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by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Sat Aug 28, 2010 7:18 pm

metalhead wrote:Sorry mate, I don't think Roy has done any wrong here.

I wouldn't have brought it up myself either mate ... only it was in direct response to posters claiming Rafa threw his toys out of the pram on every occasion ,and was less than dignified when delivering his retorts to the media .... In point of fact I found it heartening the way Rafa gave the press very little in the terms of an angry retort ..
One of his many plus points which far outweighed the supposedly bad ...... In my opinion that is

by **bigmick** » Sat Aug 28, 2010 7:19 pm

I don't think Hodgson did anything wrong either. I think Masherano is a sheister and a charlatan, I said as much a few weeks back, and we are well shut of him. Barcelona aren't much better either, and their cloak as some sort of panacea club who is what everyone else should aspire to has slipped very much in the whole affair. Similarly, Inter Milans carry on and Rafa's "I'm just the coach I don't make offers for players" retorts did him no favours either.

Roy handled it well IMHO, and was very reserved in his criticism of the player.

by **Igor Zidane** » Sat Aug 28, 2010 7:29 pm

bigmick wrote:I don't think Hodgson did anything wrong either. I think Masherano is a sheister and a charlatan, I said as much a few weeks back, and we are well shut of him. Barcelona aren't much better either, and their cloak as some sort of panacea club who is what everyone else should aspire to has slipped very much in the whole affair. Similarly, Inter Milans carry on and Rafa's "I'm just the coach I don't make offers for players" retorts did him no favours either.

Roy handled it well IMHO, and was very reserved in his criticism of the player.

MICK you cained the previous manager and the way he dealt with riera. I believe what roy said was correct , it's just that the previous manager got slaughtered by you and others for doing more or less the same thing in the past. Twas another stick to beat him with.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Sat Aug 28, 2010 9:40 pm

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:
bigmick wrote:What a strange thread. Why do some people assume that nobody realises the fact that either the owners are a pair of c...s or the fact that we are skint? We know. I think everyone knows.

As I remember, that was one of the chief reasons for appointing the manager which we did when we did. We realised and admitted the fact that we didn't have any money, so we sensibly appointed somebody who has a history of being relatively successful without needing mountains of it. Equally, we realised there was going to be much shenanighans behind the scenes so we appointed a manager who doesn't throw his toys out of the pram and make a mountain out of a molehill every five minutes.

So far, despite having to deal with all manner of nonsense, I think we've made the right choice and he continues to impress.

When did Rafa ever throw his toys out of the pram ....

Rafa 1

Rafa 2

Rafa 3

take your pick RBG. if you wish to criticize Roy with regards to Mash, for stating a fact which everyone more or less agreed with, its only fair that you agree the videos above did display poor attitude from Rafa too.

by **bunglemark2** » Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:38 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:
bigmick wrote:I don't think Hodgson did anything wrong either. I think Masherano is a sheister and a charlatan, I said as much a few weeks back, and we are well shut of him. Barcelona aren't much better either, and their cloak as some sort of panacea club who is what everyone else should aspire to has slipped very much in the whole affair. Similarly, Inter Milans carry on and Rafa's "I'm just the coach I don't make offers for players" retorts did him no favours either.

Roy handled it well IMHO, and was very reserved in his criticism of the player.

MICK you cained the previous manager and the way he dealt with riera. I believe what roy said was correct , it's just that the previous manager got slaughtered by you and others for doing more or less the same thing in the past. Twas another stick to beat him with.

Thing is, Riera acted like a total ku.nt as well. Same a Masch did.
So I don't blame either manager for having a pop at them in public and/or private....

by **In and Out** » Sun Aug 29, 2010 1:05 am

bunglemark2 wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
bigmick wrote:I don't think Hodgson did anything wrong either. I think Masherano is a sheister and a charlatan, I said as much a few weeks back, and we are well shut of him. Barcelona aren't much better either, and their cloak as some sort of panacea club who is what everyone else should aspire to has slipped very much in the whole affair. Similarly, Inter Milans carry on and Rafa's "I'm just the coach I don't make offers for players" retorts did him no favours either.

Roy handled it well IMHO, and was very reserved in his criticism of the player.

MICK you cained the previous manager and the way he dealt with riera. I believe what roy said was correct , it's just that the previous manager got slaughtered by you and others for doing more or less the same thing in the past. Twas another stick to beat him with.

Thing is, Riera acted like a total ku.nt as well. Same a Masch did.
So I don't blame either manager for having a pop at them in public and/or private....

Agreed Bungle.

by **jimmy brighton** » Sun Aug 29, 2010 1:46 am

In my mind, Roy is doing a great job of building the squad back into a top 4 outfit. He wanted to keep Masch, no doubt , but obviously knew his intentions were else where. With Meireles, he's bought solid cover, and I feel there might be a couple of more surprises before Tuesday. The beauty of all this is we are not expected to be challenging for the title at the mo (we were favourites before the beginning of last season) and this may play into our hands quite effectively. If, at any stage, Chelski and the gooners and the scum come unstuck just a tad along the way, we may just go a lot further than anyone thinks

by **Bad Bob** » Sun Aug 29, 2010 1:53 am

jimmy brighton wrote:I feel there might be a couple of more surprises before Tuesday.

