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In and Out wrote:Well my colonial cousin (my term of endearment to you), some people who you've read 'once or twice' may have been wide of the mark per se but what does them being wrong in this instance actually mean to you?

A little high five here or there with a fellow bangwagon cohort. Pah.

Calum wrote:I predicted we would finish 5th or 6th before the season started and I've had no reason to change my view on that. If the flair players Gerrard, Torres, Cole and Meireles stay fit and play in the majority of games, we shouldn't be too far off 4th, but I think top 4 will just be out of our reach.

bigmick wrote:I am pleased that you think "there is no reason that we shouldn't challenge for the title" although I can't help thinking that this is the prelude to another silly point scoring exercise and not what you actually think.

bigmick wrote: I thought my post would send them scurrying through the archives. Two things, that post looks like one I made after we had led the league for much of it before listing our FACTS, taking our eyes off the ball and eventually losing it to Man Utd. I did and still do think if we had had Mourinho in charge wouldn't have been so foolish, and we would have won the title. Some managers find a way to win, and some find a way to lose. Perhaps if you'd requote Lynds and put the date up it should clear it up.

I'll save any other archive checkers the trouble though. You don't go from 7th to first, I don't care what squad you've got. We will not challenge for the title I shouldn't think this season, and we certainly won't win it.






Anyway back to the point of the thread. Perhaps the high fivers could have a meet up in the Inter Milan thread and sicuss these matters further in there.

bigmick wrote:

laza wrote:Im pretty someone told me or may have read once or twice on some forum that we had this fantastic squad which would have taken/put a credible challenge for the title last season if we had a few more arms around the shoulders.

We strenghened quite well, brought on a respected man manager,   so I cant see why we wont be challenging for the title this year. 

I think you're getting yourself a little bit confused here to be totally honest. I think your post refers to me if I'm not mistaken (quite a lot of your more snide ones do), and I don't think you are fairly representing my thoughts.

I actually think/thought we have been good enough to challenge for the title for three seasons, or at least we had the tools to do so. Unfortunately however, when you buy a 20 million pound striker and decide to spend/spunk the fee on a player who you don't intend to play, it doesn't overly help your cause. Similarly, if you sell strikers and replace them with quite obviously inferior players, slowly but surely your chances are eroded. Similarly, if you sell your pivot at the base of central midfield and replace him with a 20 million quid crock/flop who doesn't play, then it stands to reason that as sure as eggs is eggs, your chances are being reduced.

Further, if you are fourth the previous season, third, or second even, then clearly you have a platform, a base camp if you like, from which to mount a challenge. It also helps of course if you have at least some money to spend, if you haven't then your chances gradually diminish, even more so if what you do have you spunk on dodgy 7 million quid left backs from Italy, or dodgy 11 million quid strikers from Holland.

So in conclusion I'd say that before last seasons started, we had the tools to challenge for the title. I'm surprised to be honest that you don't agree, we had finished 2nd the season before, had challenged and were seemingly improving. We sold our midfield lynchpin for reasons we don't need to go into here, and chose to re-invest the proceeds on Aquilani for 20 million quid, and Johnson for 17 million quid. The rest is history, and as you know we finished 7th.

This season, Roy has rightly packed Aquilani off from whence he came (as nobody wanted to buy him obviously) and has made a fairly significant profit in the transfer market, due no doubt to our financial situation. He has to try and make do with some of the players/dross he was left behind, and he takes over a dispirited squad, with an injured star striker, who finished 7th last season.

Therefore it is unrealistic to expect us to challenge for the title IMHO, particularly as one or two clubs are better this season than they were last (Man Utd and Man City fairly obvious examples, Chelsea now Essien is available etc etc).

  I hope this clears it up for you. It is a shame though that once again a perfectly sensible, reasonable thread is invaded and potentially derailed by someone who as in and out says is interested purely in high fiving the posse. You really should try and move on.

