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Postby akumaface » Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:46 am

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akumaface wrote:
maguskwt wrote::laugh:

Kenny has been in charge for 1 training session and after a loss some of you lost faith in him already.

I don't know where we'll end up but I'll say this. Kenny will do much better than Roy and we won't be relegated.

Exactly. Thommo was defending Roy and said give him more time but now he is questioning Kenny after 2 games. Double standard i would say haha.

I have every faith in KK. Mainly because he is our only hope of avoiding the drop
Having spoken to supporters and read on here that people thought it was a "strange" team selection I was wondering what peoples opinions were, specifically about two players who are seen as dodgy to say the least, being picked ahead of others who are better.
If we cannot discuss team selection, or tactics, or anything to do with the team, then what the fu'ck is the point of the forum?
It is not about losing faith, its about what he is doing and why, and what people think. Otherwise nobody asks anything for fear of being accused of being against KK.
Which I am blatantly not

Ok fine. If you say so. As long as we keep the argument based on fact then not a problem. I think Kenny had to give one final chance to all the players so only the ones that perform will play. Just trying to establish the order without doing anyone any favours. This is the first step then Kenny can try to tune the tactics according to that selection. It is all now trial and error stage i suppose.
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Postby jacdaniel » Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:26 am

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jacdaniel wrote:I don't think Kenny had much choice with Poulsen the other night.  Gerrard was suspended, Shelvey isnt really ready, Spearing isnt fit and Lucas probably needed some rest after running around so much against the Mancs.  (and with the Derby coming up).

Playing Jova was strange though.  Maybe he thought he'd give him a shot since Cole and Babel were out and he hasnt had many chances. 

Hopefully Kenny learns that Konchesky, Poulsen and Jovan should never play for us again.  Although he is gonna need Konchesky at times.

I agree
I would rather have someone from the academy at left back than Konchesky.
What concerns me is that you said Kenny has to learn. Surely hes seen enough of the likes of Konchesky to know already he is dogsh'it?

yeah i agree.  He probably does know they're shi.te as well.   
But we were missing a lot of our better players the other night and with the Derby coming up, he probably tried to rest a few.

Maybe he won't be doing that again though  :D
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Postby Scottbot » Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:51 am

jacdaniel wrote:I don't think Kenny had much choice with Poulsen the other night.  Gerrard was suspended, Shelvey isnt really ready, Spearing isnt fit and Lucas probably needed some rest after running around so much against the Mancs.  (and with the Derby coming up).

Playing Jova was strange though.  Maybe he thought he'd give him a shot since Cole and Babel were out and he hasnt had many chances. 

Hopefully Kenny learns that Konchesky, Poulsen and Jovan should never play for us again.  Although he is gonna need Konchesky at times.

I was more perplexed by Mereilles to be honest. For me he can play one position and one position only and that's in the middle of the park. He's wasted on the right and he's wasted playing behind the front man. To the point of being completely ineffective in my eyes. He's got the skill to go out and run a game from centre-mid but play him in front of two defensive middies like Lucas and Poulsen and your attacking play will be stagnant at best. The only players who should ever play behind Torres are Gerrard, Cole, Kuyt, Pachecho and to a lesser extent Maxi.
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Postby eds » Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:18 pm

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jacdaniel wrote:I don't think Kenny had much choice with Poulsen the other night.  Gerrard was suspended, Shelvey isnt really ready, Spearing isnt fit and Lucas probably needed some rest after running around so much against the Mancs.  (and with the Derby coming up).

Playing Jova was strange though.  Maybe he thought he'd give him a shot since Cole and Babel were out and he hasnt had many chances. 

Hopefully Kenny learns that Konchesky, Poulsen and Jovan should never play for us again.  Although he is gonna need Konchesky at times.

I was more perplexed by Mereilles to be honest. For me he can play one position and one position and that's in the middle of the park. He's wasted on the right and he's wasted playing behind the front man. To the point of being completely ineffectiv ein my eyes. He's got the skill to go out and run a game from centre-mid but play him in front of two defensive middies like Lucas and Poulsen and your attacking play will be stagnant at best. The only players who should ever play behind Torres are Gerrard, Cole, Kuyt, Pachecho and to a lesser extent Maxi.

