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by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Thu Jan 06, 2011 9:20 pm

Ciggy wrote:Get to feck the Fergie Wine club Gang

The LMA has, for some reason, chosen tonight to issue an "open letter to the media", pleading to owners to think twice before sacking managers, to set proper and reasonable objectives and measure management performance over a period of time, while offering full support and backing to allow the manager to perform

Fuck off !!!

Maybe the LMA and ex players that are imploring the owners to keep this clown... can start showing up at games to boost the ever shrinking crowd .....clueless CUNTS

by **whichisfair** » Thu Jan 06, 2011 9:23 pm

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:
whichisfair wrote:There is some truth in this. See, there may actually be rational justification for not pulling the trigger right now. Sure, they could install Kenny for the OT game, and he could inspire the lads to a big win. On the other hand, what are the chances that he (or someone else) comes in, the team gets creamed by the Mancs, and the unrest starts all over again.

And this talk about relegation is frankly ridiculous. For illustrative purposes its fine to complain that we are closer to the relegation zone than the top four, but seriously...we're not getting relegated, that's just alarmism at its worst. Let's thank our lucky stars that some of the posters around here aren't in charge of the club. I'll take cool and calm deliberation over reactionary shoot-first-ask-questions-later execs.

Yes.... lets all thank our lucky stars that certain posters aren't the custodians of this great club ,because that would mean they would possibly stick with this fool until the last of the supporters that follow the Reds dissipate completely ....surely even an untrained eye can see how the dwindling crowd would be detrimental to the club ...I mean how many posters who advocate giving Hodgson more time really have the best interests of the club at heart ..... every minute he spends at this club is a another minute dismantling the legendary ethos that used to surround Anfield .... but then maybe that's precisely where the problem lies ...in exactly how many posters are willing to forget ....forget how singing and chanting the word Liverpool really felt ...how Kenny used to make us feel ....how the pride swelled in our collective chests ,how the thought of travelling to an opponents ground never left us breaking out in a cold sweat the night before .... how the arrogance of knowing we would hit back with a vengeance like a prize fighter after a defeat .....Yes we had players willing to run through brick walls .....but we also had Great Managers who would give them the belief they could perform miracles ...we had managers who would make us fans feel ten ft tall even after a defeat .....we had managers we believed in ...
has everyone forgot how Kenny gave us all those things ,the man would sooner cut his own throat than discredit this club ...... maybe people need to remember this..... ?

Hmmm...I can't say I really disagree with you and in fact I would like Hodgson to be sacked ASAP.

My only point is that people are having aneurysms about the timing, which I feel is not really all that important. I'd like him to have been sacked today, but if it's tomorrow, next week, even the end of the season, I don't think its going to make a huge difference. I would argue that the drop in attendance is a disgrace to the fans as much as it is to Roy. We shouldn't withhold support from a guy who is clearly giving his best, even if its not good enough.

I would also agree that Roy has appeared fairly inept in his post-match statements and in his interaction with the media in general, which is part of the reason he should be sacked. But I find it hard to believe that he is unaware of the glorious history of this club, and so I put his mistakes down to ineptitude, not a disdain for the Kop or for the club or its history.

The point I've tried to reiterate over and over today is that Roy staying on for a few more weeks is absolutely not going to erase the stature of the club, that's just foolish alarmism. NESV/FSG are aware of the club's history and where it should be, so I'm confident they'll make the right move. I'll leave it to them to decide when the precise moment is to make that move. Until then I hope Roy wins every game for which he is in charge.

by **NANNY RED** » Thu Jan 06, 2011 9:37 pm

lakes10 wrote:has anyone heard this one.
Liverpool have been in talks all day with all players, staff and manager to see how the club can start getting the results needed.
all players have BACKED the manager.

this was posted on another forum.
if true it looks like Roy will be staying at the club.

on the otherside Sky seem sure he is about to be sacked.

i thought they at least could of waited for Kenny to get back off his holidays to have a meeting like that, give his opionion like :;):

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Thu Jan 06, 2011 9:39 pm

whichisfair wrote:I would argue that the drop in attendance is a disgrace to the fans as much as it is to Roy. We shouldn't withhold support from a guy who is clearly giving his best, even if its not good enough.

