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by **Greavesie** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:38 pm

glenbuck patriot wrote:Classic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeqiLAM7ujA

you'll be celebrating famour draws to Utrecht in no time! haha

Buiness Integrity DVD by Tom Hicks

by **worcester_red** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:19 pm

J*o*n*D*o*e wrote:cheers for posting that Igor, if you read it with an open mind which some are reluctant to do alot of what he says does make sense.

ive said all along thats theres alot more to come out on what went on over the last couple of years.

Well hang on its hardly proof of anything. I think it was interesting, if very very slanted in rafa's favour, I refuse to believe doctors and medical staff would lie about Torres's fitness, that is extremely serious if true and they would loose their licenses etc. I also find the Crouch story a bit weird as Rafa clearly didn't rate or play him enough.
The fact that Twit and tw@t were arseh0les is hardly a revelation and neither is the fact that Stevie can be a bit of a pr1ck.

by **Zidane** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:21 pm

Responding to Igor's post, I believe it 100%. That post doesn't vindicate Rafa or make him seem like a god to me, he failed in his last season because he just snapped and lost the plot.. that was his biggest mistake in his tenure. To me it's understandable why he did finally lose it, but it cost us too much. And as for Stevie, I still don't see how people don't realize he isn't that good played as a CM, the media works wonders it seems. I've always said I never liked Gerrard as a captain and his personality/selfishness is something I have always frowned upon so anything like this coming out doesn't surprise me personally. Stevie's one and only downfall has always been his selfishness whether you wanna accept it or not and I firmly believe that we'd be better off if he were sold and replaced, as long as the replacement was a quality player. Buuut that's just me, I've always been critical of Steven because he could and should be so much more for us, especially in the past two seasons when we desperately needed cohesiveness and someone to bring us all together. He could have easily been the guy to put his foot down in the press or back Rafa or tell the lads to step up but he didn't do a single thing. Everyone would have followed him, too. Instead he divided an already split squad and pushed everyone further and further away, isolating himself as he always has.

by **zarababe** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:25 pm

7_Kewell wrote:
zarababe wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:
carmonkeycasino wrote:Unfortunately Hodgson is the victim of years of mistakes at LFC.

In part. He made a few huge mistakes himself and perhaps under estimated the huge task he had taken on.

Sadly, for Roy, who comes across as a nice bloke, he’s become the blame for all our on the field failings. The bottom line is the current squad isn't up to the job.

I think we’re heading for a 12-18 month period in the wilderness and I hope the next manager gets some support from our fans, otherwise we'll turn into the next Newcastle.

If he has gone - thank god..

But i truly feel sorry for him.. he took the reigns with glee and who wouldn't, but the job as many of us predicted was too big for him..

I pray whoever comes in can do something to restore us back to greatness, we are truly on a downer at the moment ..

I pray that the new guy is given time. He'll need it, and lots.

.. If he is worthy !

I Have to say I find all this excruciatingly emabrrasing for Roy and us all...

He has to go he seems to have accepted that too, but the indecision in the place is deeply disturbing and does little for NESV's reputation.

:no

by **roberto green** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:34 pm

Zidane wrote:Responding to Igor's post, I believe it 100%. That post doesn't vindicate Rafa or make him seem like a god to me, he failed in his last season because he just snapped and lost the plot.. that was his biggest mistake in his tenure. To me it's understandable why he did finally lose it, but it cost us too much. And as for Stevie, I still don't see how people don't realize he isn't that good played as a CM, the media works wonders it seems. I've always said I never liked Gerrard as a captain and his personality/selfishness is something I have always frowned upon so anything like this coming out doesn't surprise me personally. Stevie's one and only downfall has always been his selfishness whether you wanna accept it or not and I firmly believe that we'd be better off if he were sold and replaced, as long as the replacement was a quality player. Buuut that's just me, I've always been critical of Steven because he could and should be so much more for us, especially in the past two seasons when we desperately needed cohesiveness and someone to bring us all together. He could have easily been the guy to put his foot down in the press or back Rafa or tell the lads to step up but he didn't do a single thing. Everyone would have followed him, too. Instead he divided an already split squad and pushed everyone further and further away, isolating himself as he always has.

Totally agree mate, Rafa always said Stevie was/is to undisciplined to be in the centre of mid while you get all the sh1t house so called pundits, Andy Gray etc claming that's his best position.

by **Benny The Noon** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:38 pm

Ola Mr Benitez wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:As for current situation it seems Deschamps does want to come here and manage us but definately not until the summer due to the CL . He also wants to bring his own staff with him but wants to keep reserve manager and youth coaches .

I thought Deschamps had said he deffo does not want to leave his current club.

I think he could be a good manager for us, where have you heard that he wants to come?

Just rumours from a few people , one person who has always been in the know and has got plenty of things spot on before

by **Number 9** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:46 pm

It's getting beyond a joke now...he should have been gone long ago!! NESV can go and fu'ck too!

After all the horrors our great club has been through,we thought they had saved us from the other Yanks!Now they are just sitting and watching,keeping us in the dark and doing nothing while the club declines to depths that are gonna be hard to repair!

Rotten state of affairs and all very sad...we are a laughing stock,even the players have lost their pride!It's a horror story!!

by **Emerald Red** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:37 pm

worcester_red wrote:
J*o*n*D*o*e wrote:cheers for posting that Igor, if you read it with an open mind which some are reluctant to do alot of what he says does make sense.

ive said all along thats theres alot more to come out on what went on over the last couple of years.

