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Postby lakes10 » Mon Dec 13, 2010 3:33 pm

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:Its simple the current manager has no idea how to manage class players or elevate their game ,he can however make Mediocre players a thorn in the side of top four teams just like he achieved  with Fulham ...but give him a World Class striker one of the most coveted in Europe and he fails dismally ....think of it being akin to introducing a coffee table to a pig sty ......

we are stuck in the same form as we was last year. is it down to the skill set of the players?
is the lack of skill in the players around Torres bring him down to their level?

would a few new player make him pick up his game?

or is he just fed up with english football?

Roy THIS rOY THAT, SORRY THAT DONT WAH WITH ME,

we as a club have not moved on from last year, in truth he is using almost the same team as last year and getting about the same same results, our away form last year was :censored: and its :censored: this year.

time to face facts, we dont have many good players at our club and when we have a few off sick ....its shows.
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Postby Thommo's perm » Mon Dec 13, 2010 3:36 pm

lakes10 wrote:
RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:Its simple the current manager has no idea how to manage class players or elevate their game ,he can however make Mediocre players a thorn in the side of top four teams just like he achieved  with Fulham ...but give him a World Class striker one of the most coveted in Europe and he fails dismally ....think of it being akin to introducing a coffee table to a pig sty ......

we are stuck in the same form as we was last year. is it down to the skill set of the players?
is the lack of skill in the players around Torres bring him down to their level?

would a few new player make him pick up his game?

or is he just fed up with english football?

Roy THIS rOY THAT, SORRY THAT DONT WAH WITH ME,

we as a club have not moved on from last year, in truth he is using almost the same team as last year and getting about the same same results, our away form last year was :censored: and its :censored: this year.

time to face facts, we dont have many good players at our club and when we have a few off sick ....its shows.

Im not sure whether is because were away that we cant seem to win. I think its more to do with teams getting at us and pressuring us to make mistakes. Our team at this moment is quite weak and we play our best football against teams that alow us to play, rather than ones who are in our face.
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Postby lakes10 » Mon Dec 13, 2010 3:38 pm

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RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:Its simple the current manager has no idea how to manage class players or elevate their game ,he can however make Mediocre players a thorn in the side of top four teams just like he achieved  with Fulham ...but give him a World Class striker one of the most coveted in Europe and he fails dismally ....think of it being akin to introducing a coffee table to a pig sty ......

we are stuck in the same form as we was last year. is it down to the skill set of the players?
is the lack of skill in the players around Torres bring him down to their level?

would a few new player make him pick up his game?

or is he just fed up with english football?

Roy THIS rOY THAT, SORRY THAT DONT WAH WITH ME,

we as a club have not moved on from last year, in truth he is using almost the same team as last year and getting about the same same results, our away form last year was :censored: and its :censored: this year.

time to face facts, we dont have many good players at our club and when we have a few off sick ....its shows.

Im not sure whether is because were away that we cant seem to win. I think its more to do with teams getting at us and pressuring us to make mistakes. Our team at this moment is quite weak and we play our best football against teams that alow us to play, rather than ones who are in our face.

lack of confidence was or problem last year aswell and still is now.

confidence is low in the players but then again when they look at the bench therers not many players there they can look at and think " yer he can come on and change it for us"

we need to buy and buy well.
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Postby RED BEERGOGGLES » Mon Dec 13, 2010 3:40 pm

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RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:Its simple the current manager has no idea how to manage class players or elevate their game ,he can however make Mediocre players a thorn in the side of top four teams just like he achieved  with Fulham ...but give him a World Class striker one of the most coveted in Europe and he fails dismally ....think of it being akin to introducing a coffee table to a pig sty ......

we are stuck in the same form as we was last year. is it down to the skill set of the players?
is the lack of skill in the players around Torres bring him down to their level?

would a few new player make him pick up his game?

or is he just fed up with english football?

Roy THIS rOY THAT, SORRY THAT DONT WAH WITH ME,

we as a club have not moved on from last year, in truth he is using almost the same team as last year and getting about the same same results, our away form last year was :censored: and its :censored: this year.

time to face facts, we dont have many good players at our club and when we have a few off sick ....its shows.