See that's exactly where your argument falls flat ,you try giving the same speech to the travelling faithful that turn up 4000 strong to away games .... Hodgson has had the fans backing and he merits exactly the support he was afforded ....
I take it you've decided to still attend games ,and not decided to vote with your feet .... seen as you feel qualified to offer your opinion on those who feel that drastic measures needed to be taken ,and thus have subsequently withdrawn theirs ?

by **tubby** » Thu Jan 06, 2011 9:43 pm

NANNY RED wrote:
lakes10 wrote:has anyone heard this one.
Liverpool have been in talks all day with all players, staff and manager to see how the club can start getting the results needed.
all players have BACKED the manager.

this was posted on another forum.
if true it looks like Roy will be staying at the club.

on the otherside Sky seem sure he is about to be sacked.

i thought they at least could of waited for Kenny to get back off his holidays to have a meeting like that, give his opionion like

Spot on!

More newsroom :censored:

from BBC Five live...

Lakes you know they make half that :censored:

up just to get people tweeting and calling in.

by **whichisfair** » Thu Jan 06, 2011 9:51 pm

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:
whichisfair wrote:I would argue that the drop in attendance is a disgrace to the fans as much as it is to Roy. We shouldn't withhold support from a guy who is clearly giving his best, even if its not good enough.

See that's exactly where your argument falls flat ,you try giving the same speech to the travelling faithful that turn up 4000 strong to away games .... Hodgson has had the fans backing and he merits exactly the support he was afforded ....
I take it you've decided to still attend games ,and not decided to vote with your feet .... seen as you feel qualified to offer your opinion on those who feel that drastic measures needed to be taken ,and thus have subsequently withdrawn theirs ?

I'm one of the many who would give anything to be in the shoes of those people who have the opportunity to attend games on a regular basis. Unfortunately, living in Canada, that's a bit tough. I suppose this disqualifies my opinion, trumping logic and reason.

There are lots of other people like me, who never miss a game but can't realistically be there in person. Maybe those who are staying away are taking their opportunity to be a part of this great club for granted for the sake of kicking an old man while he's down.

I'll say it again. He is GOING TO BE SACKED. If you think NESV are the type of people who are going to panic and let the timing be dictated by reactionary fans then you are sorely mistaken. The wheels are in motion, and this drama that you and other fans are creating neither helps the club move forward, nor is it particularly intelligent.

On the other hand, yanks out! Let's see who will want to touch the club with a ten foot pole after we oust NESV for their lack of "bollox".

by **red till i die!!** » Thu Jan 06, 2011 9:56 pm

lakes10 wrote:has anyone heard this one.
Liverpool have been in talks all day with all players, staff and manager to see how the club can start getting the results needed.
all players have BACKED the manager.

this was posted on another forum.
if true it looks like Roy will be staying at the club.

on the otherside Sky seem sure he is about to be sacked.

even though your post starts like its a joke i kinda agree with you here.
something needs to happen and if nesv arent willing to relieve him now then im glad they ordered everyone to sit down and thrash this out.
if we are going to get results then he needs the backing of all the players,even though it looked last night he hadnt.
johnson doesent give a :censored:

and agger looked right p1ssed off at being thrown on at 2 down and in fairness the only one that looked interested was gerrard and he tried too hard.
hodgson needs to take a long hard look at himself too,ditch the small club mentality,sort out tactics and stop saying its everyones fault except his.

