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Postby LFC2007 » Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:42 pm

It had its roots in the US, but fault for the recession/state of the economy doesn't lie in any one place or any one level. But bear in mind that this (HE funding) is a public spending issue, and UK public expenditure got out of control on the watch of the last government, specifically in the middle part of the noughties - before the recession kicked in. Whoever won the last election was going to make significant cuts to public expenditure and so the question is one of priorities.
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Postby Gerrard30391 » Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:09 pm

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Postby Gerrard30391 » Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:12 pm

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Benny The Noon wrote:Education is free to all - further education has to be paid for in some way - if the students don't pay for their fees who does in the end ?

Correct, further education should be paid for, but made available to everyone.

So, do you actually think tripling the tuition fees is going to make it accessible to all?

And Benny it will end up going back to the rich and the poor. The rich will be able to afford it and the poor will have it paid, leaving the middle class with feck all.

P.S. apologies for double post, i fecked up the quoting  :blush:
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Postby Benny The Noon » Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:18 pm

If there is no student fees or they are lowered who is going to pay for the facilities , the teachers , the unis bills ?
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Postby Gerrard30391 » Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:21 pm

No i think you've missed the point mate.

I'm not disagreeing with fees, if I was, I wouldn't have agreed to go to uni paying in excess of £3k a year on tuition fees. Might I add, I have 15 hours teaching time a week, there's 36 in the cohort, you do the maths.

But hiking the fees from £3k to £9k don't you think is taking the biscuit a bit?
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Postby Benny The Noon » Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:27 pm

But the rise in fee is needed to pay for the education mate - everything is going in up price . Don't they have 30 years to pay it back and hasn't the celing of when you start paying back been risen as well to 21k a year earnings ? If a rise is needed to enable people to go to uni then I'm afraid needs must .
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Postby Red-er-Dare » Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:29 pm

Gerrard30391 wrote:
Red-er-Dare wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Education is free to all - further education has to be paid for in some way - if the students don't pay for their fees who does in the end ?

Correct, further education should be paid for, but made available to everyone.

So, do you actually think tripling the tuition fees is going to make it accessible to all?

And Benny it will end up going back to the rich and the poor. The rich will be able to afford it and the poor will have it paid, leaving the middle class with feck all.

P.S. apologies for double post, i fecked up the quoting  :blush:

Of course I don't, it's a typical conservative approach.
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Postby Gerrard30391 » Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:33 pm

Don't get me wrong a rise was needed, but it could've been done in smaller increments, and earlier, but £6k height is harsh. Also, to be with a lecturer for 15 hrs a week doesn't justify the 9K fees!

Some quick maths means £324,000 per course, per year.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:34 pm

There is more than just paying the lecturer thou mate .
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Postby redhayesy » Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:35 pm

we all knew if those fecking torry tw@ts got in,this would happen,let alone with the spinless lib dems joining them as well! fecking lib dem tw@ts - going back on their word about student fees etc fecking t0ssers! & some wonder why their was out rage, ffs my son will, not hopefully be going to univeristy! so i for one totally agree with the demos!

i will work my fingers to the bone to make sure he achieves his goal in life-to make that happen he will go to uni. but why the feck should he suffer in feeling guilty for chasing a dream in the natrual talent he has,which is IT. i'm a working class man, proud of it & fecking proud of my son for wanting to make himself somthing & someone to be proud of. so why should working class,or anyone for that matter be punished for it!

that's what is happening,people in this country -parents,sons, daughters etc are being punished for having a brain & wanting with a passion for acheiving their goal in life denied.

it's about time poloticians were given this type of demo,lets face it most of the feckers went to some sort of higher education-& now they are trying to debrive others in this country of doing so- it's bu11sh1t! the likes of my son fully deserve support cause he is passionate about college,uni etc & works is backside off. i had  a meeting with his tutor the other night to back this up.

also my son got off his backside & got a part time job to pay for his way in life,pay for things for his pc etc & it makes my blood boil to think he may be punished in a couple of years time finacial wise that is all down to false pomises & lies that he is aware of at this moment in time. i will not allow this to defere his talent or enthusiasm,because the likes of my son is the future of this country!
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Postby Gerrard30391 » Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:37 pm

Not that we see any of it. Ok there's porters, gardeners, cleaners etc. but we don't get any books, printing or any of the likes. I reckon you could go on all day fighting over a few quid, but if the government could've met a compromise somewhere between, the majority of students would've been happy.

The irony of this is, myself, and all of those cretins that were protesting aren't going to be affected as they are already into their course
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Postby Red-er-Dare » Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:38 pm

Hayesy, you seem highly strung today. :D
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Postby metalhead » Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:42 pm

SouthCoastShankly wrote:
andy_g wrote:and because society as a whole wasn't responsible for the recession. therefore its virtually fúcking criminal that society as a whole should be constantly penalised to pay for it.

Andy your footballing posts are sound but that post was :censored: bollox.

Firstly. The global recession was not solely our banker fault, in fact the vast majority of the recession was caused by the collapse of the US mortgage system. Our (and most other) were affected by investment into these markets.

Society SHOULD pay when times are bad because no one refuses the financial benefits when times are good. You can't have it both ways.

Whilst students are at university they make bugger all for the economy but as soon as they are earning they generate wealth if they are in employment. They also pay taxes to make contributions to run a society. This is how a western society works.

Don't like it, lump it. Or move.

Mate, the recession was the 100% the BANKER's fault, their arrogance and greed backfired and people got penalized for it.

The vast collapse of the Banking system (especially in credit and mortgages) was down to banks and financial institutions giving insane amount to people who are 90% sure to default on the loan. Also, interest rates on these loans were high and had a risk of going into default. On the other hand, you had financial analysts being arrogant on TV saying that these financial institutions and Fed reserve had enough to cover any loans default. Even when banks started to stop giving loans to people who had poor credit history (people with high overdraft, 2 or 3 credit cards, etc...), Loan Sharks (high risk and huge interest rate) and Financial Institutions gave them the loan and thinking that they will get away with it. Banks got screwed over because of their clumsy and mismanaged credit and risk department.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:46 pm

Gerrard30391 wrote:Not that we see any of it. Ok there's porters, gardeners, cleaners etc. but we don't get any books, printing or any of the likes. I reckon you could go on all day fighting over a few quid, but if the government could've met a compromise somewhere between, the majority of students would've been happy.

The irony of this is, myself, and all of those cretins that were protesting aren't going to be affected as they are already into their course

The country is in recession , thousands have lost their jobs , even more has had pay cuts , tax increases etc etc the people working are suffering and paying for financial mistakes and I'm afraid students wanting to go to uni will also have to take a hit - I know its harsh and it's not fair but its life . Nothing is free or given away anymore - this may well be the best plan for the future - who knows .
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Postby metalhead » Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:49 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
Gerrard30391 wrote:Not that we see any of it. Ok there's porters, gardeners, cleaners etc. but we don't get any books, printing or any of the likes. I reckon you could go on all day fighting over a few quid, but if the government could've met a compromise somewhere between, the majority of students would've been happy.

The irony of this is, myself, and all of those cretins that were protesting aren't going to be affected as they are already into their course

The country is in recession , thousands have lost their jobs , even more has had pay cuts , tax increases etc etc the people working are suffering and paying for financial mistakes and I'm afraid students wanting to go to uni will also have to take a hit - I know its harsh and it's not fair but its life . Nothing is free or given away anymore - this may well be the best plan for the future - who knows .

capitalism at its best... :(
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