worcester_red wrote:Maybe fans like Ben Patrick prefer to support the current manager, I know I do.
Rafa has been found out, there can be no excuses, he inherited a CL and Serie A winning team and is making them into an average team. What will it take for you to see Rafa for what he is or will you always have some convenient excuse, much like the "great" man has himself?
burjennio wrote:Ben Patrick wrote:Its amazing how blinkered some people can be.
C'Mon Ben, you've spent the last two pages saying Benitez is a sh*te manager and been found out. The man won 2 La Ligas and the UEFA Cup with Valencia and the CL and FA Cup with Liverpool. Not the CV of a sh*t manager. The blinkers that large parts of this forum suffer from are in relation to their standings against the other side in the Pro/Anti debate. Every piece of rationality seems to have long since disappeared in that department. One the one hand, people are praying for the day when Benitez walks through the Shankly Gates again as manager, and the other is guys like yourself just ommitting his entire history as a manager except the last 18 months. Until last night I though a touch of common sense had been restored to Newkit but it seems I jumped to conclusions.
FWIW I think the problems at Inter lie with Rafas playing style rather than the injuries or him being a "sh*t" man manager. He inherited a side that under Mourinho liked to sit deep and counter whereas Rafa plays a high tempo pressing game that, in my estimation anyway, he was never going to convince an experienced side that had just won everything to buy into, nevermind fully commit to building up the sheer athleticm it takes implement such a tactic. Lucio, Zanetti, Cambassio even Sneijder - great players but not exactly bursting with energy and pace. Take a look at the slow tempo of Italian football in general then compare it how Rafa set out at Anfield on most European nights. Pressing high up the pitch with everyone working hard to close down opponents not giving them a second on the ball - Italy hadnt seen a tackle in the opposing end in 40 years ffs! Defending starts in your own half and with the exception of Samuel Eto'o who had been playing the pressing style with such success under Guardiola at Barca in my opinion anyway no one at Inter wants to know about "high tempo" and "playing between the lines"
burjennio wrote:Ben Patrick wrote:Its amazing how blinkered some people can be.
C'Mon Ben, you've spent the last two pages saying Benitez is a sh*te manager and been found out. The man won 2 La Ligas and the UEFA Cup with Valencia and the CL and FA Cup with Liverpool. Not the CV of a sh*t manager. The blinkers that large parts of this forum suffer from are in relation to their standings against the other side in the Pro/Anti debate. Every piece of rationality seems to have long since disappeared in that department. One the one hand, people are praying for the day when Benitez walks through the Shankly Gates again as manager, and the other is guys like yourself just ommitting his entire history as a manager except the last 18 months. Until last night I though a touch of common sense had been restored to Newkit but it seems I jumped to conclusions.
FWIW I think the problems at Inter lie with Rafas playing style rather than the injuries or him being a "sh*t" man manager. He inherited a side that under Mourinho liked to sit deep and counter whereas Rafa plays a high tempo pressing game that, in my estimation anyway, he was never going to convince an experienced side that had just won everything to buy into, nevermind fully commit to building up the sheer athleticm it takes implement such a tactic. Lucio, Zanetti, Cambassio even Sneijder - great players but not exactly bursting with energy and pace. Take a look at the slow tempo of Italian football in general then compare it how Rafa set out at Anfield on most European nights. Pressing high up the pitch with everyone working hard to close down opponents not giving them a second on the ball - Italy hadnt seen a tackle in the opposing end in 40 years ffs! Defending starts in your own half and with the exception of Samuel Eto'o who had been playing the pressing style with such success under Guardiola at Barca in my opinion anyway no one at Inter wants to know about "high tempo" and "playing between the lines"
LFC2007 wrote:What's the point in a change of style if it means you aren't remotely competitive? Totally ludicrous this idea that changing a formula that generated a team of treble winners was in any sense a sensible approach to take. On the point about the aging squad, this is the same aging squad that only months ago was winning everything on offer. It didn't affect the team then, so why should it suddenly become a factor now? Moreover, AC Milan's squad (and first team) is laced with players aged over 30: Abbiatti, Nesta, Seedorf, Ambrosini, Pirlo, Zambrotta, Gattuso, Ronadinho.
bavlondon wrote:LFC2007 wrote:What's the point in a change of style if it means you aren't remotely competitive? Totally ludicrous this idea that changing a formula that generated a team of treble winners was in any sense a sensible approach to take. On the point about the aging squad, this is the same aging squad that only months ago was winning everything on offer. It didn't affect the team then, so why should it suddenly become a factor now? Moreover, AC Milan's squad (and first team) is laced with players aged over 30: Abbiatti, Nesta, Seedorf, Ambrosini, Pirlo, Zambrotta, Gattuso, Ronadinho.
Change of manager generally means change of style. Especially when you go from 1 experienced manager to another. Were people expecting Benitez to follow Joses same path and play the way he plays? Come on.
Also the aging squad is a factor when injures crop up, which they have done this season plenty a time.
Red-er-Dare wrote:I bet those who go on about Rafa as though he is the only manager in LFC's history are dying to say give the man time at Inter, but unfortunately they are tied and bound by the sheer hypocrisy they'd exhibit for not having the same patience for Roy. As we well know, those who LOVE Rafa detest Roy because it was him who succeeded there pin-up manager at LFC, and they still have the time to find ample excuses for his latest unfortunate demise in football.
PS: I don't hate Rafa but I dislike the numpties who swear blind the man is the best thing since sliced bread [because of course they're soooo wrong]
Red-er-Dare wrote:I bet those who go on about Rafa as though he is the only manager in LFC's history are dying to say give the man time at Inter, but unfortunately they are tied and bound by the sheer hypocrisy they'd exhibit for not having the same patience for Roy. As we well know, those who LOVE Rafa detest Roy because it was him who succeeded there pin-up manager at LFC, and they still have the time to find ample excuses for his latest unfortunate demise in football.
PS: I don't hate Rafa but I dislike the numpties who swear blind the man is the best thing since sliced bread [because of course they're soooo wrong]
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