by **Dundalk** » Thu Jan 06, 2011 10:01 pm

HODGSONS HISTORY

by **metalhead** » Thu Jan 06, 2011 10:10 pm

Dundalk wrote:HODGSONS HISTORY

by **Number 9** » Thu Jan 06, 2011 10:13 pm

He better go within the next day or so or I'm gonna go over and kill him myself!! :angry:

by **Tophatman** » Thu Jan 06, 2011 10:19 pm

Number 9 wrote:He better go within the next day or so or I'm gonna go over and kill him myself!!

get a life will ya

by **Thommo's perm** » Thu Jan 06, 2011 10:21 pm

whichisfair wrote:
RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:
whichisfair wrote:I would argue that the drop in attendance is a disgrace to the fans as much as it is to Roy. We shouldn't withhold support from a guy who is clearly giving his best, even if its not good enough.

See that's exactly where your argument falls flat ,you try giving the same speech to the travelling faithful that turn up 4000 strong to away games .... Hodgson has had the fans backing and he merits exactly the support he was afforded ....
I take it you've decided to still attend games ,and not decided to vote with your feet .... seen as you feel qualified to offer your opinion on those who feel that drastic measures needed to be taken ,and thus have subsequently withdrawn theirs ?

I'm one of the many who would give anything to be in the shoes of those people who have the opportunity to attend games on a regular basis. Unfortunately, living in Canada, that's a bit tough. I suppose this disqualifies my opinion, trumping logic and reason.

There are lots of other people like me, who never miss a game but can't realistically be there in person. Maybe those who are staying away are taking their opportunity to be a part of this great club for granted for the sake of kicking an old man while he's down.

I'll say it again. He is GOING TO BE SACKED. If you think NESV are the type of people who are going to panic and let the timing be dictated by reactionary fans then you are sorely mistaken. The wheels are in motion, and this drama that you and other fans are creating neither helps the club move forward, nor is it particularly intelligent.

On the other hand, yanks out! Let's see who will want to touch the club with a ten foot pole after we oust NESV for their lack of "bollox".

Some excellent posting today mate
Welcome aboard

by **Ciggy** » Thu Jan 06, 2011 10:37 pm

Feck off !!!

LMA wants appraisal system
Bevan voices concerns over 'chronic short-termism' in football

..The League Managers Association has suggested that a club appraisal system and a process of written warnings could be a solution to the trend of 'short-termism' in English football.

Seven Football League bosses have lost their job in the last week, while sack speculation is raging over the future of Chelsea's Carlo Ancelotti, Liverpool's Roy Hodgson, Aston Villa's Gerard Houllier and West Ham's Avram Grant.

LMA chief executive Richard Bevan has therefore decided to release an open letter of criticism for the current situation and he has suggested that clubs should follow a system of regular internal assessments.

Bevan said: "No-one is saying that a club should never change manager. The football context changes over time, the circumstances of individual football clubs alter, the goals of employer and employee may no longer match.

"In this unfortunate circumstance, it would seem most sensible for both sides if lessons were adopted from the broader field of human resources to handle this type of situation. Football managers might, for example, like any other type of manager, have regular appraisals.

Hiring and firing
"In these, the strengths and weaknesses of how the football side of the club is performing might be assessed against realistic expectations and previously, mutually agreed goals.

"Should the performance of a manager not match up to the agreed goals, or be judged unsatisfactory on appraisal, then a due process of verbal, followed by a written warning is the correct procedure, before ever reaching the final step of dismissal."

Bevan also believes that a hiring and firing routine does not improve the performance of clubs.

He said: "The figures actually serve to highlight the continued chronic short-termism in football manager employment.

"Statistical evidence suggests that the gains from changing football managers are marginal, if indeed there are any at all, and without doubt the sacking of managers is a costly business to football clubs."

by **Dundalk** » Thu Jan 06, 2011 10:42 pm

Roy will be holding his press conference as planned tomorrow at 1.30

by **Ciggy** » Thu Jan 06, 2011 10:44 pm

marinadalglish# Marina Dalglish
Gulf of Oman but moving!

hopefully back to airport.

Hurry up back Kenny we need you for sunday.

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