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by **Ben Patrick** » Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:04 pm

Emerald Red wrote:For what it's worth, I personally wouldn't give Aldo any stick, but I do think he's made a complete tw@t out of himself with recent behaviour and opinions. It shows a complete lack of respect to those that campaigned against the Yank owners to get them gone. It's almost as if he's absolved those two of any guilt whatsoever.

fair enough.

I wouldnt mind seeing some proper quotes if that's the case.

by **Emerald Red** » Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:06 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:yes i have.

And there are plenty that feel Rafa played a huge part in our decline.
I havent seen anyone say that he is the ONLY reason though.
Its typical OTT jumping on people who dare to criticise Rafa.

I wouldn't say Benitez played a "huge part" of our decline, as much as he was responsible for building up our expectations in recent years by putting us back on the map again and actually being in our corner when everything seemed to be against us. That's just me. Rafa made big mistakes that led to a very bad season. However, some people do tend to distort that by writing their own version of history. If Rafa had left in 2007, I dare say everyone, or most, would be calling for the man's name now to take over from the imposter we have running us these days.

by **Ben Patrick** » Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:11 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:yes i have.

And there are plenty that feel Rafa played a huge part in our decline.
I havent seen anyone say that he is the ONLY reason though.
Its typical OTT jumping on people who dare to criticise Rafa.

I wouldn't say Benitez played a "huge part" of our decline, as much as he was responsible for building up our expectations in recent years by putting us back on the map again and actually being in our corner when everything seemed to be against us. That's just me. Rafa made big mistakes that led to a very bad season. However, some people do tend to distort that by writing their own version of history. If Rafa had left in 2007, I dare say everyone, or most, would be calling for the man's name now to take over from the imposter we have running us these days.

but he didnt leave then.
By the time he had left we were in decline and with a squad that was weak in key areas despite having a massive turnover of players.
His big money signings since then have been catastrophic as well.
We did go close-ish and then it all went horribly wrong and he lost the plot for me.

I agree that Hodgson isnt good enough but genuinely wouldnt go anywhere near bringing Rafa back.
Going to the press again this week wasnt great either. He has done it consistently and to think we used to say we didnt want our club being all over the papers like a soap opera ?
Now it seems its ok if Rafa does it.
Why didnt he speak privately to Moratti about being backed or sacked ?

by **LFC2007** » Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:20 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:For what it's worth, I personally wouldn't give Aldo any stick, but I do think he's made a complete tw@t out of himself with recent behaviour and opinions. It shows a complete lack of respect to those that campaigned against the Yank owners to get them gone. It's almost as if he's absolved those two of any guilt whatsoever.

fair enough.

I wouldnt mind seeing some proper quotes if that's the case.

So would I, mate. I can't imagine there would be many who think all of our current problems are squarely down to the previous manager. There are, though, quite a few who think his bad management played a major role in our decline on the pitch, and quite justifiably so.

by **Ben Patrick** » Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:25 pm

LFC2007 wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:For what it's worth, I personally wouldn't give Aldo any stick, but I do think he's made a complete tw@t out of himself with recent behaviour and opinions. It shows a complete lack of respect to those that campaigned against the Yank owners to get them gone. It's almost as if he's absolved those two of any guilt whatsoever.

fair enough.

I wouldnt mind seeing some proper quotes if that's the case.

So would I, mate. I can't imagine there would be many who think all of our current problems are squarely down to the previous manager. There are, though, quite a few who think his bad management played a major role in our decline on the pitch, and quite justifiably so.

i very much doubt aldo has said ALL of our problems are because of Rafa.
People over exaggerate to try and make a point, but by the sounds of things here all he is guilty of is stating to me the obvious.
Rafa needed to go and shouldnt be considered for a return.

by **Thommo's perm** » Wed Dec 22, 2010 9:25 pm

"There is one point that all should be able to agree on, though, including Benitez himself. The biggest mistake he made this year, these 12 months he will long to forget, was agreeing to succeed Jose Mourinho in June. As one of his staff at San Siro remarked, the Inter job was “un caramello avellenato.” A poisoned sweet. Tasty from the outside, rotten at the core.