Agree with that.

Even in central-mid big Raul has been up and down this season, but playing him out of position when he has not had one decent performance outside center mid does raise a lot of questions?

As for Poultry dish being played against Blackpool I guess not a lot of it can be read into it unless Kenny plays him against the bitters. I will actually be a bit despotic if he does as its quite clear the lad is s.hi.t and should not be at the club in the first place.
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Postby Homebooby » Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:39 pm

akumaface wrote:
maguskwt wrote::laugh:

Kenny has been in charge for 1 training session and after a loss some of you lost faith in him already.

I don't know where we'll end up but I'll say this. Kenny will do much better than Roy and we won't be relegated.

Exactly. Thommo was defending Roy and said give him more time but now he is questioning Kenny after 2 games. Double standard i would say haha.

I think you're missing the point Thommo was making. If I read his posts correctly, he was questioning the wisdom of those who slagged those 2 players and thus Roy. The reasoning being that if collective wisdom on this board determines that KK knows his onions

Either those 2 are not sh1t
Perhaps KK is sh1t

Either way, in Thommos mind those he has been arguing against for the last months are defnitely full of sh1t and he's still looking to prove it.


I am not saying that this doesn't happen with everyone, but we really need to understand more that the written word can be interpreted in many ways. If everyone looks for the negative, we'll continue to have a board like the one that has become so familiar over the last yr or so. We all have to pull together and make the board better again.

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Postby Joeblackisachimp » Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:30 pm

I fear Kenny is going to get a rough ride as manager with the players we currently have, if he has to keep picking certain individuals.

from what I have seen from our performances and defeats, players i would not play again this season (and possibly offload now) with my reasons are;

Poulsen + Lucas :- They keep giving the ball away, have no ability to pass creatively/ put strikers in on goal, or lay good balls off down the wing, create no chances and can't shoot on target when going forward.

Meireles: has no creativity, cant create chances, can only pass side to side, is 'average' by todays standards, and is nowhere near the class of xabi Alonso.

Kuyt: can't cross the ball, always goes for goal and misses badly instead of putting in torres, can only play short passes, no creativity.

N'gog: scores the odd goal, but not worthy of polishing robbie fowlers boots, doesn't do a lot in posession of the ball, not a good team player/ partner for torres, reserve team class at best.

Kyriakos (cant spell name, sorry). not a good tackler, loses posession, gets skinned easily, prefer skrtel and agger.

Konchesky: (See above) + no pace.

those players i would not see again in a red shirt, as all the games I have seen this season, the above problems always cost us winning the game. you could sell them all tommorow and i would give two hoots. we keep playing them , we are gonna be in big trouble come april/ may.

My line up would be most games (if i was the boss):


                reina

Johnson  Agger   Carra     Aurelio

Jovanovic  Gerrard   babel

            Cole
                 Torres

Subs:  Skrtel
          Shelvey
          Kelly
          etc etc

that team every week and we will win more than we lose.







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Postby Thommo's perm » Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:31 pm

Homebooby wrote:
akumaface wrote:
maguskwt wrote::laugh:

Kenny has been in charge for 1 training session and after a loss some of you lost faith in him already.

I don't know where we'll end up but I'll say this. Kenny will do much better than Roy and we won't be relegated.

Exactly. Thommo was defending Roy and said give him more time but now he is questioning Kenny after 2 games. Double standard i would say haha.

I think you're missing the point Thommo was making. If I read his posts correctly, he was questioning the wisdom of those who slagged those 2 players and thus Roy. The reasoning being that if collective wisdom on this board determines that KK knows his onions

Either those 2 are not sh1t
Perhaps KK is sh1t

Either way, in Thommos mind those he has been arguing against for the last months are defnitely full of sh1t and he's still looking to prove it.


I am not saying that this doesn't happen with everyone, but we really need to understand more that the written word can be interpreted in many ways. If everyone looks for the negative, we'll continue to have a board like the one that has become so familiar over the last yr or so. We all have to pull together and make the board better again.

