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by **Ring-of-Fire** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 7:06 pm

How many "big names" have Arsenal got? Or Manure, for that matter? No-one has a team full of big names except for Barca and Real Madrid, and even then I bet hardly anyone can name their starting 11 without looking.

The scum are using such dross as Rafael, Carrick, Fletcher, Nani, Anderson and Park. I'm pretty sure their inbred supporters will be bemoaning their quality just as much as we do ours. (Ooooh, Carrick's not fit to lace Scholes' boots, Nani isn't a patch on Ronaldo, Park couldn't trap a bag of cement - unlike Giggs, Anderson couldn't pass his handbag to Keane, etc, etc, etc.)

We're not alone in having team players and small names. The problem comes when we buy sh!te like Poulsen (who I thought would have been a reasonable player, actually - obviously not) and Konchesky (who every man and his dog could see was going to be a pile of horse pat from the word go). We sold Insua - who would only have improved - for someone who is worse, will only decline and has no re-sale value whatsoever. (Letting a couple of starlets go in the process.) Not only that, but due to his age, Insua would have counted in the "home grown" catagory, so that was not an excuse, either.

It's decisions like this which have perhaps got Nando, Stevie and Carra thinking "WTF is going on here?". That, and the fact that Roy looks more deluded every single game. I don't want to insult the bloke, as it's wrong - just like insulting Rafa is/was. But I won't pretend that he is the right bloke for the job, and the longer he is here, the worse it will get. We will hit the floor sooner or later; the plateux that no manager could go below no matter how poorly planned his strategies become with the players at his disposal. Whether that's in this division or 1 below - who knows? I will be shocked if we finish 7th or above this year. I think we're heading for 9th or below, tbh.

The players can see it, too. THAT'S why they're not responding to Roy's dated, hoofing tactics, imho.

by **lakes10** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:34 pm

NANNY RED wrote:
lakes10 wrote:[quote=......

we are stuck in the same form as we was last year. is it down to the skill set of the players?
is the lack of skill in the players around Torres bring him down to their level?

would a few new player make him pick up his game?

or is he just fed up with english football?

Roy THIS rOY THAT, SORRY THAT DONT WAH WITH ME,

we as a club have not moved on from last year, in truth he is using almost the same team as last year and getting about the same same results, our away form last year was and its this year.

time to face facts, we dont have many good players at our club and when we have a few off sick ....its shows.

So let me ask you this Lakes if your not blaming Roy and your saying Fernando this an that, last season he was destoyed by injury and yet managed to score 18 goals in 22 games, this season he has managed to score 5 goals in 16 games with 1 away goal, So who are you blaming theres your stats,[/quote]
Nan, Torres was lucky to make it to the world cup, yes he was out for sometime but things were clear that his mind wa not in the game,

the we had the world cup.....he had a shocker, in fact he looked just like the player we saw the other night in the Toons game.

oh to point out to the member why did we have a pop at Rafa when he tooktorres off last year......well that was when the player still had confidence and was getting goals all the time.

Torres is not the only player that is not stepping up to the plate but as we all know how good he can be it just stands out more.

by **tubby** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:40 pm

lakes10 wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:
lakes10 wrote:[quote=......

we are stuck in the same form as we was last year. is it down to the skill set of the players?
is the lack of skill in the players around Torres bring him down to their level?

would a few new player make him pick up his game?

or is he just fed up with english football?

Roy THIS rOY THAT, SORRY THAT DONT WAH WITH ME,

we as a club have not moved on from last year, in truth he is using almost the same team as last year and getting about the same same results, our away form last year was and its this year.

time to face facts, we dont have many good players at our club and when we have a few off sick ....its shows.

So let me ask you this Lakes if your not blaming Roy and your saying Fernando this an that, last season he was destoyed by injury and yet managed to score 18 goals in 22 games, this season he has managed to score 5 goals in 16 games with 1 away goal, So who are you blaming theres your stats,

Nan, Torres was lucky to make it to the world cup, yes he was out for sometime but things were clear that his mind wa not in the game,

the we had the world cup.....he had a shocker, in fact he looked just like the player we saw the other night in the Toons game.

oh to point out to the member why did we have a pop at Rafa when he tooktorres off last year......well that was when the player still had confidence and was getting goals all the time.

Torres is not the only player that is not stepping up to the plate but as we all know how good he can be it just stands out more.[/quote]
Have you ever considered maybe he doesn't feel he is able to up his game under Roy? It seems you are blaming every other possible reason without evening giving any consideration to that one.

Torres has always been moody at times, and the next week he scores a cracker. Thing is we are not playing as much as pressing unit as we did last season or before that even which means Torres doesn't get as many chances on goal = less goals and a more moody striker.

