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by **brentd4** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:04 pm

as i have heard earlier in the season, the new owners were wanting to wait until the summer to buy new players.
has it got to the stage were we now have to buy in january, and if so how much money will kenny have to spend.

personally i think we need to buy now, if we wait to the summer we will struggle and end up in a relegation fight, and i honestly dont think we would do to well in that because we dont have the fight like wolves and blackpool do.

by **lakes10** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:14 pm

going by what ssn said last night its not a case of money, its down to what players we need and if we can get them to leave the club they are at if they have a long contract. if not it will be a case of buying a few players to fill in caps untill the summer

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:01 pm

Yeah the case is not whether the money is there but whether spending is authorised for this transfer window. We are in a catch22 situation - January is a notoriously poor time to make transfers. Player valuations are often skewed, as clubs do not want to lose players mid-season, and many players willing to move mid-season are the ones looking for a pay rise. But we are in need of squad improvements.

I imagine the idea would be to save the bulk of funds for the summer and recruit quality, use this transfer window to bring in support in needed areas but not splash the cash to do so. I can see loan signings on the horizon....

by **paisleyred** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 2:42 pm

we really need a 'make a difference' signing or two.
if we bring in a squad player or two they will just end up playing at the same level as the majority of the current team.(poor)

by **tubby** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:18 pm

Why are they waiting till the summer? The new fair rules come into play meaning they wont be able to spend more than the club is bringing in. If they are serious about getting back to the top of the table they would open their :censored:

pockets up now. I know Henry has openly said the new fair play rules was the main reason behind buying us but he gonna ultimatley gonna be able to hide behind that rule in terms of big spending.

by **Greavesie** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:20 pm

we need players who can go straight into the first team. I'd love to sign the up and coming youngsters in the game but I'm afraid we need to look more immediate than that. We simply can't wait til the summer

by **crim cram** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:27 pm

Agree w/ paisleyred. We absolutely need a left winger and a striker. after that it's all gravy.

order of needs:
1. Left Winger
2. Striker
3. Left Back
4. Central Defender
5. Right Winger
6. Defensive Midfielder

4,5,and 6 are almost interchangeable in terms of priority but they seem to be the second tier of needs ATM and probably won't get solved in this transfer window. Our wide play has been even worse than the soft middle which has led to so many goals let in.

by **Scottbot** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:40 pm

crim cram wrote:Agree w/ paisleyred. We absolutely need a left winger and a striker. after that it's all gravy.

order of needs:
1. Left Winger
2. Striker
3. Left Back
4. Central Defender
5. Right Winger
6. Defensive Midfielder

4,5,and 6 are almost interchangeable in terms of priority but they seem to be the second tier of needs ATM and probably won't get solved in this transfer window. Our wide play has been even worse than the soft middle which has led to so many goals let in.

We can't keep a clean sheet away from home to save ourself so I would personally put CB right up there with a new forward. With Carra out, our lads really aren't up to it.

by **Greavesie** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:43 pm

Scottbot wrote:
crim cram wrote:Agree w/ paisleyred. We absolutely need a left winger and a striker. after that it's all gravy.

order of needs:
1. Left Winger
2. Striker
3. Left Back
4. Central Defender
5. Right Winger
6. Defensive Midfielder

4,5,and 6 are almost interchangeable in terms of priority but they seem to be the second tier of needs ATM and probably won't get solved in this transfer window. Our wide play has been even worse than the soft middle which has led to so many goals let in.

We can't keep a clean sheet away from home to save ourself so I would personally put CB right up there with a new forward. With Carra out, our lads really aren't up to it.

I was thinking the same thing. We've been shipping goals left right and centre this season. A new, quality left back would be great but that's not as important as some positions. We need a proper commanding centre half badly I think. We could also do with a Masch type player in the middle of the park as well

As far as right wing goes, I still think Johnson's the answer should Kenny try it

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:54 pm

bavlondon wrote:Why are they waiting till the summer? The new fair rules come into play meaning they wont be able to spend more than the club is bringing in. If they are serious about getting back to the top of the table they would open their pockets up now. I know Henry has openly said the new fair play rules was the main reason behind buying us but he gonna ultimatley gonna be able to hide behind that rule in terms of big spending.

