "ring rusty" side was unbelievable.

More worrying, the game showed up how thin our squad really is. As far as this competition is concerned we were just about playing our first choice 11, with Suarez ineligible the only two players of any significance we could have added had they been fit would be Gerrard and Carrol. Those two would certainly make a difference but without them we are toothless.

by **PabloMedina28** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:34 pm

The problem i had with Kenny last night was the problem i have with most managers is when they insist on letting the senior players play :censored:

and dont give youngsters a go. Cant believe all this defensive foootball :censored:

im hearing. Weve played some brilliant quick one touch passing, at times its been of the highest class. i have no doubt in my mind Kenny will get us back to playing like we did when he left us. Dont forget the last 2 games weve had arguable are best two players out and the squads :censored:

not Kennys fault. We had Suarez Carroll Gerrard Agger Kelly all out plus the players are knackered with the ammount of games theyve played recently. Were gonna get more players in the summer so im not too concerned by the performnce, i dont think its a sign of things to come. Its the fact that we havent had a manager like dare i say it Whiskynose since ive been a supporter who isnt afraid to drop :censored:

players and put youngsters in that gets to me.

by **PabloMedina28** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:38 pm

woof woof ! wrote:We were awful. Our lack of ambition against a "ring rusty" side was unbelievable.

More worrying, the game showed up how thin our squad really is. As far as this competition is concerned we were just about playing our first choice 11, with Suarez ineligible the only two players of any significance we could have added had they been fit would be Gerrard and Carrol. Those two would certainly make a difference but without them we are toothless.

Also Agger and Kelly. Thats 4 players take 4 of the best players from any team in the world and they look alot worse.

Id say we ned atleast 4 fresh (qualiy) faces in the summer to have a good enough first 16.

Which isnt really a massive ask, not enough to get depresssed about this result

by **brentd4** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:53 pm

anyone else worried that at home sparta mite score a jammy goal or penalty etc, and wed need 2 goals, thers stil a long way to go in this tie and im not entirely confident

by **jacdaniel** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:58 pm

brentd4 wrote:anyone else worried that at home sparta mite score a jammy goal or penalty etc, and wed need 2 goals, thers stil a long way to go in this tie and im not entirely confident

Its definitly possible. I hate the thoughts of us having to score 2 or 3 goals because we have feck all strikers in that particular competition. Need to hope Carroll is available soon

by **Bermenstein** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:04 pm

brentd4 wrote:anyone else worried that at home sparta mite score a jammy goal or penalty etc, and wed need 2 goals, thers stil a long way to go in this tie and im not entirely confident

Once we win at home, it doesnt matter how many they score.

Gonna go for a 5-4 win for us next Thursday.

Seriously though, we have to be able to beat these at Anfield.......

by **woof woof !** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:08 pm

brentd4 wrote:anyone else worried that at home sparta mite score a jammy goal or penalty etc, and wed need 2 goals, thers stil a long way to go in this tie and im not entirely confident

I'm reasonably confident BUT like you I haven't discounted the fact that they could bite us in the a'rse with a jammy goal and it would a nervey uphill struggle from there on in. Last night despite Kenny putting a brave face on it Sparta looked more satisfied with the result than we did, i think they fancy their chances of an away score draw.

I don't know if it was because we were so poor but I thought Sparta did enough last night to deserve to be taken a little more seriously by those who expect the second leg to be a walkover for us, sure we've gotta be odds on favourites but as you say " there's still a long way to go in this tie" .

by **RedSi35** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:39 pm

Perspective is a funny thing!

We were hum drum last night there is no getting away from it, ok so we were not at full strength so there are some plusses.

I think the posters who are moaning about us being a little too defensive must be on something! I woule rather see us not conceeding goals and scraping wins opposed to :censored:

week in week out goal fests.

Tightening up defence has been a massive bonus for us since kenny came in, but christ he cant fix everything in a few weeks.

The offence will come. We for sure have the players who can fire it up when required and we have also signed some proper stars. Also look at all that potential in the youth setup.

The futures bright

by **only me** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:02 am

RedSi35 wrote:Perspective is a funny thing!

We were hum drum last night there is no getting away from it, ok so we were not at full strength so there are some plusses.

I think the posters who are moaning about us being a little too defensive must be on something! I woule rather see us not conceeding goals and scraping wins opposed to week in week out goal fests.

Tightening up defence has been a massive bonus for us since kenny came in, but christ he cant fix everything in a few weeks.

The offence will come. We for sure have the players who can fire it up when required and we have also signed some proper stars. Also look at all that potential in the youth setup.

The futures bright

Yeh i must be on something ,how dare we ask our team to play a bit more risky against a side which has just returned from a 2 month break of no football at all....What a dreamer am i....

You know what even on a practical level it would have been much better if we tried getting the away bonus goal and avoid potentialy ,although very slim ,accidents in Anfield.

I agree we are not yet ready to walk to any stadium with an offensive approach but giving up in advance is just unaccaptable.

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