Being appointed manager of the most successful club side in the world may appear a sinecure, a matter simply of keeping things ticking over, but Inter, as of the end of the Champions League final seven months ago, were a side built for the past. Most of their first XI, the Mourinho stalwarts, were past their prime, exhausted from producing one final push to further the mystique surrounding the Portuguese. Massimo Moratti, Inter’s owner, was tired of spending money after 15 years of profligate dreaming. The club was sated. There was no hunger left. Into the end of the banquet walked Benitez, entirely famished. It was never likely to work."

OK If that is true, and weve no reason to doubt it, the what type of a man would take on a job like that? What type of person would believe that they could make these "past their prime" players hungry again? Who would arrogantly think they were magnificent enough to take over from mourhino and make the "poisoned sweet" a dish to set before a king? Who would refuse to listen to anyones advice and think they had the knowledge, the skill and the power to do the impossible?
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you...

by **lakes10** » Wed Dec 22, 2010 9:57 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:anyone on twitter know anything about what happened with Aldo getting loads of sh!t of Liverpool supporters for saying he doesnt think Rafa coming back is a goo idea ?

Aldo has done a complete u-turn lately which is embarrassing. He went from absolute Rafa zealot, to one of those "oh, all of Liverpool's problems of late are all of Rafa's fault" drivel peddling media pundits. He's getting stick because he's turned into Ronnie Whelan et al.

his not the only ex player to now taking shots at Rafa , John Barns has done it, ian rush, Mascherano, Jamie Redknapp(u turn)Sami Hyypiä to name just a few, the media seemed to have been calling all the ex players this week to see ow they would stand on Rafa coming back or what sort of state did Rafa leave liverpool FC in.

by **stmichael** » Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:39 pm

lakes10 wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:anyone on twitter know anything about what happened with Aldo getting loads of sh!t of Liverpool supporters for saying he doesnt think Rafa coming back is a goo idea ?

Aldo has done a complete u-turn lately which is embarrassing. He went from absolute Rafa zealot, to one of those "oh, all of Liverpool's problems of late are all of Rafa's fault" drivel peddling media pundits. He's getting stick because he's turned into Ronnie Whelan et al.

his not the only ex player to now taking shots at Rafa , John Barns has done it, ian rush, Mascherano, Jamie Redknapp(u turn)Sami Hyypiä to name just a few, the media seemed to have been calling all the ex players this week to see ow they would stand on Rafa coming back or what sort of state did Rafa leave liverpool FC in.

the thought of whelan and barnes slating rafa is quite frankly hilarious. these are the guy's who failed at swindon and tranmere respectively.

by **Ben Patrick** » Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:49 pm

stmichael wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:anyone on twitter know anything about what happened with Aldo getting loads of sh!t of Liverpool supporters for saying he doesnt think Rafa coming back is a goo idea ?

Aldo has done a complete u-turn lately which is embarrassing. He went from absolute Rafa zealot, to one of those "oh, all of Liverpool's problems of late are all of Rafa's fault" drivel peddling media pundits. He's getting stick because he's turned into Ronnie Whelan et al.

his not the only ex player to now taking shots at Rafa , John Barns has done it, ian rush, Mascherano, Jamie Redknapp(u turn)Sami Hyypiä to name just a few, the media seemed to have been calling all the ex players this week to see ow they would stand on Rafa coming back or what sort of state did Rafa leave liverpool FC in.

the thought of whelan and barnes slating rafa is quite frankly hilarious. these are the guy's who failed at swindon and tranmere respectively.

so they cant see another person failing ?

there's no denying they did, but that doesnt mean they cant see something not going right elsewhere.

by **Ben Patrick** » Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:51 pm

just as an add on. Why would our ex players criticise for no apparant reason ?
Are they not just frustrated ?
Whelan gets slaughtered and won medal after medal even captaining us to trophies.
Barnes was here years and one of our best players in one of our best sides, winning medal after medal.
Aldridge ditto.

But if they criticise Rafa its not on ?

This is what i just dont get.

by **metalhead** » Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:56 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:anyone on twitter know anything about what happened with Aldo getting loads of sh!t of Liverpool supporters for saying he doesnt think Rafa coming back is a goo idea ?

