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by **Zidane** » Tue Nov 02, 2010 4:32 pm

Top 5 and a good cup run in the FA or Europa Cup, lots of other things that Igor mentioned earlier as well. I'm in agreement with him though, he won't do these things imo and we'll have to move on soon. He never has been good enough and he's too old to all of a sudden change.

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Nov 02, 2010 4:35 pm

dawson99 wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
dawson99 wrote:you can see Torres aint right.. and actually this thread is about what you need to get you a bit more on board the Roy train, but that got fecked

Yourr right it did - by people bringing up last season once again and bringing up Rafa once again - IMO torres is not looking right because he is isolated up front and the set up and tactics are not to his strengths

yeah, you didnt do anything wrong again halo boy lol

You cant blame roy for Torres, hes looked like he has for about the past 6 months, world cup included, hes losing ball too much... but if we carry on playnig further up the field Roy may get a couple more fans

Go through the thread and you will see where it derailed into Rafa etc :;):

If you find im at fault please highlight it

As for Torres yes he was injured from march until the world cup and was woefully short of match fitness and form at world cup and start of season the same again but he is getting the fitness back but he is totally isolated and on his own - even when gerrard is supposed to be with him he drops deep because the rest of the team are deep - its no surprise that Torres looked a better player when Ngog come on alongside so he had said to work with but even then they were both isolated . We need to play higher up the pitch - we did it for 60 mins against Blackburn and now need to do it for every match .

by **Ciggy** » Tue Nov 02, 2010 5:33 pm

dawson99 wrote:You cant blame roy for Torres,

Oh you can, when you seen the guardian chalkboards the difference is astounding in this seasons games compared to the previous ones Torres has played in.

by **Thommo's perm** » Tue Nov 02, 2010 5:43 pm

Ciggy wrote:
dawson99 wrote:You cant blame roy for Torres,

Oh you can, when you seen the guardian chalkboards the difference is astounding in this seasons games compared to the previous ones Torres has played in.

I hope he doesnt get injured
It could take months for him to get fit, and even then he might not get back to his best
Oh wait...
:wwww

by **Big Niall** » Tue Nov 02, 2010 5:51 pm

Ciggy wrote:
dawson99 wrote:You cant blame roy for Torres,

Oh you can, when you seen the guardian chalkboards the difference is astounding in this seasons games compared to the previous ones Torres has played in.

Was it Roy's fault that Torres had a shocking world cup? no! his confidence is down.

by **maguskwt** » Tue Nov 02, 2010 5:57 pm

dawson99 wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
dawson99 wrote:You cant blame roy for Torres,

Oh you can, when you seen the guardian chalkboards the difference is astounding in this seasons games compared to the previous ones Torres has played in.

ffs hun you blame Roy for your trip to Dubai

You blame Roy for torres not being able to catch a ball in his feet as well?

so why are all our key players struggling at the moment?

by **mart** » Tue Nov 02, 2010 8:10 pm

This thread sounds like yet another excuse to bring out the usual complaining about other posters.

But for me he needs to :
- Learn to handle the media and stop making stupid statements even if he has a lot of buddies in the media.
- Show that he is capable of handling a club with big ambitions.
- Show that he wants to win
- Show that he has a plan when going forward, not just sit back and hope for the best.

by **Fauxy** » Tue Nov 02, 2010 8:26 pm

Im still willing to give Roy a chance, the team is starting to play better now and he still has time. Getting fourth was always going to be much harder this season so im not that bothered about that, as long as we get about 5th and we look like a side that is getting better i will be happy.

If things start to get worse by january then i might be one of the many that are calling for him to get the sack but for now im on his side just about

by **LFC2007** » Tue Nov 02, 2010 10:28 pm

I find it strange that we get two massively important wins that put us right back into the mix for the mix (three behind Spurs, who are fifth) and yet the criticism of the manager remains unremitting, and in some cases looks to have actually intensified. If winning is the name of the game then I don't quite get that response, but speaking for myself, I felt a big sense of relief when Maxi scored and we went on to beat Bolton. Before that game - and before the Blackburn game for that matter - I didn't believe that changing the manager was the right way to go since you'd be plunging the new guy (if you can find one) into a very difficult situation, and from NESV's perspective, there was a risk in appearing rash in the eyes of quite a lot of people, and - following on from the previous ownership regime - that wasn't a risk worth taking. Stability is the name of the game and letting it run its course was the most sensible option. I would add that while these last two results have given us at least some hope of having a decent season, we remain in a precarious position where one result can change the entire outlook for the season, making it a case of wait and see. Medium-long term, say beyond this season, I don't see Roy as the man to put us back up there challenging for the top honours. For that view to change, I guess that we'd need to get or go close to fourth, and win or go very close in one of the cups - though you never truly know how you'll feel come the end of the season. It's also otherwise dependent on the available replacements for the job and how they compare. My hope is that people let results, not personality, predominate in this particular equation.

by **maguskwt** » Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:30 am

Posted in the Hodgson thread, might be more relevant here:

Roy is not out of the woods yet, if we beat Chelsea he will have 50% of my support...