Come on peeps

Youre on the right lines there
The interesting thing for me is that KK picked these 2 because he wanted to, not because he had to.
Either you believe he knows what hes doing or you dont. Like someone said, if Hodgson would have picked them there would have been murder. The contradiction is there for everyone to see.
As far as people being full of sh'it and me trying to prove it, I would say that some of their opinions make sense and some absolutely dont, and the proof is there in black and white in their posts
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Postby Joeblackisachimp » Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:38 pm

i have the utter most faith in Kenny knows his onions.

in his first game he brought on babel after 55mins instead of the usual 80 mins with little time to do anything.

shows he knows babel can make a difference if given enogh time.
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Postby Thommo's perm » Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:43 pm

If KK turns Babel and Lucas into good (not great) players, for me he will be the greatest manager weve ever had
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Postby NANNY RED » Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:55 pm

Bootroom taking shape , looking good :;):

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Postby Thommo's perm » Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:59 pm

NANNY RED wrote:Bootroom taking shape , looking good :;):

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Take that before Robbie came back
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Postby NANNY RED » Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:01 pm

How brilliant does he look for his age though , brought a tear to my eye when i seen this pic.
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Postby NANNY RED » Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:24 pm

Kenny Dalglish addressed the world's media at Melwood today ahead of Sunday's Merseyside derby with Everton. Here's what the Liverpool boss had to say in full.

Will it be an emotional day for you on Sunday - first game back at Anfield?

Yes, it'll be emotional but so was last year's derby. This year I'll be a bit closer to the pitch. It's a fantastic occasion irrespective of the personalities involved. Walking up the steps again towards the dugout is something I'm really looking forward to.

Does the Merseyside derby still mean as much or has the Liverpool v Man Utd game superseded it?

Not for me. They say Manchester United v Liverpool is a derby but I don't see that - I see it as a competitive football match. A derby is best described as two teams from the same city playing each other. This is a city that can be very proud of the two clubs it's got and the way they've handled themselves over the years. They've not been as successful as everyone would have liked in recent years but they are still a great credit to the city, and when it was City of Culture here a couple of years ago it was fitting that football played a big part of it - because football in this city is culture. Both clubs will be equally determined to get a result but we're really looking forward to the game. We know how important it is for our players to get a positive result and we know how much it would lift the fans. Despite the fact there aren't as many local players or English players these days, I don't think that dilutes any of them knowing the importance of the game. But it's not just this game that's important for this football club - it's every game.

How do you go about restoring the players' self-belief?

To encourage them. Obviously we'll make mistakes and we'll try to correct them but the great thing the players have in their favour is that they are going to be the ones who dictate how quickly they get self-belief back. The best way to do it is to start winning matches. The sooner we do that, the quicker the confidence will come. There is a big difference between a lack of confidence and complacency. We just need a bit of confidence.

Didi Hamann said to us this morning that the loser on Sunday could get dragged into a relegation battle. Do you see this one game as being that crucial?

Didi has made that statement, why don't you ask him to justify it? We're going out to win game. Where it takes us at this moment in time isn't particularly relevant. It's where you are at the end of the season when you add up the points that's the most relevant thing. Every week there is a different story to be told.

Not for four seasons have both derbies gone without a red card. Is the balance between passion and not over stepping the mark - is that the key to success in a derby?

Nowadays if you say 'Good morning' to someone you've got a chance of getting a red card. It's a wee bit different to a few years ago. You can't blame players for being passionate and committed. They've been highly criticised for not being passionate and committed. If there is a bit of understanding from the officials I'm sure it would ease things along a wee bit.

What did you make of Ryan Babel being charged over the Twitter post?

I thought I answered that earlier in the week?

The charge came after...

Well we spoke about it before. He never drew it up. He just... I don't know, I might say the wrong word here. I'll just say he just forwarded it - is that right? [Smiles]

You're getting used to Twitter, aren't you?

No, only when she asks me for a cup of tea. No, Ryan has got to be responsible. If you're going to be on Twitter you've got to be responsible and you know the repercussions if you say or do something that's contentious. As I say, I think it was a bit tongue in cheek and it wasn't his creation, but he's apologised unreservedly to the referee. For me, I'm sure the club will take some action I would have thought and that should be finished with it.


The owners are coming over for the Merseyside derby - are you having talks with them and are there any new players on the agenda?