Aldo has done a complete u-turn lately which is embarrassing. He went from absolute Rafa zealot, to one of those "oh, all of Liverpool's problems of late are all of Rafa's fault" drivel peddling media pundits. He's getting stick because he's turned into Ronnie Whelan et al.

i havent heard his comments so its difficult to defend or offer an opinion.
What i will say is it is possible for someone over a period of time to form a completely different opinion of someone.
Especially with the speed of our demise in that last season under Rafa.
I feel a lot of our problems now are Rafa's fault through poor management and decision making.
If Aldo (an LFC playing legend) has said something similar and getting a shed load of abuse then it just shows how warped people can be when defending Rafa.
It genuinely is mystifying and its so hard to understand the grip Rafa has over people still

If Kenny comes out and says bringing Rafa back is a bad idea, will people crucify him for voicing an opinion?

maybe

It seems that Rafa is untouchable and can't be criticised

by **Ben Patrick** » Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:03 pm

metalhead wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:anyone on twitter know anything about what happened with Aldo getting loads of sh!t of Liverpool supporters for saying he doesnt think Rafa coming back is a goo idea ?

Aldo has done a complete u-turn lately which is embarrassing. He went from absolute Rafa zealot, to one of those "oh, all of Liverpool's problems of late are all of Rafa's fault" drivel peddling media pundits. He's getting stick because he's turned into Ronnie Whelan et al.

i havent heard his comments so its difficult to defend or offer an opinion.
What i will say is it is possible for someone over a period of time to form a completely different opinion of someone.
Especially with the speed of our demise in that last season under Rafa.
I feel a lot of our problems now are Rafa's fault through poor management and decision making.
If Aldo (an LFC playing legend) has said something similar and getting a shed load of abuse then it just shows how warped people can be when defending Rafa.
It genuinely is mystifying and its so hard to understand the grip Rafa has over people still

If Kenny comes out and says bringing Rafa back is a bad idea, will people crucify him for voicing an opinion?

maybe

It seems that Rafa is untouchable and can't be criticised

honestly some will.
Rush, Barnes, Whelan and many others have been critical and most have been slagged by our own :no

by **Thommo's perm** » Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:09 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:just as an add on. Why would our ex players criticise for no apparant reason ?
Are they not just frustrated ?
Whelan gets slaughtered and won medal after medal even captaining us to trophies.
Barnes was here years and one of our best players in one of our best sides, winning medal after medal.
Aldridge ditto.

But if they criticise Rafa its not on ?

This is what i just dont get.

Because anyone who slags Benitez off is slagging the club and therefore us, the supporters
Anyone who slags Roy is slagging him, twit and tw@t and Purslowe, i.e. NOT the club

by **stmichael** » Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:11 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:just as an add on. Why would our ex players criticise for no apparant reason ?
Are they not just frustrated ?
Whelan gets slaughtered and won medal after medal even captaining us to trophies.
Barnes was here years and one of our best players in one of our best sides, winning medal after medal.
Aldridge ditto.

But if they criticise Rafa its not on ?

This is what i just dont get.

they can criticise all they want if they actually state facts and speak sense. whelan was criticising rafa when we'd just reached a second champions league final in three seasons ffs let alone the last 12 months when things went downhill. he also kept banging on about rafa having spent £300m which is a load of bull but we won't get into that argument again. in the end i just felt he was saying these things to gain publicity. lawrenson the same. gets paid a fortune as a pundit but you can tell he has no way near the same love for the club as some other ex-players.

it disappoints me even more when the likes of phil neal and alan kennedy come out and support the idea of a groundshare.

by **Ben Patrick** » Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:16 pm

stmichael wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:just as an add on. Why would our ex players criticise for no apparant reason ?
Are they not just frustrated ?
Whelan gets slaughtered and won medal after medal even captaining us to trophies.
Barnes was here years and one of our best players in one of our best sides, winning medal after medal.
Aldridge ditto.

But if they criticise Rafa its not on ?

This is what i just dont get.

they can criticise all they want if they actually state facts and speak sense. whelan was criticising rafa when we'd just reached a second champions league final in three seasons ffs let alone the last 12 months when things went downhill. he also kept banging on about rafa having spent £300m which is a load of bull but we won't get into that argument again. in the end i just felt he was saying these things to gain publicity. lawrenson the same. gets paid a fortune as a pundit but you can tell he has no way near the same love for the club as some other ex-players.

it disappoints me even more when the likes of phil neal and alan kennedy come out and support the idea of a groundshare.

so is there any ex players that we are ok with

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