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by **jacdaniel** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:56 pm

I agree with St Michael here.

We were very inconsistent in 04/05 but there was signs of improvement.
First off, Rafa got Carra into CB and helped make him one of the most respected defenders in the country. (Rafa rarely gets credit for that one).

Alonso and Garcia were 2 quality players that really added to the team.

You could just sense that things were changing for the best. I don't get that feeling this year. I think we're going further backwards this year.

A lot of people have said that they're more concerned by performances than the actual results this season. And i agree with that. We're doing nothing inspiring at all. In 04/05 we were.

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 1:10 pm

maypaxvobiscum wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:Ok so lets look back on why rafa was given time .

Two la liga titles
Uefa cup title .

He brought his valencia team to anfield and played us off the park .

Roy . 35 years of mediocrity .
We played his teams , we know his style and that is why he gets no time , because it is appearing before our very eyes . MEDIOCRITY.

maybe that's because he was managing mediocre teams and we were hoping with a better group of players at his disposal, he would do better..

Why do you think he was managing mediocre teams ?

by **Bad Bob** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 1:15 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:
SouthCoastShankly wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:Question . Does Roy as a manager deserve our respect with the way he has performed in his roll as LFC manager ?

Currently IMO No

Agreed, but going back to my initial post. Benitez DID get that respect despite having an equally poor start. His respect was on the proviso that it would take time to adapt and mould the team to his methods.

A better question would be whether we think Hodgson has the potential to achieve a top four team? Does his skill set allow this?

Ok so lets look back on why rafa was given time .

Two la liga titles
Uefa cup title .

He brought his valencia team to anfield and played us off the park .

Roy . 35 years of mediocrity .
We played his teams , we know his style and that is why he gets no time , because it is appearing before our very eyes . MEDIOCRITY.

I would add that the ownership issue was a huge part of the equation too. Rafa was hired by a respected owner and board who were still viewed as defenders of the Liverpool Way. Hodgson, on the other hand, was appointed by hired guns who the bank had brought in to keep the cowboys' hands out of the cookie jar and there was (and to a certain extent still is) a lot of suspicion about their credentials and motives. If you don't trust who's doing the appointing, it's not surprising that the appointee didn't get the same degree of respect as his predecessor.

by **Igor Zidane** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 1:20 pm

Bad Bob wrote:I would add that the ownership issue was a huge part of the equation too. Rafa was hired by a respected owner and board who were still viewed as defenders of the Liverpool Way. Hodgson, on the other hand, was appointed by hired guns who the bank had brought in to keep the cowboys' hands out of the cookie jar and there was (and to a certain extent still is) a lot of suspicion about their credentials and motives. If you don't trust who's doing the appointing, it's not surprising that the appointee didn't get the same degree of respect as his predecessor.

Yes i'd accept that as a reason aswell bob , fair point .

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 1:21 pm

Well thats a different view point that i dont think has been touched on and you may well have hit it on the button there bob .

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 1:41 pm

stmichael wrote:
SouthCoastShankly wrote:Agreed, but going back to my initial post. Benitez DID get that respect despite having an equally poor start. His respect was on the proviso that it would take time to adapt and mould the team to his methods.

But even after this poor start we still had decent performances in there. We beat Arsenal at home, we came from 2-0 down to beat Fulham away, we spanked the likes of Norwich and West Brom at home with some great football. At least we could see a pattern of play developing with Alonso pulling the strings and the likes of Garcia, Cisse and Kewell providing a goal threat.

The football then was a million miles better than the dross we've seen this season, with the exceptionof Chelsea in the first half.

I agree but this season has not been all dross.

Arsenal first game was a massive performance considering the pre-season warm of just playing kids due to the World Cup senior players resting period. A draw was definitely a point gained for Arsenal that day.

The Blackburn game was arguably the best game of the year. Paul Robinson single handedly stopped a massive score that day.

The Chelsea game was a great team performance and result considering the run that Chelsea were on without hitting top gear.

For me there was much more potential for improvement under Benitez, his style was fresh, whereas I can't see what Hodgson's vision is. But regardless the results for the first half of the season are too similar to ignore.

by **stmichael** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 1:45 pm

andy_g wrote:on the respect thing and 'the liverpool way'... i always believed that respect WAS the liverpool way (although only the most committed extend that as far as the mancs, it must be said). how many other clubs fans would applaud the opposition goalie when he takes position in front of the kop? has that goalie invested time in earning our respect or does he get respect because we know its correct that he should? even though he's going to try his damnedest to stop us scoring against him? roy hodgson, believe it or not, has actually been trying to help us win games so why does he get slaughtered on a personal level just because he's palpably failing on the professional one?

too many questions, i know. sorry for going all benny on yo asses...

If I'm honest I'm sick of hearing about 'The Liverpool Way'. That notion is exactly why we never get anywhere fast enough. In the past "The Liverpool Way led to Evans and Houllier co-managing us.

We need to be ruthless now both on and off the pitch. We are far far too soft.

by **Reg** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:23 pm

The Liverpool Way is dead. Maybe in teh future it can come back, but for now the Yanks killed it, it doesnt exist.

by **Thommo's perm** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:12 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:I can't really comment on how much Rafa was respected but I do remember he did a few things that endeared him to the fans - going into the pub with was a big turning point . As for your question I was say that's a definate no - he won't get us into the top four and doesn't have the skill sets to achieve it IMO

Silly silly Roy
Get yerself to the Albert mate and av a gargle with the boyz and everythin will be sound kidder
:Oo:

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:48 pm

Reg wrote:The Liverpool Way is dead. Maybe in teh future it can come back, but for now the Yanks killed it, it doesnt exist.

Reg the Yanks are gone because of the strength and the voice of the fan base ...Hicks n Co did a fine job of suffocating us for a while, but this being Liverpool we came round kicking and screaming and our fight was made public to all

by **Igor Zidane** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:10 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:I can't really comment on how much Rafa was respected but I do remember he did a few things that endeared him to the fans - going into the pub with was a big turning point . As for your question I was say that's a definate no - he won't get us into the top four and doesn't have the skill sets to achieve it IMO

Silly silly Roy
Get yerself to the Albert mate and av a gargle with the boyz and everythin will be sound kidder

Oh dear.

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:34 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:I can't really comment on how much Rafa was respected but I do remember he did a few things that endeared him to the fans - going into the pub with was a big turning point . As for your question I was say that's a definate no - he won't get us into the top four and doesn't have the skill sets to achieve it IMO

Silly silly Roy
Get yerself to the Albert mate and av a gargle with the boyz and everythin will be sound kidder

do you hear that whooosshing noise - thats the sound of the point of the post going straight over your head .

by **Thommo's perm** » Tue Nov 16, 2010 11:24 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:I can't really comment on how much Rafa was respected but I do remember he did a few things that endeared him to the fans - going into the pub with was a big turning point . As for your question I was say that's a definate no - he won't get us into the top four and doesn't have the skill sets to achieve it IMO

Silly silly Roy
Get yerself to the Albert mate and av a gargle with the boyz and everythin will be sound kidder

do you hear that whooosshing noise - thats the sound of the point of the post going straight over your head .

Im agreeing with you
"going into the pub was a big turning point"
Its a great way for Roy to endear himself to the fans.
Im suggesting the Albert but the Sandon or the Sali will do fine?

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