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by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:58 pm

tonyeh wrote:He's played as a winger many times.

Even his wiki page says he's a winger

Seriously, he's an option for the left.

Our only positional concern is our right wing. We have no players for that role.

For which team has he played as a winger ? Didnt at West Ham or at Chelsea - i could change wiki to say he is a GK.

He would play out left in a 4-2-3-1 formation or 4-3-3 with Kuyt out right and IMO both those formations are the ones that suit are players

But Cole is not a winger and never has been .

by **tonyeh** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:01 pm

It doesn't mean Liverpool HAVE to play 442 for ever and ever. But, we can instill a fluid approach. 451 can still be an option against tougher sides. But really, we shouldn't be letting the likes of WBA boss the game and hope that Torres can save the day.

We need to be making more and quit simply hoping for a good outcome.

by **tonyeh** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:05 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
tonyeh wrote:He's played as a winger many times.

Even his wiki page says he's a winger

Seriously, he's an option for the left.

Our only positional concern is our right wing. We have no players for that role.

For which team has he played as a winger ? Didnt at West Ham or at Chelsea - i could change wiki to say he is a GK.

He would play out left in a 4-2-3-1 formation or 4-3-3 with Kuyt out right and IMO both those formations are the ones that suit are players

But Cole is not a winger and never has been .

You could. But, it would last long :;):

I recall him playing on the wing for Chelsea.

Read the title of this...

http://www.goal.com/en-gb....ie-a-or

:laugh:

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:07 pm

Chelsea never played 4-4-2 with Cole as a winger during any of the games i have watched over the years . Being called a winger is totally different to actually playing as one

by **stmichael** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:12 pm

the problem is, if we had any proper wingers and they didn't produce in the first season, the fans of today would be on their backs and want rid of them. if you give a winger a few seasons and are patient, it can reap rewards, just look at malouda at chelsea.

by **tonyeh** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:15 pm

Ahem...

"Former Chelsea winger Joe Cole favours a move to Serie A or La Liga this summer - report"
http://www.goal.com/en-gb....ie-a-or

"Speedy winger Joe Cole faces driving ban"
http://www.metro.co.uk/news....ing-ban

"Arsenal Favourites To Sign Chelsea Winger Joe Cole
http://www.totalfootballmadness.com/2010....oe-cole

http://www.southasiablog.com/2010/07/joe-cole-going-where.html
Joe Cole Going Where?

Former Chelsea left winger Joe Cole could not yet decide on his club future. The 28-year-old England international has attracted many European clubs in the Summer since the expiration of his Chelsea contract...

...The only team who could deal with his demand is Manchester City who has already signed Spanish winger David Silva from Valencia. So, it seems less likely that City would attempt to sign another winger in Joe Cole, but given the bizarre nature of City’s recent spending there is a slight possibility they could still consider signing Joe Cole by handing him his desired salary.

etc etc.....

Game, set and match.

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:46 pm

As I said calling someone a winger doesn't mean he plays as a winger - go watch him Okayama see if you can find where he ever played as a winger in a 4-4-2 . When Maureen was at Chelsea did they not play 4-3-3 with Cole and Duff in wide forward areas but not as wingers . The same again when Ancelotti arrived . Never as a winger - the press take the easy option and call anyone who plays in a wide forward role a winger when thy aren't - players like Lennon , Penannt , Young , Downing , A Johnson are the true wingers , pacey , dribbling skills , direct.

by **JC_81** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:47 pm

stmichael wrote:the problem is, if we had any proper wingers and they didn't produce in the first season, the fans of today would be on their backs and want rid of them. if you give a winger a few seasons and are patient, it can reap rewards, just look at malouda at chelsea.

Don't see how that's specific to wingers St Mike. Fans are on any player's back if they have a bad season. Look at Gerrard last season FFS, some on here were saying he was finished because he had a subdued season by his standards. If they're saying that about Stevie who's been an immense player for us for a decade then can you really expect a new signing who has a poor debut season to be cut some slack?

Bottom line is we've just not bought good enough players over the last few years when it comes to wide players. It's difficult though, much like strikers and goalkeepers, quality wingers rarely become available on the market at reasonable prices.

by **tonyeh** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:52 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:As I said calling someone a winger doesn't mean he plays as a winger - go watch him Okayama see if you can find where he ever played as a winger in a 4-4-2 . When Maureen was at Chelsea did they not play 4-3-3 with Cole and Duff in wide forward areas but not as wingers . The same again when Ancelotti arrived . Never as a winger - the press take the easy option and call anyone who plays in a wide forward role a winger when thy aren't - players like Lennon , Penannt , Young , Downing , A Johnson are the true wingers , pacey , dribbling skills , direct.

Oh, for fuck sake....... :no

Man up and admit you were wrong.

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:56 pm

Ok Toneyh what if I told you that numerous media outlets over the past few years have called kuyt a winger ? I don't have to say I'm wrong because i know Cole is not a winger

by **stmichael** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:58 pm

Joe Cole doesn't even see himself as a winger. He was reported as saying that playing in the middle was an attraction of him coming here.

On John Craig's point I agree. The amount of money wasted on wide players over the past few years is frightening. I rated Pennant as it happened but a bit like Babel he had serious problems with his application. Gonzalez was the next big thin but flopped. The list goes on and on.

Personally I'd give Maxi a run because he's got good football intelligence and can see pass. It's vital that the side start moving off the ball again though. It doesn't matter who you play in the wide areas if the rest of the team is static. Watch the Pompey game at home again last season. Our midfield was Babel, Gerrard, Aquilani and Maxi. We looked like world beaters with some of the football we played that day beacuse our movement off the ball was terrific.

by **bigmick** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:45 pm

stmichael wrote:Joe Cole doesn't even see himself as a winger.

Personally Mick I don't give a feck what Joe Cole sees himself as. If he's going to play in the hole, he has to score plenty of goals and make plenty of goals. If he doesn't, then we will either play Gerrard in there who will, or we will play 4-4-2.

The way around it (if he doesn't score or make enough goals) is for Coloe to play on the left, in either a 4-4-2 or a 4-5-1.

by **mart** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 5:29 pm

bigmick wrote:
stmichael wrote:Joe Cole doesn't even see himself as a winger.

Personally Mick I don't give a feck what Joe Cole sees himself as. If he's going to play in the hole, he has to score plenty of goals and make plenty of goals. If he doesn't, then we will either play Gerrard in there who will, or we will play 4-4-2.

The way around it (if he doesn't score or make enough goals) is for Coloe to play on the left, in either a 4-4-2 or a 4-5-1.

This sounds like the next round of the Gerrard in cm debate.

Cole should be pushed out wide to make room for Gerrard in the hole behind Torres where he plays best.

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