If we get into CL spot, he will get 100% of my support...

If he can't improve on last season's finish, he should go at the end of the season...

by **Simari** » Wed Nov 03, 2010 2:52 am

We haven't played spurs away yet, so don't hold your breath ... make that judgement call on Nov 28th.

by **Scottbot** » Wed Nov 03, 2010 9:19 am

LFC2007 wrote:I find it strange that we get two massively important wins that put us right back into the mix for the mix (three behind Spurs, who are fifth) and yet the criticism of the manager remains unremitting, and in some cases looks to have actually intensified. If winning is the name of the game then I don't quite get that response, but speaking for myself, I felt a big sense of relief when Maxi scored and we went on to beat Bolton. Before that game - and before the Blackburn game for that matter - I didn't believe that changing the manager was the right way to go since you'd be plunging the new guy (if you can find one) into a very difficult situation, and from NESV's perspective, there was a risk in appearing rash in the eyes of quite a lot of people, and - following on from the previous ownership regime - that wasn't a risk worth taking. Stability is the name of the game and letting it run its course was the most sensible option. I would add that while these last two results have given us at least some hope of having a decent season, we remain in a precarious position where one result can change the entire outlook for the season, making it a case of wait and see. Medium-long term, say beyond this season, I don't see Roy as the man to put us back up there challenging for the top honours. For that view to change, I guess that we'd need to get or go close to fourth, and win or go very close in one of the cups - though you never truly know how you'll feel come the end of the season. It's also otherwise dependent on the available replacements for the job and how they compare. My hope is that people let results, not personality, predominate in this particular equation.

Pretty much echoes my thoughts. Hodgson isn't the man to lead us forward long-term, i'm pretty much convinced of that but the bottom line is we're 3 points behind Spurs in 5th as things stand this morning. I read the other day that Spurs had had a decent start to the premier league season which amused me coz we're only 3 points down on them and having a terrible start. I think the over-analysis of what Hodgson says in press conferences is simply over the top. Must admit I don't really think he talks like a Liverpool manager, I'd like to see the quiet confidence/arrogance that usually comes with the position but I'm not as mortally offended or embarrassed by his comments as so many in here seem to be. It all gets a bit sanctimonious tbh. I think it's likely that we will finish the season with a different manager in place but it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if Hodgson can stabilise things over the next couple of months and perhaps a change will be on the horizon come the transfer window if things fail to improve as much as they should. I don't think it would be good to make a change right now, i'm sick of all the controversy surrounding the club and it would be nice to be off the back pages for a while.

I still think that we have a squad capable of finishing 4th (given some investment in January) and (taking into account our start) should not finish any lower than 6th. Id we fail to break back in to the Champions League places I will consider the season to have been a failure.

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Wed Nov 03, 2010 10:18 am

Ciggy wrote:
dawson99 wrote:You cant blame roy for Torres,

Oh you can, when you seen the guardian chalkboards the difference is astounding in this seasons games compared to the previous ones Torres has played in.

YOU can.

The majority don't.

by **tubby** » Wed Nov 03, 2010 10:24 am

SouthCoastShankly wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
dawson99 wrote:You cant blame roy for Torres,

Oh you can, when you seen the guardian chalkboards the difference is astounding in this seasons games compared to the previous ones Torres has played in.

YOU can.

The majority don't.

And since when were you representing 'the majority'?

As I recall it was 'the majority' on here who were before adamat Roy was the man to turn things around. Look how that is turning out. Ever considered the fact that you could all be wrong on this one too?

by **maguskwt** » Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:20 am

bavlondon wrote:
SouthCoastShankly wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
dawson99 wrote:You cant blame roy for Torres,

Oh you can, when you seen the guardian chalkboards the difference is astounding in this seasons games compared to the previous ones Torres has played in.

YOU can.

The majority don't.

And since when were you representing 'the majority'?

As I recall it was 'the majority' on here who were before adamat Roy was the man to turn things around. Look how that is turning out. Ever considered the fact that you could all be wrong on this one too?

Deluded mate these Roy fan boys...

Everything is the players fault... the players don't show up blah blah blah...

who's responsibility that the players don't show up? the manager...

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