Lakes you use far too many expletives for a counsellor   :D
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Postby stmichael » Mon Dec 13, 2010 3:47 pm

lakes10 wrote:is the lack of skill in the players around Torres bring him down to their level?

whather the players around him are good enough or not, that doesn't excuse his lack of effort in recent games. same for gerrard last season who spent more time sulking and moping around instead of actually trying to do something about the situation and lead by example.

recently, torres has been outshone by ngog, both in terms of application and work rate. of course torres is a far better player but he's still got to justify his place in the side by putting the maximum effort in.
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Postby lakes10 » Mon Dec 13, 2010 7:47 pm

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:Its simple the current manager has no idea how to manage class players or elevate their game ,he can however make Mediocre players a thorn in the side of top four teams just like he achieved  with Fulham ...but give him a World Class striker one of the most coveted in Europe and he fails dismally ....think of it being akin to introducing a coffee table to a pig sty ......

we are stuck in the same form as we was last year. is it down to the skill set of the players?
is the lack of skill in the players around Torres bring him down to their level?

would a few new player make him pick up his game?

or is he just fed up with english football?

Roy THIS rOY THAT, SORRY THAT DONT WAH WITH ME,

we as a club have not moved on from last year, in truth he is using almost the same team as last year and getting about the same same results, our away form last year was :censored: and its :censored: this year.

time to face facts, we dont have many good players at our club and when we have a few off sick ....its shows.

Lakes you use far too many expletives for a counsellor   :D

:censored: off   :D
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Postby lakes10 » Mon Dec 13, 2010 7:51 pm

stmichael wrote:
lakes10 wrote:is the lack of skill in the players around Torres bring him down to their level?

whather the players around him are good enough or not, that doesn't excuse his lack of effort in recent games. same for gerrard last season who spent more time sulking and moping around instead of actually trying to do something about the situation and lead by example.

recently, torres has been outshone by ngog, both in terms of application and work rate. of course torres is a far better player but he's still got to justify his place in the side by putting the maximum effort in.

yes you are right when it comes to gerrard, but again he did the same last year when the result where not coming in...then in other games it would like like he has said to himself " right lets go win the game" and then leads the team to a great win.

but again it could be down to them looking at the bench and at a few players around them and thinking " what the hell are you doing playing for liverpool"
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Postby metalhead » Mon Dec 13, 2010 7:57 pm

stmichael wrote:
lakes10 wrote:is the lack of skill in the players around Torres bring him down to their level?

whather the players around him are good enough or not, that doesn't excuse his lack of effort in recent games. same for gerrard last season who spent more time sulking and moping around instead of actually trying to do something about the situation and lead by example.

recently, torres has been outshone by ngog, both in terms of application and work rate. of course torres is a far better player but he's still got to justify his place in the side by putting the maximum effort in.

agreed, he hasn't been himself, he needs a kick up the @rse.
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Postby Ring-of-Fire » Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:43 pm

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lakes10 wrote:Torres has been so off form that i am sure if we had better strikers in the team he would not be getting picked, ok e know what he can do but in truth he has not done it for almost a year now,

Skrtel.............ffs the guy is starting to wind me up, he takes his eyes off the play too much, a player can turn him inside out in a sec, we have seen him play some great games, the troon got a lucky offside coal and for the rest of the game he look a :censored: player, but untill then he looked good.

Rodríguez.....oh dear oh dear, bad game for him....and he is starting to have a lot of them in truth.
easy to get past, his passing was very poor in his last two games.....but yet again can look a world beater on some days.

Konchesky......should be taken in to the woods and left there to work out what sort of player he is to be.
one day he looks great, the next he would find it hard in a sunday team...but i think he can be a great player for this club if he puts his mind to it.


we have such a problem with our players right now, we never know what ones are going to turn up on the day, you pick your best team and then it seem their look alikes turn up and play.

Torres: 22 goals in 32 games last season says you're talking rot, lad.

Skrtel: Doesn't suit man-marking and isn't exactly the perfect foil for Kyrgiakos as they are very similar.

Rodriguez: You can't expect him to have a great game when the midfield is camped in its own half. He's an attacking player who likes intricate passing-and-moving. He's also adept at drifting in at the far post, but with the set up we've got, this is akin to having a condom machine in the Vatican.

Konchesky: Is playing :censored: because he is :censored:. He should be nowhere near our team, especially over Aurelio. It's like wanting to play 'another striker' in place of Torres...  :no

how many did he he get from jan to may Son?