Bav you need to brish up on the new fair play rules.

In essence the fair play rules are a break-even rule but there are some factors you clearly aren't aware of.

1 - The break-even figures are calculated over a 3 season average.

2 - Clubs must not return losses of more then €45m (£38m) for the 2012-15 period. This figure reduces every year after 2015.

Essentially, you can over spend what you want, as long as you recoup the money by 2015.

NESV could splash serious cash in the summer to strengthen as long as they didn't accrue a £38m loss over three years.

by **brentd4** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:20 pm

i agree that buying the up and comin players is always good but we need experienced players now, but we have a good few up and coming players at are disposal already,(kelly, wilson, amoo, suso, pacheco etc.) im happy on that front, so yea wat we need is players to fill the gaps.

i think we need cb, lb, lm, fw. all in jan.

by **parchpea** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:34 pm

We must buy a couple at least this window just to freshen the thing up as we are in a right state. The clubs been hit hard on and off the park for a few years now and this turmoil has finally caught up this season. We have gone backwards fast whilst other sides have improved, not only by spending money but also employing bright young managers with fresh ideas. This window gives us a chance to redress that balance a little and get our side off the ropes at least so we can find our feet in the summer. If they are foolish enough to go with the Dalglish factor alone I think it will be a big mistake.

by **tubby** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:35 pm

SouthCoastShankly wrote:
bavlondon wrote:Why are they waiting till the summer? The new fair rules come into play meaning they wont be able to spend more than the club is bringing in. If they are serious about getting back to the top of the table they would open their pockets up now. I know Henry has openly said the new fair play rules was the main reason behind buying us but he gonna ultimatley gonna be able to hide behind that rule in terms of big spending.

Bav you need to brish up on the new fair play rules.

In essence the fair play rules are a break-even rule but there are some factors you clearly aren't aware of.

1 - The break-even figures are calculated over a 3 season average.

2 - Clubs must not return losses of more then €45m (£38m) for the 2012-15 period. This figure reduces every year after 2015.

Essentially, you can over spend what you want, as long as you recoup the money by 2015.

NESV could splash serious cash in the summer to strengthen as long as they didn't accrue a £38m loss over three years.

Thanks SCS,

I was under the impression it was based on revenue for that/or previous year alone.

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:43 pm

bavlondon wrote:
SouthCoastShankly wrote:
bavlondon wrote:Why are they waiting till the summer? The new fair rules come into play meaning they wont be able to spend more than the club is bringing in. If they are serious about getting back to the top of the table they would open their pockets up now. I know Henry has openly said the new fair play rules was the main reason behind buying us but he gonna ultimatley gonna be able to hide behind that rule in terms of big spending.

Bav you need to brish up on the new fair play rules.

In essence the fair play rules are a break-even rule but there are some factors you clearly aren't aware of.

1 - The break-even figures are calculated over a 3 season average.

2 - Clubs must not return losses of more then €45m (£38m) for the 2012-15 period. This figure reduces every year after 2015.

Essentially, you can over spend what you want, as long as you recoup the money by 2015.

NESV could splash serious cash in the summer to strengthen as long as they didn't accrue a £38m loss over three years.

Thanks SCS,

I was under the impression it was based on revenue for that/or previous year alone.

Well I think that is the eventual ideal but they're phasing the system in.

Each season after 2015, the amount you can post as losses will reduce until they settle on a suitable value. Many think it will be something like £10m.

by **R4Meireles** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:31 pm

crim cram wrote:Agree w/ paisleyred. We absolutely need a left winger and a striker. after that it's all gravy.

order of needs:
1. Left Winger
2. Striker
3. Left Back
4. Central Defender
5. Right Winger
6. Defensive Midfielder

4,5,and 6 are almost interchangeable in terms of priority but they seem to be the second tier of needs ATM and probably won't get solved in this transfer window. Our wide play has been even worse than the soft middle which has led to so many goals let in.

I think the same and I would like to see this:

1- Hazard
2 - Lukaku/ Suarez
3- Coentrão/ Cissokho
4- Hangeland

5- Navas/Wijnaldum
6- Miguel Veloso/Diego Arismendi/Lass

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