Well, it would be rude not to talk to them since they employ us! We'll be having a conversation. I don't know what will be on the agenda, but we'll be having a conversation. As I said to you the other day, I'm delighted with the players we have here and there is no movement one way or another about players.

There are reports today that you are looking at new players...

I've just told you there is no movement in any way, shape or form for any players. I don't know who has written what because I have not had time to look at the papers. But it must be true! [Laughs]

If you were to get a sizeable transfer budget for this month, do you think that would be a sign that they are looking at you long term?

We have not even had a conversation about it, so there is no way I am going to pre-judge anything that is going to happen because if no players come in, you'll say I'm getting my P45, so I can't win. We'll take it as it comes and as soon as we have anything to report to anybody then we won't be trying to keep any secrets or withhold any news that we think is beneficial and helpful to everybody. We're not trying to be obtrusive in any way, shape or form - it's just a fact.

How are you looking squad wise Kenny? Any other problems?

There's only Carra (injured), I think. There are a couple who are maybe a bit stiff, but there's only Carra.

You talked last week about trying to put a smile back on the players' faces. How big a job is that? Have you ever managed a group of players who are so short on confidence?

I've managed groups of players that have been worse than this, that's a certainty. As I said before, results will get them confidence. But also the way they work, the way they go about their training, and the way they've gone about both matches although they've not been positive. The second goal (against Blackpool) is something we can do to help ourselves, but I don't think they (the players) have had the benefit of too many fortuitous decisions either. Every team that has ever been successful has always needed a bit of good fortune - and we need a little bit of good fortune. But we've got to believe in ourselves and work hard enough to get that good fortune to turn our way.

Would this be the perfect occasion on which to get it?

Well certainly it would be fitting if we did get it and the only reason I'd say it would be perfect is because it's the next game up for them (the players). They've worked very hard in training.Their effort, dedication, commitment and desire to be successful is excellent. They've got to transmit that onto the pitch now. If it was to be a victory for us on Sunday then I suppose you would describe it as perfect - but then the season doesn't finish on Sunday.

But a derby win is not just any win...

A derby win would give them, the supporters of Liverpool and everybody a great lift, but would only still give us three points and we've got another game coming up the following week that we will want to get three points from too. We understand what the derby is all about, the people will hopefully understand we want to go and win it, but they've also got to understand it's three points.
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Postby dundreamin » Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:42 pm

He will turn it around. Hodgson said at begining of the season see were we are after 10 games F.UCKING BOTTOM 3. Lets see were we are after Kennys first 10 games IN KENNY I TRUST
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Postby SouthCoastShankly » Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:44 pm

Joeblackisachimp wrote:I fear Kenny is going to get a rough ride as manager with the players we currently have, if he has to keep picking certain individuals.

from what I have seen from our performances and defeats, players i would not play again this season (and possibly offload now) with my reasons are;

Poulsen + Lucas :- They keep giving the ball away, have no ability to pass creatively/ put strikers in on goal, or lay good balls off down the wing, create no chances and can't shoot on target when going forward.

Meireles: has no creativity, cant create chances, can only pass side to side, is 'average' by todays standards, and is nowhere near the class of xabi Alonso.

Kuyt: can't cross the ball, always goes for goal and misses badly instead of putting in torres, can only play short passes, no creativity.

N'gog: scores the odd goal, but not worthy of polishing robbie fowlers boots, doesn't do a lot in posession of the ball, not a good team player/ partner for torres, reserve team class at best.

Kyriakos (cant spell name, sorry). not a good tackler, loses posession, gets skinned easily, prefer skrtel and agger.

Konchesky: (See above) + no pace.

those players i would not see again in a red shirt, as all the games I have seen this season, the above problems always cost us winning the game. you could sell them all tommorow and i would give two hoots. we keep playing them , we are gonna be in big trouble come april/ may.

My line up would be most games (if i was the boss):


                reina

Johnson  Agger   Carra     Aurelio

Jovanovic  Gerrard   babel

            Cole
                 Torres

Subs:  Skrtel
          Shelvey
          Kelly
          etc etc

that team every week and we will win more than we lose.







:love:

That's why you'll never get taken seriously boy. Jovanovic...please.....

Also where is the defensive midfielder, don't say Gerrard either.

Lol FFS that has to be the sh!ttest line up ever. Haha
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