Feck me, if this Inler rumour comes true as sharpish as the Portugueser one did I'll definitely be expecting a surprise a night between now and the transfer deadline. Roy's clearly got a few tricks up his sleeve. :buttrock

by **In and Out** » Sun Aug 29, 2010 1:57 am

Bad Bob wrote:
jimmy brighton wrote:I feel there might be a couple of more surprises before Tuesday.

Feck me, if this Inler rumour comes true as sharpish as the Portugueser one did I'll definitely be expecting a surprise a night between now and the transfer deadline. Roy's clearly got a few tricks up his sleeve.

I don't know much about Inler TBH but to me there seems to be a vast difference in the way Roy ties up our signings. One thing which was painful to watch before.

He's working his way around the transfer market quite well I think and he isn't giving much away. I just hope he can get the team playing some decent footie and string a few wins together then all will be well (on the football front).

by **maguskwt** » Sun Aug 29, 2010 2:17 am

Like Owzat have mentioned, I'm just glad that we have stopped being linked with more 30 year olds...

by **jimmy brighton** » Sun Aug 29, 2010 2:28 am

maguskwt wrote:Like Owzat have mentioned, I'm just glad that we have stopped being linked with more 30 year olds...

The thing is, he can't immediately think about next seaon and the season after. He has to make the team improve on last season and he's having to do this (on a paltry budget compared to some others) within limits. He can't build on what is(in his mind) a championship winning squad. Hence the buying of reliable and trustworthy and mature players. His immedate object is to get us into the top 4 with promise of champions league money. Then we can return to our usual expectations and build on the future

by **In and Out** » Sun Aug 29, 2010 2:30 am

jimmy brighton wrote:
maguskwt wrote:Like Owzat have mentioned, I'm just glad that we have stopped being linked with more 30 year olds...

The thing is, he can't immediately think about next seaon and the season after. He has to make the team improve on last season and he's having to do this (on a paltry budget compared to some others) within limits. He can't build on what is(in his mind) a championship winning squad. Hence the buying of reliable and trustworthy and mature players. His immedate object is to get us into the top 4 with promise of champions league money. Then we can return to our usual expectations and build on the future

That's a good point mate, he has to do it for the here and now.

by **maguskwt** » Sun Aug 29, 2010 2:34 am

bigmick wrote:I'm confident that whatever happens, Roy will improve upon the shambles which he inherited.

Feck me BM, he inherited shambles didn't he?

Albert Riera = 5 million pounds
Yossi Benayoun = 5.5 million pounds
Aquilani = 13 million pounds (future)
Mascherano = 20 million pounds rising to 24-25 (that's what they seem to be saying now from the initial 16-6)
Cavelieri = 2-3 million pounds (?)
Kriztian Nemeth = 1 million pounds

what is that? about 46 million pounds of value... the first 4 in the list can form a formidable midfield lineup for ANY team.
did Rafa inherit such a value? I don't think so...

For what it's worth, he inherited a very good squad missing only a few puzzle pieces, a striker and a fullback. If he had managed to keep Riera, Yossi, Aquilani and Masch, the latter's case it's difficult i know, he didn't even need to rebuild that much. That is of course without considering the asset stripping by the owners and how mascherano is being such a :censored:

. What I'm saying is Roy has a difficult job on his hand and he's doing a decent job at it. But to lay the blame on Rafa is completely wrong. Because like it or not Rafa built a decent squad with a high value as well as promising youngsters.

by **In and Out** » Sun Aug 29, 2010 3:03 am

For what it's worth, he inherited a very good squad missing only a few puzzle pieces, a striker and a fullback. If he had managed to keep Riera, Yossi, Aquilani and Masch, the latter's case it's difficult i know, he didn't even need to rebuild that much. That is of course without considering the asset stripping by the owners and how mascherano is being such a . What I'm saying is Roy has a difficult job on his hand and he's doing a decent job at it. But to lay the blame on Rafa is completely wrong. Because like it or not Rafa built a decent squad with a high value as well as promising youngsters.

By and large Roy has inherited a decent enough squad yet the glaringly obvious needs to be attended too, N'gog, Lucas, Insua (fb last season) are players in our first eleven

Add to that Kuyt's style isn't complemented hardly by anyone and makes him look awful at times and it seems the side he inherited does need some work on. Then when the side slump to seventh in the league after a shambolic season Roy has to pick up the pieces in terms of morale, confidence, different approach etc.

So he still has his fair share of work to do to enable HIS squad/team to come good, however after looking at the many comments in the Citeh thread it's apparent Roy won't be afforded the same patients Rafa was afforded. Which really is a sad state of affairs considering we're the best supporters in the world.

Note: The squad itself wasn't a shambles per se, some dead wood needs to be casted off and morale picked up. Otherwise if this wasn't the case Rafa would still be here *phew*

by **Zidane** » Sun Aug 29, 2010 3:08 am

Does the Inler rumour have any truth to it?

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