Roy needs to learn to play to the squads strengths instead of playing with some balls occasionally only to resort to hoof tactics a week later.

by **lakes10** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:45 pm

Bav mate we all know Roy is not the best manager in the world, buy Roy was not the manager of spain during the world cup and Torres looked just as poor then.

yes he is a moody player but right now he needs to pick up his socks, giving the ball away like he has been doing has nothingto do with who your manager is.

as i have said before, he looks like he has no balance.

by **rocky29** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:46 pm

where is the pressure on players to perform. Once they sign that long term contract what can a manager do to make that player try harder if he doesnt want to FECKALL. When your in your day job you know how much you can push it without taking the p!iss. You get a couple of warnings for not pulling your weight then your out. Do u really think nando doesnt know what a powerful position he is in?

by **tubby** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:55 pm

lakes10 wrote:Bav mate we all know Roy is not the best manager in the world, buy Roy was not the manager of spain during the world cup and Torres looked just as poor then.

yes he is a moody player but right now he needs to pick up his socks, giving the ball away like he has been doing has nothingto do with who your manager is.

as i have said before, he looks like he has no balance.

Listen mate Torres always plays shyte for Spain when Villa is playing as the system they employ means he doesn't get in as much as he would like. He plays at his best for Spain when Villa isn't playing so let's not start jumping to conclusions.

I think he was probably hoping for us to bring better quality players than Konchesky or Poulsen too. He's been saying for a while we need to be competitive in the transfer market if we want to keep pace with the teams above us and it hasn't happened yet. I think we will get in a few decent ones in the next 2 transfer windows but we need a proper manager who can play them too.

Get in a real manager.

by **tubby** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:56 pm

rocky29 wrote:where is the pressure on players to perform. Once they sign that long term contract what can a manager do to make that player try harder if he doesnt want to FECKALL. When your in your day job you know how much you can push it without taking the p!iss. You get a couple of warnings for not pulling your weight then your out. Do u really think nando doesnt know what a powerful position he is in?

That's where the managers ability to motivate his players comes into play. If you just sit there in your chair rubbing your face and nodding off then what do you expect to happen.

by **Ring-of-Fire** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:11 pm

lakes10 wrote:Bav mate we all know Roy is not the best manager in the world, buy Roy was not the manager of spain during the world cup and Torres looked just as poor then.

yes he is a moody player but right now he needs to pick up his socks, giving the ball away like he has been doing has nothingto do with who your manager is.

as i have said before, he looks like he has no balance.

Torres was clearly unfit at the World Cup and shouldn't have been taken. The fact he was indicates just how big a player he is for Spain and how highly they regard him.

by **lakes10** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:20 pm

bavlondon wrote:
rocky29 wrote:where is the pressure on players to perform. Once they sign that long term contract what can a manager do to make that player try harder if he doesnt want to FECKALL. When your in your day job you know how much you can push it without taking the p!iss. You get a couple of warnings for not pulling your weight then your out. Do u really think nando doesnt know what a powerful position he is in?

That's where the managers ability to motivate his players comes into play. If you just sit there in your chair rubbing your face and nodding off then what do you expect to happen.

funny how you spent most of last year saying you could not blame the manager for the the way the players were playing but this year you are now saying you can blame the manager pmsl.......and yes mate there are a lot of you post where you did say that.

look come on most of us agree thatRoy is not the person we think should have got te job.....but he has ad he is our manager. it loks like the owners are going to give him some money to build a team, so lets see what happensthen

by **Ring-of-Fire** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:24 pm

lakes10 wrote:
bavlondon wrote:
rocky29 wrote:where is the pressure on players to perform. Once they sign that long term contract what can a manager do to make that player try harder if he doesnt want to FECKALL. When your in your day job you know how much you can push it without taking the p!iss. You get a couple of warnings for not pulling your weight then your out. Do u really think nando doesnt know what a powerful position he is in?

That's where the managers ability to motivate his players comes into play. If you just sit there in your chair rubbing your face and nodding off then what do you expect to happen.

funny how you spent most of last year saying you could not blame the manager for the the way the players were playing but this year you are now saying you can blame the manager pmsl.......and yes mate there are a lot of you post where you did say that.

look come on most of us agree thatRoy is not the person we think should have got te job.....but he has ad he is our manager. it loks like the owners are going to give him some money to build a team, so lets see what happensthen

Whereas you and your cronies weren't blaming Rafa at all... :oops:

by **Number 9** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:42 pm

Skrtel,Rodriguez and Koncheski are probably 3 of our most inconsistant and liable for our bad form players at the club!......Wise up lakes! :no

by **lakes10** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:59 pm

Number 9 wrote:Skrtel,Rodriguez and Koncheski are probably 3 of our most inconsistant and liable for our bad form players at the club!......Wise up lakes!

yes and they are some of the main names in our team......shows how poor our team is dont it.

by **lakes10** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:05 pm

Ring-of-Fire wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
bavlondon wrote:
rocky29 wrote:where is the pressure on players to perform. Once they sign that long term contract what can a manager do to make that player try harder if he doesnt want to FECKALL. When your in your day job you know how much you can push it without taking the p!iss. You get a couple of warnings for not pulling your weight then your out. Do u really think nando doesnt know what a powerful position he is in?