Well hang on its hardly proof of anything. I think it was interesting, if very very slanted in rafa's favour, I refuse to believe doctors and medical staff would lie about Torres's fitness, that is extremely serious if true and they would loose their licenses etc. I also find the Crouch story a bit weird as Rafa clearly didn't rate or play him enough.
The fact that Twit and tw@t were arseh0les is hardly a revelation and neither is the fact that Stevie can be a bit of a pr1ck.

Remember our previous owners and the type of men they were. One phone call threatening their jobs is all it would take. That's not beyond the realms of believability, is it? The most shocking thing about the post is that everything mentioned is credible and holds up. It doesn't sound like wild speculation and ties into everything that went on and makes sense. Normally when someone is bullsh*ting on that kind of scale, something doesn't stick and the whole thing falls apart. I've not read one thing in there that sounds too fantastic to be true. One thing is certain, though: Rafa's autobiography is going to be interesting when it comes out.

by **Thommo's perm** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:46 pm

worcester_red wrote:Jackanory

Mmmm
I actually believe some of that.
The problem Ive got is making Benitez out to be the victim. So he wasnt in control and the board did things behind his back and foced him to do things he didnt want to do? Welcome to the world. Thats what happens at football clubs. I cant think of any club anywhere where the manager has carte blanche. Even scotch hole knows he cant do whatever he wants.
Benitez got caught up in a battle he couldnt win. He has done this in his last 3 jobs: Had disagreement with the board, went public, lost job. Its a pattern with him.
I am actually gutted he lost the plot and wish he would have concentrated on football instead.

by **Weallliveinaperrygrovesworld** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:47 pm

You lot are deluded thinking Rafa was blameless and believing that tripe LOL. It's great fiction, but fiction none the less. Liverpool played some of the most boring football in the premiership under Rafa, who made mistake after mistake, and now the club is reaping what was sowed in the past.

I swear, I weep for the future of LFC the way some of you will slag off any player, current or ex, or old managers or anyone who says something bad about the fat waiter. Look back over what you were all psoting 12 months ago about the bad signings and the poor poor boring football

by **Weallliveinaperrygrovesworld** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:54 pm

(Thought maybe someone should get this back to Roy, and it's me, anArsenal boy)

Roy Hodgson issues FA Cup rallying call to Liverpool

Beleaguered Liverpool boss Roy Hodgson has called on his team to show their true quality by knocking Manchester United out of the FA Cup on Sunday.

"It gives us a chance in a really high-profile game to put the bitter defeat against Blackburn behind us," he said.

"This game against our fiercest rivals gives us the chance to show we are better than we were on Wednesday."

Hodgson was speaking on liverpoolfc.tv after his scheduled news conference on Friday was cancelled by the club.

Anfield officials scrapped the media event in an attempt to head off further questions about their manager's future following a hugely disappointing season so far.

Liverpool are currently 12th in the Premier League and just four points off the relegation zone, with Hodgson winning just seven of his 20 league games in charge.

But he is hoping that a win at Old Trafford can be the catalyst for a major improvement.

"I don't think it's difficult to get the players focused on a team like Manchester United. I'll be preaching to the converted," he said.

"We've got quite an experienced bunch of players here and they know as well as I do how important this game is, in particular for the supporters who'd take enormous delight if we could knock Manchester United out of the Cup on their home ground.

"It would be a remarkable coup."

Having alienated many Liverpool fans with his comments after the home defeat by Wolves on 29 December, Hodgson was keen to show he empathises with their frustration.

"It's very painful when it's not happening and the fans make their views felt. We're all hurting in this situation," he added.

"It's very important the fans realise that we understand they have high hopes, expectations and ambitions for the club and the team.

"We have high hopes, expectations and ambitions as well. Every time we go on to the field we desperately want to see those dreams materialise and to produce the performances which bring you results."

by **LFC2007** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:59 pm

There isn't a shred of (reliable) evidence to back up any of the claims made in Igor's post; it relies inference alone. Those who believe all or any of it want to believe it because, amongst other things, it ties in with their own favourable view of Rafa; a view that seeks to absolve him from as much of the blame for the team's past failings as possible.

by **Bad Bob** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:03 pm

LFC2007 wrote:There isn't a shred of (reliable) evidence to back up any of the claims made in Igor's post; it relies inference alone. Those who believe all or any of it want to believe it because, amongst other things, it ties in with their own favourable view of Rafa; a view that seeks to absolve him from as much of the blame for the team's past failings as possible.

I 100% believed the bit where he said that Rafa f.ucked Alonso around, though. :down:

by **Benny The Noon** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:04 pm

LFC2007 wrote:There isn't a shred of (reliable) evidence to back up any of the claims made in Igor's post; it relies inference alone. Those who believe all or any of it want to believe it because, amongst other things, it ties in with their own favourable view of Rafa; a view that seeks to absolve him from as much of the blame for the team's past failings as possible.

Maybe the truth is more in the middle ground ?

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:07 pm

Weallliveinaperrygrovesworld wrote:"We have high hopes, expectations and ambitions as well. Every time we go on to the field we desperately want to see those dreams materialise and to produce the performances which bring you results."

Roys song

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