I am pleased that you think "there is no reason that we shouldn't challenge for the title" although I can't help thinking that this is the prelude to another silly point scoring exercise and not what you actually think. Suffice to say once again if you do think that then we don't agree, and my thoughts on your football knowledge are re-affirmed.

aCe' wrote:

bigmick wrote:

laza wrote:Im pretty someone told me or may have read once or twice on some forum that we had this fantastic squad which would have taken/put a credible challenge for the title last season if we had a few more arms around the shoulders.

We strenghened quite well, brought on a respected man manager,   so I cant see why we wont be challenging for the title this year. 

I think you're getting yourself a little bit confused here to be totally honest. I think your post refers to me if I'm not mistaken (quite a lot of your more snide ones do), and I don't think you are fairly representing my thoughts.

I actually think/thought we have been good enough to challenge for the title for three seasons, or at least we had the tools to do so. Unfortunately however, when you buy a 20 million pound striker and decide to spend/spunk the fee on a player who you don't intend to play, it doesn't overly help your cause. Similarly, if you sell strikers and replace them with quite obviously inferior players, slowly but surely your chances are eroded. Similarly, if you sell your pivot at the base of central midfield and replace him with a 20 million quid crock/flop who doesn't play, then it stands to reason that as sure as eggs is eggs, your chances are being reduced.

Further, if you are fourth the previous season, third, or second even, then clearly you have a platform, a base camp if you like, from which to mount a challenge. It also helps of course if you have at least some money to spend, if you haven't then your chances gradually diminish, even more so if what you do have you spunk on dodgy 7 million quid left backs from Italy, or dodgy 11 million quid strikers from Holland.

So in conclusion I'd say that before last seasons started, we had the tools to challenge for the title. I'm surprised to be honest that you don't agree, we had finished 2nd the season before, had challenged and were seemingly improving. We sold our midfield lynchpin for reasons we don't need to go into here, and chose to re-invest the proceeds on Aquilani for 20 million quid, and Johnson for 17 million quid. The rest is history, and as you know we finished 7th.

This season, Roy has rightly packed Aquilani off from whence he came (as nobody wanted to buy him obviously) and has made a fairly significant profit in the transfer market, due no doubt to our financial situation. He has to try and make do with some of the players/dross he was left behind, and he takes over a dispirited squad, with an injured star striker, who finished 7th last season.

Therefore it is unrealistic to expect us to challenge for the title IMHO, particularly as one or two clubs are better this season than they were last (Man Utd and Man City fairly obvious examples, Chelsea now Essien is available etc etc).

  I hope this clears it up for you. It is a shame though that once again a perfectly sensible, reasonable thread is invaded and potentially derailed by someone who as in and out says is interested purely in high fiving the posse. You really should try and move on.

I am pleased that you think "there is no reason that we shouldn't challenge for the title" although I can't help thinking that this is the prelude to another silly point scoring exercise and not what you actually think. Suffice to say once again if you do think that then we don't agree, and my thoughts on your football knowledge are re-affirmed.

i agree with this...

Its pathetic that some are still arguing Benitez's case rather than wanting to see the team improve under the current manager...

Fu.cking tell me about it 

Just look at the Hodgson thread 

Benny The Noon wrote:Im sure we all want to improve no matter who the manager is - the club and team is the bigger picture and we want and need improvement both on and off the field - we all want the team to be successful - I most certainly do

In and Out wrote:

rocky29 wrote:

In and Out wrote:Yeah, I reckon we'll get top 4 this season.

you have posted in the wrong thread. Post in the humour thread were we can all have a good laugh at the brilliant joke u have just posted. 

You're the one who's been crying about how great Aquilani is and that we should have never loaned such a fantastic player out.

Considering the blokes hardly played football in the last 3 and half years perhaps it is you who should enter the humour joke thread.

Benny The Noon wrote:Just because I'm not happy with what I am seeing on the pitch and about certain transfers doesn't mean I don't want us to improve or be successful . Half the problem on the Hodgson thread comes from you trying to start a flame war any time someone posts something you don't agree with - how about actually debating the points that people are posting instead or trying to wind everyone up - people are fully entitled to critisize the manager and just because they do it doesn't make them any less of fan and it doesn't mean they don't want us to be successful - this board is becoming more political and less about the football .