That's where the managers ability to motivate his players comes into play. If you just sit there in your chair rubbing your face and nodding off then what do you expect to happen.

funny how you spent most of last year saying you could not blame the manager for the the way the players were playing but this year you are now saying you can blame the manager pmsl.......and yes mate there are a lot of you post where you did say that.

look come on most of us agree thatRoy is not the person we think should have got te job.....but he has ad he is our manager. it loks like the owners are going to give him some money to build a team, so lets see what happensthen

Whereas you and your cronies weren't blaming Rafa at all...

no for me Rafa was never the right person for he club, i did not wish to see our club turned into a club that only would be good in the CL.

we lost lot of points in the prem due to him resting key players for he next CL game.

i id not agree with him having total control on what players he took to our club and the youth set up.

and as he did we are left in my view with a weak first, 2nd team.

and apart from a few odd names that is stillthe team that Roy is trying to work with.

god yes there ar other managers out there that i wished hadgot the job but i still think they would have found it hard to get a lot better results.

by **Number 9** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:07 pm

lakes10 wrote:
Number 9 wrote:Skrtel,Rodriguez and Koncheski are probably 3 of our most inconsistant and liable for our bad form players at the club!......Wise up lakes!

yes and they are some of the main names in our team......shows how poor our team is dont it.

Gerrard,Carragher and Reina if ya wanna name 3?...ya balloon!

by **Ring-of-Fire** » Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:23 pm

lakes10 wrote:
Ring-of-Fire wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
bavlondon wrote:
rocky29 wrote:where is the pressure on players to perform. Once they sign that long term contract what can a manager do to make that player try harder if he doesnt want to FECKALL. When your in your day job you know how much you can push it without taking the p!iss. You get a couple of warnings for not pulling your weight then your out. Do u really think nando doesnt know what a powerful position he is in?

That's where the managers ability to motivate his players comes into play. If you just sit there in your chair rubbing your face and nodding off then what do you expect to happen.

funny how you spent most of last year saying you could not blame the manager for the the way the players were playing but this year you are now saying you can blame the manager pmsl.......and yes mate there are a lot of you post where you did say that.

look come on most of us agree thatRoy is not the person we think should have got te job.....but he has ad he is our manager. it loks like the owners are going to give him some money to build a team, so lets see what happensthen

Whereas you and your cronies weren't blaming Rafa at all...

no for me Rafa was never the right person for he club, i did not wish to see our club turned into a club that only would be good in the CL.

we lost lot of points in the prem due to him resting key players for he next CL game.

i id not agree with him having total control on what players he took to our club and the youth set up.

and as he did we are left in my view with a weak first, 2nd team.

and apart from a few odd names that is stillthe team that Roy is trying to work with.

god yes there ar other managers out there that i wished hadgot the job but i still think they would have found it hard to get a lot better results.

The thing is, though, that Rafa signed a contract for control over youth team and transfers but was never actually given the control in the following transfer windows and was sacked a year later having been given £16k to spend in the summer. (It was actually closer to minus £15m as we only paid £5m upfront for Aquilani and won't have paid any more of it since he's been loaned out to Juve). Glen Johnson cost £7.5m as Portsmouth owed us £10m from the Crouch deal (money we would otherwise have never seen again as their administration and relegation has shown). We sold Alonso for £30m 3x what he cost) and Arbeloa for £5m-odd. We spent £12.5m in real terms on their replacements and people still think Rafa was in control of the signings! Rafa set up a deal for Tevez but the owners refused it. He set up a deal for Michael Turner, but the owners refused it. (So he went for Kyrgiakos instead.)

The youth set up has provided us with Kelly, Shelvey, Pachecho, Suso and Wilson - all players bought into the club/academy by Rafa.

It's very easy to blame him for the failure of certain signings, but why do you think he wanted more control over said signings? He obviously wasn't happy with the players he was getting, so he tried to stop others interfering. It makes perfect sense if you ask me, and no-one in their right mind would think that this team is what Benitez wanted.

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