When he was injured, you mean? That's like saying Gerrard's W*nk because he hasn't scored in the last 2 games.

You knobhead.
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Postby Ring-of-Fire » Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:44 pm

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lakes10 wrote:
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lakes10 wrote:Torres has been so off form that i am sure if we had better strikers in the team he would not be getting picked, ok e know what he can do but in truth he has not done it for almost a year now,

Skrtel.............ffs the guy is starting to wind me up, he takes his eyes off the play too much, a player can turn him inside out in a sec, we have seen him play some great games, the troon got a lucky offside coal and for the rest of the game he look a :censored: player, but untill then he looked good.

Rodríguez.....oh dear oh dear, bad game for him....and he is starting to have a lot of them in truth.
easy to get past, his passing was very poor in his last two games.....but yet again can look a world beater on some days.

Konchesky......should be taken in to the woods and left there to work out what sort of player he is to be.
one day he looks great, the next he would find it hard in a sunday team...but i think he can be a great player for this club if he puts his mind to it.


we have such a problem with our players right now, we never know what ones are going to turn up on the day, you pick your best team and then it seem their look alikes turn up and play.

Torres: 22 goals in 32 games last season says you're talking rot, lad.

Skrtel: Doesn't suit man-marking and isn't exactly the perfect foil for Kyrgiakos as they are very similar.

Rodriguez: You can't expect him to have a great game when the midfield is camped in its own half. He's an attacking player who likes intricate passing-and-moving. He's also adept at drifting in at the far post, but with the set up we've got, this is akin to having a condom machine in the Vatican.

Konchesky: Is playing :censored: because he is :censored:. He should be nowhere near our team, especially over Aurelio. It's like wanting to play 'another striker' in place of Torres...  :no

how many did he he get from jan to may Son?

Thats obviously not important Lakes  :D

:laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:

Oh, no - hang on: I have a life outside of this forum.  ???
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Postby Ring-of-Fire » Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:50 pm

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teamleader1 wrote:I think you would have to be blind not to notice how poor Nandos attitude has been for a while now.
I for one would have thought more of the manager had he dragged him off yesterday for Babel.
He could have even put Kuyt up front and switched Maxi over with Babel
Nando is more likely to miss a sitter these days than tuck it away, hes become lazy and sulks a lot of the time.
So who gives a fk if he gets the hump?

i dont. neither do you. but havent you heard, some posters would rather have "nando on a wheelchair over babel", no matter how badly the former has been playing.  :;):

its rather predictable what their response is gonna be:

1) why take Torres off? it will affect his confidence. poor management by Roy.

2) why take Torres off when he can make something out of nothing? bad tactical sub by Roy.

3) Torres is off, we're looking for a draw. sack Roy!  :angry:

Rafa got battered for ever daring to sub Torres, though. What's the difference?
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Postby TarnRed » Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:59 pm

lakes10 wrote:
so my point that he has not been in form for almost a year still stands then.

So he missed 19 games, started 9 games and managed 6 goals and that is out of form. Are you drinking absinth and smoking crack?.
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Postby NANNY RED » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:00 pm

lakes10 wrote:
......[/quote wrote:we are stuck in the same form as we was last year. is it down to the skill set of the players?
is the lack of skill in the players around Torres bring him down to their level?

would a few new player make him pick up his game?

or is he just fed up with english football?

Roy THIS rOY THAT, SORRY THAT DONT WAH WITH ME,

we as a club have not moved on from last year, in truth he is using almost the same team as last year and getting about the same same results, our away form last year was :censored: and its :censored: this year.

time to face facts, we dont have many good players at our club and when we have a few off sick ....its shows.

So let me ask you this Lakes if your not blaming Roy and your saying Fernando this an that, last season he was destoyed by injury and yet managed to score 18 goals in 22 games, this season he has managed to score 5 goals in 16 games with 1 away goal, So who are you blaming theres your stats,
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Postby metalhead » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:02 pm

Nanny, I believe Torres is suffering from confidence, he has been suffering the same thing during the WC, and it hasn't changed! lets see what happens
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Postby loopyliverpool » Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:16 am

Torres has been below par for a while; Reina has been all right bar a couple of errors but in the main good; Gerrard's been injured but was performing well at the start of the season... tailed off a little before the injury. For me that is it, no other big name players in our squad and there lies the problem!
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